well I'm a Fagan supporter (although in any other fight I would be a Murray supporter) I think Fagan would mince Murray = although I have to say Murray is getting stronger and stronger I still dont think he's got even for Fagan (yet!)03mcgs0 wrote:sligobhoy67 wrote:03mcgs0 wrote:I'm sure a pro box like Fagan, a good pro that he is may i add would kill me!l!ol!!
I'm a Murray supporter (I don’t know the fella) and have followed his career from amateurs and pros and want the fella to do well. I always felt he never got the pro fights he deserved earlier in his career and feel he is making up for it now. I just feel he is technically good and against a good fighter like Fagan will show how capable he is. I would prefer the Fagan fight now for Andy and get him to starting building on his European ranking.
Oisin Fagan V Andy Murray in the pipelines
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Kinda agree with Sligobhoy there. If you're Murray, you can't go from fighting total shit, to fighting a rough and tough fighter like Fagan. I think Murray will certainly have the skills on Fagan, but then again, most boxers do. However, I think, Fagan's toughness and aggressiveness gets him through and Murray won't be able to keep him off him. This is going to be a classic!!!!! Get it going!!!!sligobhoy67 wrote:03mcgs0 wrote:sligobhoy67 wrote: well I'm a Fagan supporter (although in any other fight I would be a Murray supporter) I think Fagan would mince Murray = although I have to say Murray is getting stronger and stronger I still dont think he's got even for Fagan (yet!)
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthre ... st55902220
Fagan is fighting some guy in the states in July occuring to this......
Fagan is fighting some guy in the states in July occuring to this......
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I posted that - however his toothless redneck of a manager doesnt seem to think its true.03mcgs0 wrote:http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthre ... st55902220
Fagan is fighting some guy in the states in July occuring to this......
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How do you explain Murray having won every round to that point then???Fagan will not stop comming forward (much the same as Gorman) and although Murray won the fight against Gorman (RSF cuts / odd Irish Board rules) he did not seem comfortable with the come forward style of Gorman. Murray doesn't box best on his back foot and this will cause him problems against Fagan or Gorman.
Whatever about Fagan, I don't think there is any question that Murray is a class above Gorma at this stage
Murray won 3 rnds, ad i agree with the ref he did win those rounds, though the 3rd was closer, and ignoring the cut issue was still Murrays. gorman is a slow starter always has been. Personally I felt theat towards the end of the 3rd Murray was starting to wear down a little due to Gorman's constant assult. I reckon if the fight had continued (even less the cut) gormans constant pressure would have worn Andy down buy the 7th-8th rounds allowing Gorman a brilliant KO chance. this was also Gorman's game plan pre-fight.ApolloCreed wrote:How do you explain Murray having won every round to that point then???Fagan will not stop comming forward (much the same as Gorman) and although Murray won the fight against Gorman (RSF cuts / odd Irish Board rules) he did not seem comfortable with the come forward style of Gorman. Murray doesn't box best on his back foot and this will cause him problems against Fagan or Gorman.
Whatever about Fagan, I don't think there is any question that Murray is a class above Gorma at this stage
As for Murray being a class above gorman it doesnt look like we'll get the rematch to ever find out. If you can get your hands aon a copy of the Gorman v Walsh Welter weight title fight in cork. Gorman lost by 1 point and was the traveling fighter, there will hopefully be a rematch again in Dublin for the Welterweight title (if the money is right)
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I heard that figth in Cork was an absolute cracker alright.
Personally, I have no doubt that Murray would have stopped James in the Kings Hall, jesus he was picking him off at will and won the first three rounds handy.
I appreciate Gorman is a slow starter but he would have had to up the ante by 100 per cent to win that one. He comes to fioght, has great support and is in great nick, but I suspect Jamesie is more of a journeyman who lacks the class to step up. Time will tell.
You also have to remember that Murray was giving away serious weight, i think the weigh in for that one was 48 hours before hand. Murray is a lightweight, he'll be giving serious weight to Fagan too and I think he'd be better campaigning at the lower weight.
Reesy, your talk of a Khan fight (while crazy talk) a while back doesn't look that emntal in light of the Gomez match up. I would certainly take Murray over Gomez at this stage, not to mention the "champ" McDonagh.
