Excuse my ignorance, but what was Archie's out-of-the-ring lifestyle?dagosd2000 wrote:RickRick Farris wrote:In the 60's, if you fought on the amateur portion of Thursday night's "Boxing from the Olympic", the winner would receive a lawn edger, or a sweater from Richard's Clothes For Men, on Spring St. downtown L.A.
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You're so right about that. I remember Archie Moore was always getting approached by someone for a favor. When he fought Durelle the first time he had"Diamond Imports" written on the back of his robe. One time Murray Goodrich,who owned an Army surplus store(remember them?)gave Moore a robe that said"Goodrich On Main" on the back of it. I asked Archie what did he get for that. He told me he got a "pup" tent.
Funny,I don't remember Archie being much for going camping in the woods.
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Paul was lucky he was wearing a headguard against a Korean in the Olympics. The Korean really hurt him but Gonzalez's headguard came loose and he got a timeout while it was secured, and came back to win.kikibalt wrote:dagosd2000 wrote:I don't know how you guys feel,but I like the "cut" of the jacket that way. Like the ones the two Gonzalezes and LaBell are wearing. I think it contours the body better. Today I see these athletes with these suits that have the lapels choking their necks. The heavy guys that wear these kinds of suits look like some of my wife's tamales on Christmas Eve.kikibalt wrote:
Rodolfo "El Gato" Gonzalez. Gene LeBell & Paul Gonzalez March 13, 2008
diego,
Remember when suits were "cut" like this?
Only in modern amateur boxing.
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Benniebennie wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but what was Archie's out-of-the-ring lifestyle?dagosd2000 wrote:RickRick Farris wrote:In the 60's, if you fought on the amateur portion of Thursday night's "Boxing from the Olympic", the winner would receive a lawn edger, or a sweater from Richard's Clothes For Men, on Spring St. downtown L.A.
-Rick Farris
You're so right about that. I remember Archie Moore was always getting approached by someone for a favor. When he fought Durelle the first time he had"Diamond Imports" written on the back of his robe. One time Murray Goodrich,who owned an Army surplus store(remember them?)gave Moore a robe that said"Goodrich On Main" on the back of it. I asked Archie what did he get for that. He told me he got a "pup" tent.
Funny,I don't remember Archie being much for going camping in the woods.
He was a very serious guy who lived by principles that he didn't budge on. It wasn't like he would put you down if you didn't adhere to his beliefs. He just wouldn't have much to do with you. I am kind of a "joker",but around him I didn't like to kid around too much. He was always philosophizing,but he didn't preach.
He loved jazz,and at one time wanted to take it up. He hung around musicians. He loved to cook. Had a fried chicken restaurant here in San Diego(before my time). He liked the ladies and they liked him,but I think his last marraige to Joan kept him on the straight and narrow.
Respected in the community. Everyone wanted to be around him who was of importance,yet he never sought out anyone with an ulterior motive. Was not political. Was on a higher plane than politics. When blacks became more militant,he never went with them. Never spoke against them however. The militants respected him and left him alone. I kind of thought that Archie Moore liked to be alone except for being with his wife and children.
Sounds like a genuine guy. Thanks, Dagos.dagosd2000 wrote:Benniebennie wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but what was Archie's out-of-the-ring lifestyle?dagosd2000 wrote: Rick
You're so right about that. I remember Archie Moore was always getting approached by someone for a favor. When he fought Durelle the first time he had"Diamond Imports" written on the back of his robe. One time Murray Goodrich,who owned an Army surplus store(remember them?)gave Moore a robe that said"Goodrich On Main" on the back of it. I asked Archie what did he get for that. He told me he got a "pup" tent.
Funny,I don't remember Archie being much for going camping in the woods.
He was a very serious guy who lived by principles that he didn't budge on. It wasn't like he would put you down if you didn't adhere to his beliefs. He just wouldn't have much to do with you. I am kind of a "joker",but around him I didn't like to kid around too much. He was always philosophizing,but he didn't preach.
He loved jazz,and at one time wanted to take it up. He hung around musicians. He loved to cook. Had a fried chicken restaurant here in San Diego(before my time). He liked the ladies and they liked him,but I think his last marraige to Joan kept him on the straight and narrow.
Respected in the community. Everyone wanted to be around him who was of importance,yet he never sought out anyone with an ulterior motive. Was not political. Was on a higher plane than politics. When blacks became more militant,he never went with them. Never spoke against them however. The militants respected him and left him alone. I kind of thought that Archie Moore liked to be alone except for being with his wife and children.
Paul Gonzales had a style that was only good for amateur boxing, it just didn't cut it in the pro's.bennie wrote:Paul was lucky he was wearing a headguard against a Korean in the Olympics. The Korean really hurt him but Gonzalez's headguard came loose and he got a timeout while it was secured, and came back to win.
