EUBANKS SON BEING KEPT SECRET !!

[DavidPayne]

You know you're old when you remember Michael Douglas in interesting films.

He used to be important, rather than Zeta Jones' husband.

[Wales]

All you ned to do now is get Boxingwriter up and runnign again, back to the cupboard under the stairs for you... go on.. get working

Sam, can you email the photos from Ireland you had on Facebook so I can use them? Apart from the one in which an optical illusion makes it appear that I'm looking down a woman's top!

Only if I can join you and Dave cleaning up the mean streets of weston super mare (no sheep jokes please)

I'll send them over, "Dooley in pervert sex scandal" and all.

[DavidPayne]

They may not be critically acclaimed classics but in Falling Down, Wall Street...even Basic Instinct, I thought Douglas contributed interesting work.

Coupled with the Romancing the Stone romps with DeVito and he had a good run of decent cinema going stuff.

[Wales]

For someone who doesnt drink you didnt half nail the brandy, although you did get the "beer scooter" to the airport!

[chief]

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But then when I got back in the car, with the kids still pissing around. I thought. It's not their fault. They've just been shown no respect, learned no respect and lack structure and meaning, authority, discipline or the value of things. Too involved an analysis of lads being teenage prats? Perhaps.

Its a complex puzzle.

Too libertarian to blame society, the system rather than the individual? Perhaps.

Perhaps a bit too much of analysis in this instance, phonebox vandalism dates back years and years.... However, its hard to argue with a lot of what you say.. I think there's often a tendancy for people to grow older, mature etc and to reminisce about what used to be, how much better, safer etc the world was... Our parents do/did it, so did theirs - how often do we hear about "the good ol'days" or "not in my day" - but its all relative really.. And for the babies/children born right this minute, today will probably be as good as it gets for them too...

[jamesmcdonnell]

I've seriously thought about getting some pepper spray, but it is illegal and you would probably get done for ABH or even GBH for using it.

There is apparently though some really foul smelling stuff you can buy which completely incapacitates people which is totally legal and above board, which some security bloke told me about. Makes people puke their guts up and fall on the floor.

[Loftgroov]

I just spent three days in London travelling to schools all over on a project. Morden to Barnet, Kentish Town to East Ham/Hounslow. All around.

I have to say I was shocked by just how shitty London has become in general. Queue the generalisations - but the blokes generally look shifty, downbeat and hungover, and the women look either tough and beaten up, or as if they are high class Russian hookers. There is an "I don't give a shit" vibe on the streets.

Bizarre place. I can't say I'd bring up my kids there. It's a shame because I was working with schools and spoke one-to-one to some 60 kids aged 5 years to 14 years, and they are on the whole a bright, decent funny bunch. Then you speak to the teacher and she explains Dad's an alcoholic or comes in and abuses the staff, or just frankly... doesn't give a shit.

Through no fault of their own you know that, the chances are, the nice kid you just met will be a pilled-up, lairy waster by the time he's 21. Society is flushing the next generation down the toilet and its happening big time in London.

[Matt W]

Go on you Dave! I'm of the mind that although I'm not tough I will chase down and kill people younger than me who mess about at my back wall, tell me they want to shag my girlfriend or knock on my door demanding £20 a week off me and whoever else lives there, all events that have happened over the past year.

You're all mouth Dooley - you didn't say anything when I was doing it but you get brave on here...

And great post David. We need more people that feel passionately about values and people rather than about money (which I appreciate may seem odd to those who can't reconcile that comment with the fact that my passion is watching 2 men punch each other on the head... )

[Gray-Fox]

Just an update...

Eubank's son DID enter the National Golden Gloves, and since he isn't in the final, I assume he was eliminated somewhere along the way.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I've seriously thought about getting some pepper spray, but it is illegal and you would probably get done for ABH or even GBH for using it.

There is apparently though some really foul smelling stuff you can buy which completely incapacitates people which is totally legal and above board, which some security bloke told me about. Makes people puke their guts up and fall on the floor.

Its called McDonalds

[hitman_hatton1]

I've seriously thought about getting some pepper spray, but it is illegal and you would probably get done for ABH or even GBH for using it.

There is apparently though some really foul smelling stuff you can buy which completely incapacitates people which is totally legal and above board, which some security bloke told me about. Makes people puke their guts up and fall on the floor.

Its called McDonalds

[ebeneezer]

He looks like the lead singer from Fine Young Cannibals

[BAMBI]

He looks like the lead singer from Fine Young Cannibals

"she driiives me crazy"

[boxingchat]

The name is an added bonus I grant you. But the kid can really fight and is dedicated to lerning his trade in the amateurs rather than cash in so that speaks volumes.

He could be in the UK copping easy money for east matchs as a pro but he wants to win something first. I say, get off his case and let him do his thing and see what comes of it.