Personally, I have no doubt that Murray would have stopped James in the Kings Hall, jesus he was picking him off at will and won the first three rounds handy.
I appreciate Gorman is a slow starter but he would have had to up the ante by 100 per cent to win that one. He comes to fioght, has great support and is in great nick, but I suspect Jamesie is more of a journeyman who lacks the class to step up. Time will tell.
You also have to remember that Murray was giving away serious weight, i think the weigh in for that one was 48 hours before hand. Murray is a lightweight, he'll be giving serious weight to Fagan too and I think he'd be better campaigning at the lower weight.
Reesy, your talk of a Khan fight (while crazy talk) a while back doesn't look that emntal in light of the Gomez match up. I would certainly take Murray over Gomez at this stage, not to mention the "champ" McDonagh.
Thats a good point Apollo, I too would rather see Khan in with Murray rather than Gomez, atleast Andy won't walk off mid fight. THough i don't think Andy would have Khan yet needs time at the weight, and yes the Dec bout was a 36hr weigh in.
If your interested Apollo theres a nice wee small hall show comming up at the end of May, 30th will be a night of Ama boxing and 31st will be a Pro show featuring, Scott Belshaw, Eddie and Patrick Hyland, Luke Wilton, Willie Thompson, Lee Murtagh and Ian Timms. Both shows will be at the Park Avenue Hotel Belfast. I should be able to confirm all opponents tomorrow night.
PS/ If you want to PM me your postal details mate I'll get you a copy of the Cork fight posted.
If your interested Apollo theres a nice wee small hall show comming up at the end of May, 30th will be a night of Ama boxing and 31st will be a Pro show featuring, Scott Belshaw, Eddie and Patrick Hyland, Luke Wilton, Willie Thompson, Lee Murtagh and Ian Timms. Both shows will be at the Park Avenue Hotel Belfast. I should be able to confirm all opponents tomorrow night.
PS/ If you want to PM me your postal details mate I'll get you a copy of the Cork fight posted.
Well, I wouldn't agree that fagan would be giving Murray a weight advantage. Fagan walks around at 140ish and now contends at lightweight. His trainer wants him to make super-feather and I think at some stage he's going to go for that, so I think the weights might be more even than you think, if not, more in favor of Murray.ApolloCreed wrote:I heard that figth in Cork was an absolute cracker alright.
Personally, I have no doubt that Murray would have stopped James in the Kings Hall, jesus he was picking him off at will and won the first three rounds handy.
I appreciate Gorman is a slow starter but he would have had to up the ante by 100 per cent to win that one. He comes to fioght, has great support and is in great nick, but I suspect Jamesie is more of a journeyman who lacks the class to step up. Time will tell.
You also have to remember that Murray was giving away serious weight, i think the weigh in for that one was 48 hours before hand. Murray is a lightweight, he'll be giving serious weight to Fagan too and I think he'd be better campaigning at the lower weight.
Reesy, your talk of a Khan fight (while crazy talk) a while back doesn't look that emntal in light of the Gomez match up. I would certainly take Murray over Gomez at this stage, not to mention the "champ" McDonagh.
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I'm not suggesting that Andy is ready for the likes of Khan, but he's more than ready for a shot banger like Gomez IMHO.Thats a good point Apollo, I too would rather see Khan in with Murray rather than Gomez, atleast Andy won't walk off mid fight. THough i don't think Andy would have Khan yet needs time at the weight, and yes the Dec bout was a 36hr weigh in.
I would worry a little about Murray going the light welter route, are there any options open to him at LW?
I think he lacks a bit of pop at the higher weight to be honest, but that is definitely improving.
Gomez was in the picture as a possible for Andy`s last fight but as you know it did`nt happen,maybe he knew about the Khan fight?ApolloCreed wrote:I'm not suggesting that Andy is ready for the likes of Khan, but he's more than ready for a shot banger like Gomez IMHO.Thats a good point Apollo, I too would rather see Khan in with Murray rather than Gomez, atleast Andy won't walk off mid fight. THough i don't think Andy would have Khan yet needs time at the weight, and yes the Dec bout was a 36hr weigh in.
I would worry a little about Murray going the light welter route, are there any options open to him at LW?
I think he lacks a bit of pop at the higher weight to be honest, but that is definitely improving.