Only in modern amateur boxing.
Paul beat Britain's John Lyon early in the Games - one of our greatest ever amateurs. He also came back brilliantly after that 'scare' against the Korean, who picked up the gold four years later in Korea. Paul's name was on the cup (or the medal), as we say over here. Paul didn't have to box in the final. His fellow finalist, an Italian, had busted his thumb and failed the medical.kikibalt wrote:Paul Gonzales had a style that was only good for amateur boxing, it just didn't cut it in the pro's.bennie wrote:Paul was lucky he was wearing a headguard against a Korean in the Olympics. The Korean really hurt him but Gonzalez's headguard came loose and he got a timeout while it was secured, and came back to win.
Only in modern amateur boxing.
Hi Bennie. Sorry for not getting back sooner. I asked my dad about Tiger and he never actually met him, he just knew he worked there. I say worked there my dad said he heard that English Electric were interested in Tiger's career and gave him a job, that he actually didn't do much work, all heresay of course. When he left English Electric my dad took some old pictures with him and he believes Tiger was on one of the pictures but annoyingly he gave the pictures away!!bennie wrote:It's remarkable that two legendary-to-be African fighters slogged away in a Liverpool factory - for English Electric, to boot. My neighbour works for them right now. My brother also worked for them. Such a small world. Tiger was probably back at work the morning after he floored, busted up and stopped Terry Downes in London. Remarkable, absolutely remarkable.Boxingnut wrote:I will ask my dad how well he remembers them and get back to you Bennie. My dad is not a boxing fan so he may not remember. I know in the past he has said Tiger was said to be a "quiet guy". Both boxers enjoyed a kind of "celebrity" status within the factory, which was called English Electric by the way. Tiger worked in the paint shop, not sure all those fumes would have been good for him. I worked at the factory for a few years myself in the 1980's and one of the security guards who loved his boxing remembered Bassey as "quite a cheerful chap". I will ask my dad if he remembers them though.bennie wrote: Did your dad know him well (and Hogan)? If so, tell us more. I've always had a soft spot for Tiger, given his British connection and his premature death in 1970 from cancer - just two years after the Foster knockout. A terrible early death.
Mac Foster was 24-0 with 24 kos going into his fight with Jerry.Expug wrote:Check out the goatee Jerry is sporting.kikibalt wrote:
Jerry Quarry and Mac Foster
Guys are wearing that look again now.
My wife bought my daughter some new clothes the other day and it was amazing how the styles from this era have come back in style.
Jerry kod him in six.
It was the only stoppage loss of Fosters career.
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That was a big moment for Jerry. Foster had gone through everyone,but he hadn't fought a guy with Jerry's heart. Foster had knocked Liston out in a sparring session. Mac was on the cover of Ring Magazine. They were talking like he was gonna' be the next champ. But Jerry did well against these big bombers. He stood in there with Shavers when he was told to be carefull. Jerry was never carefull. If you couldn't hang with him,he'd beat you. That's what he did with Foster. He took his heart.Expug wrote:Mac Foster was 24-0 with 24 kos going into his fight with Jerry.Expug wrote:Check out the goatee Jerry is sporting.kikibalt wrote:
Jerry Quarry and Mac Foster
Guys are wearing that look again now.
My wife bought my daughter some new clothes the other day and it was amazing how the styles from this era have come back in style.
Jerry kod him in six.
It was the only stoppage loss of Fosters career.
Frazier was different. Frazier had the kind of heart Jerry had. Jerry would cut,didn't have as much power,and then Jerry would wind down. There was something psychological about Frazier's approach to Quarry. After Joe stopped Jerry the second time,Don Dunphy asked Joe if he was worried about fighting Quarry. Joe responded. "No. I knew it would be the same old Quarry."
Don Dunphy should have asked Frazier what he meant by that,but he didn't. That kind of remark by Frazier deserved an explanation. If there's any writer around Joe today,how about asking him for that explanation.
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Frankkikibalt wrote:
Archie Moore vs Carl "Bobo" Olson
I'm glad you put up that picture. I guess some guys get through it better than others. You look at all of Moore's fights, and It amazed me that he wound up extremely coherant and quite a thinker. We can name the fights:Charles stopped him twice,Burley had him down 4 times,Marciano punished him,Durelle I,Harold Johnson,Patterson. And the guy kept doing this until he was 50.(born 1913). The guy had a mind that was always goin'.
Also one thing I wanted to respond to. I'm not a Larry Merchant fan. I think he's arrogant and smug,but the one time I saw a human side to him was during a telecast(I forget the fight). Merchant was reminiscing about Archie Moore shortly after his death. Merchant said that Moore would correspond with him on various topics from boxing to any social condition that was relevant. Merchant started talking on and got away from the fight. He was getting emotional about Moore saying what a sincere and good man he was. I'm not sure,but I thought Merchant's voice was cracking. I couldn't see him on the TV screen, so it was hard to tell. But when I think of how unpretentious Moore was giving his heart and soul to those kids at his boy's club,Larry probably was getting in touch with himself. Leave it to the 'Ol Mongoose to do that to a guy.