The name will help undoubtedly, but only for maybe ten fights then he will have to stand on his own two feet and make his own mark. Mark Tibbs, Stephen Foster and Ross Minter to name but a few, all had to fight when the time came. Remember, having a 'name' also motivates your opponents too so it's not all easy street.

[Deserter]

He could be in the UK copping easy money for east matchs as a pro.

Err... I can't help but wonder which promoter would be happy to stage those types of matches that you seem to disapprove of as a career route?

[charlieb]

Deserter,

How dare you take the moral high ground by stating "no wonder this country is f*cked" - what a complete load of b*llocks!!!

It is you and the rest of your "do gooders" who cry at a bit of banter and then go into hypocritical mode by ridiculing those that are not as clever as you with words - and then you get on your soap box about a teenage lad who has clearly made a mistake by putting his video on youtube.

I don't know what age you f*cking lived in but even when I took a couple of beatings all those years ago I went into it knowing I was going to get hurt a whole lot less if I didn't adhere to the queensbury rules - you cry about this lad clearly making a mistake but you and your cronies bleat and bleat about it.

Instead of making a fuss about a lad kicking a bloke in the head a few times -why not make a fuss about some poor sod getting shot or knived - why not complain about pensioners get mugged - or crimes far worse than that.

But no - you choose to bleat and cry about 2 lads going into a fight - with both of them knowing the consequences if they hit the deck - both of them wanting the fight - and whats more both of them wanted the bragging rights that goes with the winner.

Now please do not bleat on with a completely and utterly b*llocks statement about thats why this country is in a mess - did you live in the 70's when football violence was at its worst - did you never have a scrap at school or did you never get your fists out ever - I f*cking did because I had to otherwise I would have been in hosptial - it was me or him.

Attitudes have not changed - teenagers still fight - teenagers still get drunk and teenagers still fight some more the difference is the stupid c*nts use guns, knives and machetes nowadays - thats why this country is in a f*cking mess not because Chris Eubank's son defended himself and gave his son a beating with his fists, head and feet - and I stress unlike the majority of scraps nowadays where weapons are used.

Get real and live in that real world - throw out your pimms and cucumber sarnies and deal with f*cking real issues and not ridicule and spout b*llocks about a teenage lad who has made no worse mistake than many many people have on here - the difference is he is Chris Eubanks son and thats why he is getting chastised for it - f*cking double standards!!!!

Spud, I'm torn between commenting on how f**king stupid you are at times or alternatively just laughing at the sheer ridiculousness of some of your sweeping statements.
You accuse me of hypocrisy, and yet yours borders on the breath-taking. If you can't see how the 'wannabe gangsta' attitude displayed by Chris Jr is symptomatic of the increasing attitude problem with many youths then you're blind - why on earth do you think guns and knives have been more prevalent? It's because you've got teenagers who are prepared to use them in a bid to be considered 'bad boys' you muppet. It's why we've got massive problems with teachers being physically attacked, it's why we've got 'happy slapping', it's why I was watching GMTV this morning and hearing about a woman in Manchester attacked and kicked around like a football by a gang of up to 30 teenagers, it's why you've got a 'goth' girl kicked to death for looking different...
Now before you try and twist my words, I'm not suggesting he's capable of some of the acts I've just outlined, but I am saying that the attitude he displays and the language he uses glorifies the violence and plays up the whole 'bad boy' attitude, and it's the adoption of this personna by increasing numbers of youth that leads to those acts - it's the thin end of the wedge.
Do I think he's the worst offender out there? Of course not. Do I find it disgusting that he's revelling in his 'bad boy' personna and glorifying the violence? Absolutely. You have to draw the line somewhere and my personal morals mean I draw it way short of the pathetic glorification on Chris Jr's site.
Oh, and for what it's worth I've never had Pimms and cucumber sandwiches in my life mate. Again, you want to brand me as part of some mythical PC crowd, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that I think we need stronger discipline with our youth. along with measures to help them channel their energy in a positive fashion through sport etc (including boxing)? I have zero time for the PC far left-wing crowd you seek to associate me with, but clearly having 'old fashioned morals' with regards to things like stamping on people's heads is something that doesn't sit well with you.
The irony is that I would have thought your army background would have made you advocate a similar stance regarding greater discipline etc.
I still can't help but feel that if that website was that of an anonymous 16-year-old from Hackney rather than the son of a famous boxer you'd be saying that it was indicative of why we've got serious problems with a significant minority of today's youth...
And BC, I'm sorry, but I find it impossible to reconcile the bragging on display on that site with the shy, polite young man you speak of. I genuinely hope that is the reality but his site strongly suggests otherwise.

I'm torn on this, do I buy into the notion that the world is a mess and its all because of youths like this or do I actually wonder if You Tube and Facebook had been around in the sixties we'd discover Reggie Kray and Frankie Fraser has 175,461 friends and videos of their attacks were being published by wannabees with Nokia's?

