Fights that were stopped way too soon

[The Irish Assassin]

the funny thing is when i was pounding him i said welcome to professenel boxing bitch

That is awesome, maybe next time he will think twice before acting like a punk.

[abosworth]

the funny thing is when i was pounding him i said welcome to professenel boxing bitch

That is awesome, maybe next time he will think twice before acting like a punk.

Wishful thinking. But I think Zelenoff was a bit humbled by this beatdown.

Any plans to fight soon Thunder?

[Musashi]

Oh year the shot wasn't hard and Byrd was fine...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xogW6sWv ... re=related

Let's see, how long did it take Byrd to get up? About 3 seconds. Yeah you just made yourself look ridiculous.

How fast did Judah get up?

Getting up is a reaction, very instinctual. If Byrd was with it, he stays down until 6 or 7 and gets a rest on the canvas.

Byrd was torqued by Ibeabuchi.

What needs to be remembered is that a referee has very little time in there. He can't wait around hoping a guy will catch his bearings. He needs to get a doctor in there to check them out. He's got the closest look in the guys eyes and behavior. It's easy to question a lot of these stoppages but up close you gotta know we're not seeing something. I've seen some strange eyes sitting ringside myself.

[Musashi]

the funny thing is when i was pounding him i said welcome to professenel boxing bitch

That is awesome, maybe next time he will think twice before acting like a punk.

Wishful thinking. But I think Zelenoff was a bit humbled by this beatdown.

Any plans to fight soon Thunder?

I'm not sure that he was really humbled. Maybe deep down but it's not really showing. He's ready to turn that 0-1 record into 5-1 already.

[kid_thunder]

im suppose to fight burks june 14th in oklahoma you know what you got heart meant that it dose take alot heart to step into a ring bleave or not he didnt stand there and let me beat on him hell he did get once but he couldnt handle that i took his right hand away that was what charlie wanted to use sooo bad

[Raff The Frenchman]

Thank you. A lot of these guys simply don't know much about boxing. shot wasn't even that hard, just quick and fast.

Oh year the shot wasn't hard and Byrd was fine...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xogW6sWv ... re=related

Let's see, how long did it take Byrd to get up? About 3 seconds. Yeah you just made yourself look ridiculous.

Oh yeah he got up, but he was out...hence the expression in boxing : "to be out on his feet"...
so calling it a premature stoppage shows how ignorant you are...
calling it one of the top 3 premature stoppage shows it even more...

[Realrobroy]

Charles Brewer - Antwon Echols
Andy Lee - Brian Vera
Chris Byrd - Ike Ibeabuchi

Byrd was stopped too soon vs Ibeabuchi??? did you really watch the fight? Byrd was all over the place he was so wobbly his eyes were not even upright and he had saliva streaming from his mouth. the shot with which Ike caught him was so huge you could hear it loud thru TV !

I recall I heard the shot through my window ....and I am in Canada !!

[abosworth]

im suppose to fight burks june 14th in oklahoma you know what you got heart meant that it dose take alot heart to step into a ring bleave or not he didnt stand there and let me beat on him hell he did get once but he couldnt handle that i took his right hand away that was what charlie wanted to use sooo bad

You're right Thunder. It does take a lot of guts to step into the ring. I just don't get why he would quit like that. That shows a lack of heart IMO.

Keep us updated on your next fight as you keep getting more info.

[elmersalsa]

I always thought the ref jumped in too quick in the Emile Griffith/Benny Paret fight.

What fight was that? The first one or the last one? Because the last fight, the referee should have come in as soon as Griffith landed the 7th punch without Paret answering. The referee came TOO LATE in fight #3.

[raylawpc]

I hate to criticize referees, particularly when the closest I was to the action was my TV screen, but an early stoppage that always comes to mind for me is Art Hernandez' stoppage of Ali-Lyle.

[BoxBuzz]

I hate to criticize referees, particularly when the closest I was to the action was my TV screen, but an early stoppage that always comes to mind for me is Art Hernandez' stoppage of Ali-Lyle.

ray, honestly that was Lyle's fault....he was not defending. "Defend yourself at all times" I'm good with the argument that Lyle could take it, but a ref has to see you "in the game" so to speak. I just watched that again and for my way of thinking Lyle had a responsibility to show the ref he was still in the game..... but I don't think the ref could tell that. When you pull that you always run the risk of giving the ref the wrong idea.