I saw his last fight with Mike Dibiase a wrestler that had made some noise about boxing at a match that I think Archie was refereeing.....I honestly think Mike was serious and thought he was young enough and strong enough to defeat Archie in his old age. It was a bit of a circus in it's promotion....but that's where the circus ended. Archie went out like he came in......dead serious, giving it his best and he beat Ted all around that Phoenix ring, made him look like a foolish kid. I don't think Mike had any idea that Archie's pride was not going to allow him to make a mockery of his sport. It went about three rounds and Mike was a bloody mess when it was stopped. Mike had no real defense for what the old mongoose brought that night.
It was all one sided and you could see that Archie was strictly business and Mike was in shock.
Anyone else see this?
It was all one sided and you could see that Archie was strictly business and Mike was in shock.
Anyone else see this?
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Thanks for the info BuzzBoxBuzz wrote:I saw his last fight with Mike Dibiase a wrestler that had made some noise about boxing at a match that I think Archie was refereeing.....I honestly think Mike was serious and thought he was young enough and strong enough to defeat Archie in his old age. It was a bit of a circus in it's promotion....but that's where the circus ended. Archie went out like he came in......dead serious, giving it his best and he beat Ted all around that Phoenix ring, made him look like a foolish kid. I don't think Mike had any idea that Archie's pride was not going to allow him to make a mockery of his sport. It went about three rounds and Mike was a bloody mess when it was stopped. Mike had no real defense for what the old mongoose brought that night.
It was all one sided and you could see that Archie was strictly business and Mike was in shock.
Anyone else see this?
Never knew the particulars on that.
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kikibalt wrote:Buzz,BoxBuzz wrote:httpbennie wrote: I bet she was.
Another shot of Edy Williams........how do you get that lucky?
Anyway I had to figure out a way to chime in without disrupting the flow too much.....at 61,000 views and counting you need some of this beatiful jewelry mixed in to make up for all the ugly mugs.
Hey I mean that in a good way.....don't take it too personal.
We know you don't mean anything personal, btw, great shot of Williams.
I QUIT
I want you guys to know that I just got done reading an article on the dangers of chasing pretty women if you're over 60.
Well that did it. I'm convinced now. I quit. NO MORE READING FOR ME.
You made the right choice, reading is not all it's cracked up to be....dagosd2000 wrote:kikibalt wrote:Buzz,BoxBuzz wrote: http
Another shot of Edy Williams........how do you get that lucky?
Anyway I had to figure out a way to chime in without disrupting the flow too much.....at 61,000 views and counting you need some of this beatiful jewelry mixed in to make up for all the ugly mugs.
Hey I mean that in a good way.....don't take it too personal.
We know you don't mean anything personal, btw, great shot of Williams.
I QUIT
I want you guys to know that I just got done reading an article on the dangers of chasing pretty women if you're over 60.
Well that did it. I'm convinced now. I quit. NO MORE READING FOR ME.
Dagos, I think being a fellow Irishman I might know what Joe meant when he said that Jerry would be the same old Quarry.dagosd2000 wrote:That was a big moment for Jerry. Foster had gone through everyone,but he hadn't fought a guy with Jerry's heart. Foster had knocked Liston out in a sparring session. Mac was on the cover of Ring Magazine. They were talking like he was gonna' be the next champ. But Jerry did well against these big bombers. He stood in there with Shavers when he was told to be carefull. Jerry was never carefull. If you couldn't hang with him,he'd beat you. That's what he did with Foster. He took his heart.Expug wrote:Mac Foster was 24-0 with 24 kos going into his fight with Jerry.Expug wrote: Check out the goatee Jerry is sporting.
Guys are wearing that look again now.
My wife bought my daughter some new clothes the other day and it was amazing how the styles from this era have come back in style.
Jerry kod him in six.
It was the only stoppage loss of Fosters career.
Frazier was different. Frazier had the kind of heart Jerry had. Jerry would cut,didn't have as much power,and then Jerry would wind down. There was something psychological about Frazier's approach to Quarry. After Joe stopped Jerry the second time,Don Dunphy asked Joe if he was worried about fighting Quarry. Joe responded. "No. I knew it would be the same old Quarry."
Don Dunphy should have asked Frazier what he meant by that,but he didn't. That kind of remark by Frazier deserved an explanation. If there's any writer around Joe today,how about asking him for that explanation.
Lets just say we are.......set in our ways.Right or wrong, we are gonna do it OUR way.