The only thing I will say is, those who deplore this behaviour and yet helped create the credit culture in which we live, the materialism encouraged by Thatcher's Britian and the collapse of blue collar industry that devalued male role models, created a generation of latch-key kids with no aspiration or hope ought to take a look in the mirror. Broken families, communities and spirit from the working class inner cities, or Northern towns is the real root cause. And can be traced back to the 80's, when the "pull the ladder up Jack", "I'm alright" mantra was the sentiment that prevailed. The ripples of those years, of the decisions and paths taken in those dark times are being felt now, and its like a butterfly effect.

And we're all guilty of it now, we all sing along to the "work 55 hours a week" for a 37 hour wage, see the kids for 20 minutes, replace parenthood with materialism. Nobody else in Europe does it. Measures their quality of life by salary, hours worked and inches of television.

Playsations above human contact, holidays abroad above quality time, all the time - the pursuit of bought happiness, of have now pay later.

That ethos of have now pay later poisons everything. Its why jobs in factories are sneered at, its why working at MacDonalds is laughed at and yet poncing off the state is willingly accepted.

People want more than they're willing to work for, they wont instant, undeserved gratification. They want a tv lifestyle, they want a plasma existance. They hate the Polish and Romanians and Lithuanians for being willing to work in normal, every day jobs, collect their wages and be grateful.

Why is a plasma existance important? You can't afford it. And what does it actually add to your life. 500 channels and people still need Sky Plus, why not breath some air. Why not take your son to the park rather than play him on Fifa. Why not take your kids for a walk in the woods instead of Minorca?

And Britain cannot afford much more neglect of the trusted, working class values that this credit culture, this selfish, me, me, me approach to everything that we all gleefully accept has fed. You deny you accept it, perhaps you dont. Perhaps you deny we're engulfed by this selfishness, perhaps you thinks its because of immigration or just those thickies from the inner cities or the war in Iraq or its the tv's fault, or videogames or Big Brother or George Bush, the media or the internet or the price of oil. As long as its not you hey? Exactly, nobody will accept their role in the bigger picture.

Its a mess, a directionless, misguided lemming voyage to the abyss because nobody will accept that we've all bought into this new reality. This selfishness, this fear of contact with others, this abdication of our principle role - to nurture, educate and protect the next generation.

I dont see how society can be galvanised to re-embrace itself into one community, certainly looking for the next generation to do it seems ridiculous given the appalling example of capitalist glutony we've set and the horrific social environment we've created for them to learn from.

If a dog bites a child, its it just the dogs fault or his breeding, owners, environment, behaviour of the child, circumstance, upbringing also to blame....so yeh, call for the dog to be put down and claim the problem is solved.

It isn't. Because all the other factors that created that dog or its moment of madness remain and they're factors we all contribute to or engineer through either apathy, silence, fear or selfishness.

Didn't you know? Britain's on it's way down the shitter. No upstanding gesture or moral intervention is going to slow down the rate at which the scum reproduce in ratio to the output of the decent. We're drowning in fu*king idiots and they're multiplying like locusts.

Your post jives, but it's tears over spilt milk. We're fu*ked.

It's just tits, blaming societal/media key-jangling, but these youngsters are useless. There's no point trying to stand up to decaying morals and disenchanted hooliganism when there's nothing they're good for outside of bottom drawer, minimum wage lives.

This country needs to institute draconian measures, and fast. It's one thing to go off the rails at a point in your life, whether it be in your youth or later life, but serial bastards and consistent piss-takers need to be lobotomised and inducted into some form of manual labour in recompense for their c*ntish behaviour. It's the only solution, next to killing them.

National service could straighten a few backs, as an alternative to jail. Perhaps that should be option 1, psychosurgery, option2.

Edit: On a brighter note, ghettos produce tough fighters. Perhaps the upside to Britain's slow drift into Mad Max territory is a few more beltholders.

[stujones]

He looks like the lead singer from Fine Young Cannibals

"she driiives me crazy"

The driveth me craithy

[DavidPayne]

I've seriously thought about getting some pepper spray, but it is illegal and you would probably get done for ABH or even GBH for using it.

There is apparently though some really foul smelling stuff you can buy which completely incapacitates people which is totally legal and above board, which some security bloke told me about. Makes people puke their guts up and fall on the floor.

It's called Lynx Africa.

[E]

I've seriously thought about getting some pepper spray, but it is illegal and you would probably get done for ABH or even GBH for using it.

There is apparently though some really foul smelling stuff you can buy which completely incapacitates people which is totally legal and above board, which some security bloke told me about. Makes people puke their guts up and fall on the floor.

It's called Lynx Africa.

[ALI]

But the kid can really fight and is dedicated to lerning his trade in the amateurs rather than cash in so that speaks volumes.

You seem to know a lot about this kid. Would you be kind enough to share his amatuer record with the rest of us?

No? perhaps its bad for promotion? The biggest secret about this kid seems to be his a.record!