Andy`s future is definatley in the Lightweight division,he feels very comfortable at the weight and yes he`s power is improving,but looking back to some of Andy`s early opponents,how often do Silence Saheed and Billy Smith get stopped anyway? Two very tough fella`s.
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No,same eye new cut,the cut against Gorman was worse.Both caused by accidental head clashes.
We took Andy to see a Harley street plastic surgeon to check out the damage and he was quite happy the way the skin had healed,coincedentley the surgeon was an amateur boxer in he`s younger days and had also treated Hatton.
We took Andy to see a Harley street plastic surgeon to check out the damage and he was quite happy the way the skin had healed,coincedentley the surgeon was an amateur boxer in he`s younger days and had also treated Hatton.
LOL did Jim Rock recommend him.reesy wrote:We took Andy to see a Harley street plastic surgeon to check out the damage and he was quite happy the way the skin had healed,coincedentley the surgeon was an amateur boxer in he`s younger days and had also treated Hatton.
:P Actually I was talking to "The Real" Jim Rock down in dublin and he was saying that "Our" Jim Rock is actually the double of his brother lol.
Gareth, you would`nt beleive how happy Smiffy [English Jim Rock] is, that he looks like somebody famous.
I`d like to smuggle him into the R.T.E. comentary box to see if anyone would notice,only trouble is he does`nt own a half decent shirt!!!!
He has however been workin very hard on he`s "Oirish" accent.lol
You must remind me to tell you about the time he pretended to be Billy Schwer next time i see you,fortunatly for Billy the paternity suite was`nt forthcoming! Ha Ha.
I`d like to smuggle him into the R.T.E. comentary box to see if anyone would notice,only trouble is he does`nt own a half decent shirt!!!!
He has however been workin very hard on he`s "Oirish" accent.lol
You must remind me to tell you about the time he pretended to be Billy Schwer next time i see you,fortunatly for Billy the paternity suite was`nt forthcoming! Ha Ha.
LMAO, Jim does like his dapper shirts lol. Doubt Smiffy has the Ferrari with personal "JIM K0" plate either. Smiffy as Billy Schwer loland he seems such a quiet lad lol.reesy wrote:Gareth, you would`nt beleive how happy Smiffy [English Jim Rock] is, that he looks like somebody famous.
I`d like to smuggle him into the R.T.E. comentary box to see if anyone would notice,only trouble is he does`nt own a half decent shirt!!!!He has however been workin very hard on he`s "Oirish" accent.lol
You must remind me to tell you about the time he pretended to be Billy Schwer next time i see you,fortunatly for Billy the paternity suite was`nt forthcoming! Ha Ha.
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Well we tried for Martin Kristjansen and Dave Stewart with no luck plus a few South Americans and now trying to get Peter McDonagh for the Lightweight title.03mcgs0 wrote:Right than reesy who's next up for Andy??!
Under a month now till the fight so you must have a good idea? Or if you dont who would you like Andy to fight right now?
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[quote="reesy"][quote="03mcgs0"]Right than reesy who's next up for Andy??!
Under a month now till the fight so you must have a good idea? Or if you dont who would you like Andy to fight right now?[/quote]
Well we tried for Martin Kristjansen and Dave Stewart with no luck plus a few South Americans and now trying to get Peter McDonagh for the Lightweight title.[/quote]
Thanks Reesy, I’m delighted you didn’t dodge the question which I must give you credit for.
Whoever it’ll be we’ll be shouting for Andy! Hope he gets a good fight which shows his true worth.
Under a month now till the fight so you must have a good idea? Or if you dont who would you like Andy to fight right now?[/quote]
Well we tried for Martin Kristjansen and Dave Stewart with no luck plus a few South Americans and now trying to get Peter McDonagh for the Lightweight title.[/quote]
Thanks Reesy, I’m delighted you didn’t dodge the question which I must give you credit for.
Whoever it’ll be we’ll be shouting for Andy! Hope he gets a good fight which shows his true worth.
Aye I think its your round lol.reesy wrote:Cheers buddy,thank`s for your support.
If you`re at the fight and you see us moochin about come and say hi.
Good Luck with the fights, I/we wont be down due to the dates but will be watching live. Hope to run into you lot again soon, until then keep us posted on here.
Cheers G