Did he have the option of giving him a standing 8? I don't think so but if he did that would have been just as bad a call I guess.

[p4p1]

I hate to criticize referees, particularly when the closest I was to the action was my TV screen, but an early stoppage that always comes to mind for me is Art Hernandez' stoppage of Ali-Lyle.

ray, honestly that was Lyle's fault....he was not defending. "Defend yourself at all times" I'm good with the argument that Lyle could take it, but a ref has to see you "in the game" so to speak. I just watched that again and for my way of thinking Lyle had a responsibility to show the ref he was still in the game..... but I don't think the ref could tell that. When you pull that you always run the risk of giving the ref the wrong idea.

Did he have the option of giving him a standing 8? I don't think so but if he did that would have been just as bad a call I guess.

i spose gran is gonna come and say the reasonsy why ali is incopetent and lyle should have won the fight

[Goodnight, Irene]

"ray, honestly that was Lyle's fault....he was not defending. "Defend yourself at all times" I'm good with the argument that Lyle could take it, but a ref has to see you "in the game" so to speak. I just watched that again and for my way of thinking Lyle had a responsibility to show the ref he was still in the game..... but I don't think the ref could tell that. When you pull that you always run the risk of giving the ref the wrong idea.

Did he have the option of giving him a standing 8? I don't think so but if he did that would have been just as bad a call I guess." - Buzz

Even some of Ali's staunchest supporters on this board, including those who argue the stoppage was just, have in fact admitted if the situations were reversed, the ref would not have stopped the bout. We all know why.

[p4p1]

"ray, honestly that was Lyle's fault....he was not defending. "Defend yourself at all times" I'm good with the argument that Lyle could take it, but a ref has to see you "in the game" so to speak. I just watched that again and for my way of thinking Lyle had a responsibility to show the ref he was still in the game..... but I don't think the ref could tell that. When you pull that you always run the risk of giving the ref the wrong idea.

Did he have the option of giving him a standing 8? I don't think so but if he did that would have been just as bad a call I guess." - Buzz

Even some of Ali's staunchest supporters on this board, including those who argue the stoppage was just, have in fact admitted if the situations were reversed, the ref would not have stopped the bout. We all know why.

but it can not be a knock against ali

[Goodnight, Irene]

Not directly, no. However, it can impact on his reign (see dubious decisions, for example). You can't say, "Well, this is Ali's fault," because, simply, it isn't. However, it's not Fighter A's fault if he beats Fighter B who was once great, but was washed-up when Fighter A defeated him. Doesn't mean it doesn't take away from him, though, & if you think that's unfair to Ali, it's still a better deal than Lyle & co. got.

[p4p1]

Not directly, no. However, it can impact on his reign (see dubious decisions, for example). You can't say, "Well, this is Ali's fault," because, simply, it isn't. However, it's not Fighter A's fault if he beats Fighter B who was once great, but was washed-up when Fighter A defeated him. Doesn't mean it doesn't take away from him, though, & if you think that's unfair to Ali, it's still a better deal than Lyle & co. got.

yes i would agree with that

[raylawpc]

I hate to criticize referees, particularly when the closest I was to the action was my TV screen, but an early stoppage that always comes to mind for me is Art Hernandez' stoppage of Ali-Lyle.

ray, honestly that was Lyle's fault....he was not defending. "Defend yourself at all times" I'm good with the argument that Lyle could take it, but a ref has to see you "in the game" so to speak. I just watched that again and for my way of thinking Lyle had a responsibility to show the ref he was still in the game..... but I don't think the ref could tell that. When you pull that you always run the risk of giving the ref the wrong idea.

Did he have the option of giving him a standing 8? I don't think so but if he did that would have been just as bad a call I guess.

Well, again, I saw it on my TV, and referee Ferd Hernandez (it was Ferd, not Art - oops!) had the advantage of being in the ring with the fighters. But from my vantage point sitting in front of my TV set, I think Ferd stopped it too soon.

I don't think they have a standing eight-count in Nevada.

