The Greatest fighter under 40 fights

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 09 May 2008, 15:03

In your opinion, who was the greatest of all time, pound per pound UNDER 40 bouts?

Walker Smith Jr. · Post by **Walker Smith Jr.** » 09 May 2008, 15:35

IMO

1. Kostya Tszyu
2. Joe Frazier
3. Naseem Hamed

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 09 May 2008, 15:49

Charlie Zellenoff

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 09 May 2008, 15:57

Of course Sugar Ray Leonard is number 1

Joe Frazier
Ingemar Johansson
Michael Spinks
Donald Curry
Aaron Pryor
Kosta Tszyu
Jeff Fenesh
Vicente Saldivar
Jung Koo Chang

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 09 May 2008, 16:00

Jeffries

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 09 May 2008, 17:14

Jim Corbett

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 10 May 2008, 02:20

Borinken25 wrote:Of course Sugar Ray Leonard is number 1

Joe Frazier
Ingemar Johansson
Michael Spinks
Donald Curry
Aaron Pryor
Kosta Tszyu
Jeff Fenesh
Vicente Saldivar
Jung Koo Chang

wy ingemar johansson considered a great he won 1 world title fight and lost 2

theone · Post by **theone** » 10 May 2008, 07:45

Sung Kil Moon - well, he's an ATG to me at least.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 10 May 2008, 13:02

Leonard, Frazier, Jefferies and M Spinks are the clear top dogs

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 10 May 2008, 14:23

p4p1 wrote:
Borinken25 wrote:Of course Sugar Ray Leonard is number 1

Joe Frazier
Ingemar Johansson
Michael Spinks
Donald Curry
Aaron Pryor
Kosta Tszyu
Jeff Fenesh
Vicente Saldivar
Jung Koo Chang
wy ingemar johansson considered a great he won 1 world title fight and lost 2

He's considered pretty darn great if you're Swedish.

Johansson v. Machen:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qO0_XQFiGj4

Johansson v. Patterson I:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8swPjsJ4rN0

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 10 May 2008, 19:52

Johannson was great for two fights--Machen and Patterson I.

He was in great shape for the first Patterson fight, fast on his feet.

Never again.

He may have won the third Patterson fight if he had been in better condition. And that fight ended with a 9 second "ten" count.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 10 May 2008, 20:13

raylawpc wrote:
He's considered pretty darn great if you're Swedish.

Johansson v. Machen:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qO0_XQFiGj4

My God, what was that referee doing?

That is by far the most inept 'refereeing' I have ever seen.

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 10 May 2008, 21:12

Collins2000 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
He's considered pretty darn great if you're Swedish.

Johansson v. Machen:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qO0_XQFiGj4

My God, what was that referee doing?

That is by far the most inept 'refereeing' I have ever seen.

Well, a close second is Tony Perez in Cooney-Norton - To quote Yogi Berra, "It was like deja vu all over again."

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 10 May 2008, 21:49

raylawpc wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
He's considered pretty darn great if you're Swedish.

Johansson v. Machen:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qO0_XQFiGj4

My God, what was that referee doing?

That is by far the most inept 'refereeing' I have ever seen.
Well, a close second is Tony Perez in Cooney-Norton - To quote Yogi Berra, "It was like deja vu all over again."

Yes, that was very bad refereeing too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fb0Qidm9Fg

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 10 May 2008, 21:59

I wonder if there was any manner of inquiry into the ref's performance in Johansson-Machen. It was disgusting.

Elton John · Post by **Elton John** » 11 May 2008, 09:35

Jim Jeffries

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 11 May 2008, 13:54

I agree, Michael Spinks and Joe Frazier up there as the main ones.

giacomino · Post by **giacomino** » 11 May 2008, 15:52

Besides Spinks, Fenech, Tszyu, Pryor and Frazier, I would add:
1. Myung-Woo Yuh. Held lt. fly title off and one for seven years and made 18 defenses (38-1 record)
2. Yuri Arbachokov. Best fly in the world for four years in the mid-1990s (23-1, 16 Kos)

Curry, Saldivar and Jung Koo Chang all fought at least 40 times

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 11 May 2008, 19:33

giacomino wrote:Besides Spinks, Fenech, Tszyu, Pryor and Frazier, I would add:
1. Myung-Woo Yuh. Held lt. fly title off and one for seven years and made 18 defenses (38-1 record)
2. Yuri Arbachokov. Best fly in the world for four years in the mid-1990s (23-1, 16 Kos)

Curry, Saldivar and Jung Koo Chang all fought at least 40 times

Didn't Pryor have forty fights on the dot? That would make him ineligible.

EriqS · Post by **EriqS** » 11 May 2008, 20:28

Goodnight, Irene wrote:
giacomino wrote:Besides Spinks, Fenech, Tszyu, Pryor and Frazier, I would add:
1. Myung-Woo Yuh. Held lt. fly title off and one for seven years and made 18 defenses (38-1 record)
2. Yuri Arbachokov. Best fly in the world for four years in the mid-1990s (23-1, 16 Kos)

Curry, Saldivar and Jung Koo Chang all fought at least 40 times
Didn't Pryor have forty fights on the dot? That would make him ineligible.

So did Leonard. He was 36-3-1.

giacomino · Post by **giacomino** » 12 May 2008, 18:19

Goodnight, Irene wrote:
giacomino wrote:Besides Spinks, Fenech, Tszyu, Pryor and Frazier, I would add:
1. Myung-Woo Yuh. Held lt. fly title off and one for seven years and made 18 defenses (38-1 record)
2. Yuri Arbachokov. Best fly in the world for four years in the mid-1990s (23-1, 16 Kos)

Curry, Saldivar and Jung Koo Chang all fought at least 40 times
Didn't Pryor have forty fights on the dot? That would make him ineligible.

You're right, my bad

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 13 May 2008, 06:55

jeff fenech 3 world title and there should have been a 4th in 32 fights not bad

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 14 May 2008, 12:58

Interesting topic.

1. Michael Spinks
2. Joe Frazier
3. James J. Jeffries

Since Leonard had exactly 40 fights and so we can't count him, that is how I see it.

Spinks has to be #1. He came along at a period when the lightheavyweight division was very strong and beat the best and never lost at that weight. You can make a serious case that he is the best lightheavyweight of all time. Then to top it off, he became the first lightheavyweight to move up and win the heavyweight title.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 14 May 2008, 15:32

Gene Tunney and Ezzard Charles moved up from LH to win the HW crown, although neither were world LH champs / title holders

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 14 May 2008, 16:59

Thats true. I meant that Spinks was the first lightheavyweight champion to move up to win the heavyweight title.

Interestingly enough, several other fighters started out there career below heavyweight, didn't win the title at the lower weight class, but went on to win the heavyweight title.
(Burns, Schmeling, Patterson, Ellis to name a few.)

And of course, Fitzsimmons won the lightheavyweight title after he won the heavyweight title.

Anyway, Spinks great career really had a lot of quality wins.