[Robinson]

Charles Brewer - Antwon Echols
Andy Lee - Brian Vera
Chris Byrd - Ike Ibeabuchi

Byrd was stopped too soon vs Ibeabuchi??? did you really watch the fight? Byrd was all over the place he was so wobbly his eyes were not even upright and he had saliva streaming from his mouth. the shot with which Ike caught him was so huge you could hear it loud thru TV !

I don't have a huge problem with that stoppage as Byrd was taking some big shots but you are greatly exageratting. The saliva doesn't really mean anything any hit to the mouth can make you spit out a little, and he wasn't wobbly at all when the ref stopped it.

Larry Merchant's commentary was sickening . . .his clear hatred of Byrd was so unprofessional it made me want to puke. He was similarly disgusting during the Oscar fight for decrying Forbes for his "lack of offense" despite his very high punch output. For a guy who's never been in the ring in his life, he often asks for bloodbaths to keep himself entertained.

DF

I have to agree totally that fight and listening to Merchant really made me dislike the man.

Ofcourse Byrd denied he was KO'd or KD the man was rocked. What do people think happens when you suffer concussion....Your not exactly firing on every piston.

Had Merchant ever risked anything in his lifes asides from watching other men do great things he would appreciate this.

I think th Byrd stoppage was fair. Even though I would have liked Chris to have beaten Ike.

[VoiceOnTV]

God I wish I remember which fight it was now, but I remember Chavez once sorta stopping a fight himself. The ref stepped in to separate the fighters and Chavez sorta assumed the fight was over and jumped on a corner to celebrate. The ref, seemingly confused, then went ahead and waved it off. Julio was ahead, but it didn't seem like TKO time.

[Flump]

God I wish I remember which fight it was now, but I remember Chavez once sorta stopping a fight himself. The ref stepped in to separate the fighters and Chavez sorta assumed the fight was over and jumped on a corner to celebrate. The ref, seemingly confused, then went ahead and waved it off. Julio was ahead, but it didn't seem like TKO time.

That was vs Terrence Alli and Carlos Padilla was the ref. That was embarrasingly weak refereeing and Alli just stood there with a what the fu..? look on his face.

[VoiceOnTV]

God I wish I remember which fight it was now, but I remember Chavez once sorta stopping a fight himself. The ref stepped in to separate the fighters and Chavez sorta assumed the fight was over and jumped on a corner to celebrate. The ref, seemingly confused, then went ahead and waved it off. Julio was ahead, but it didn't seem like TKO time.

That was vs Terrence Alli and Carlos Padilla was the ref. That was embarrasingly weak refereeing and Alli just stood there with a what the fu..? look on his face.

Thanks for reminding me! I think it's the only time I've seen a fighter know the fight was over before the ref did. I do remember seeing Larry Holmes beggin a ref to stop a fight (might've been Frazer's kid but again I don't remember too well). I never (until that night) saw a ref stop a fight because somebody was celebrating. Terrence wasn't going to win, but was hardly in trouble and deserved the chance to at least finish.

[Flump]

God I wish I remember which fight it was now, but I remember Chavez once sorta stopping a fight himself. The ref stepped in to separate the fighters and Chavez sorta assumed the fight was over and jumped on a corner to celebrate. The ref, seemingly confused, then went ahead and waved it off. Julio was ahead, but it didn't seem like TKO time.

That was vs Terrence Alli and Carlos Padilla was the ref. That was embarrasingly weak refereeing and Alli just stood there with a what the fu..? look on his face.

Thanks for reminding me! I think it's the only time I've seen a fighter know the fight was over before the ref did. I do remember seeing Larry Holmes beggin a ref to stop a fight (might've been Frazer's kid but again I don't remember too well). I never (until that night) saw a ref stop a fight because somebody was celebrating. Terrence wasn't going to win, but was hardly in trouble and deserved the chance to at least finish.

Incredible wasn't it, Padilla rightly started disappearing from major fights after that. At that stage of his career Chavez was trying to referee his own fights, with Padilla he could do so.

[Flump]

It's been discussed many times before, but Joey Curtis' (Gilberto Mendoza/Don King's)stoppage of Mike Weaver against Michael Dokes was a notable one.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

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Antonio Cervantes vs Carlos Gimenez II


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[granberry]

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