Guzman can't stop Arthur from winning that title

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 02:16

...he's vacated he WBO super featherweight title in order to move up to lightweight.

http://www.BS.com/index.php?m=show&id=13955

Jake Donovan must have had nightmares writing this as he actually had to name a sanctioning body world title. (for the purpose of specifics he could hardly write, "Guzman is set to vacate a title," could he?)

Anyway, surely Arthur gets passed the belt? Or does he have to fight Kevin Mitchell or Roman Martinez for the vacant strap?

charlieb · Post by **charlieb** » 14 May 2008, 02:31

Arthur's alias should have been 'the cat'.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 May 2008, 04:13

Arthur's a lucky, lucky boy.

However, 135 is looking better and better all the time, in fact it's looking like the best division since 147 around 81/82 IMO.

Campbell
Katsidis
Khan
Casamyor
Diaz
Diaz
Diaz
Marquez
Barrera
Guzman

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 14 May 2008, 04:21

You've included Amir Khan because???

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 May 2008, 04:23

I was feeling frisky. Plus Dan Rafael agrees with me and he's fat with a beard, so he must be right.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 04:37

Romanov as well.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 14 May 2008, 04:43

Probably add Pacquiao as well, it's red hot at the minute

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 04:46

Anyway, Arthur isn't going up to lightweight. Shouldn't we be talking about all the mouth watering title defences he can make at super feather?

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 May 2008, 04:47

....like?

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 14 May 2008, 04:52

Arthur with a WBO belt, I see fights against Matthews, Mitchell and Cook on the horizon. With WBO fighters not having to fight mandatories all that often, SN could monopolise that belt for quite a while.

Who is next in line in the WBO rankings? Surely they shouldn't just give him the belt

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 14 May 2008, 04:53

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:....like?

Michael Gomez for the vacant strap?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 04:56

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:....like?
Michael Gomez for the vacant strap?

Doesn't Arthur just get the title given to him, given that he fought for the Interim and then trained for Guzman who pulled out?

Anyway, a rematch with Steve Foster Jr would be nice; even though it's hardly a world level fight it's a cracking matchup.

Humberto Soto would be a great title defence. Soto is better than he looked vs Guzman and has no one to fight because Marquez and Pac are moving up.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 04:58

Lenny wrote:Arthur with a WBO belt, I see fights against Matthews, Mitchell and Cook on the horizon. With WBO fighters not having to fight mandatories all that often, SN could monopolise that belt for quite a while.

Who is next in line in the WBO rankings? Surely they shouldn't just give him the belt

Warren did say there was going to be a great era of British boxers between feather/super feather and maybe lightweight. If it takes a WBO belt to bring the fights on, I suppose that's alright.

If Arthur keeps winning he'll have to fight a good international opponent if someone good fights to the mandatory position

Anyway, why isn't Arthur fighting a replacement?

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 May 2008, 05:18

Autobarn wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:....like?
Michael Gomez for the vacant strap?
Doesn't Arthur just get the title given to him, given that he fought for the Interim and then trained for Guzman who pulled out?

Anyway, a rematch with Steve Foster Jr would be nice; even though it's hardly a world level fight it's a cracking matchup.

Humberto Soto would be a great title defence. Soto is better than he looked vs Guzman and has no one to fight because Marquez and Pac are moving up.

With the exception of Soto, there's naff all established world class fighters at 130. Gamboa is not quite ready and Juarez isn't quite good enough IMO.

Valero needs to fight more in the US first to establish himself.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 14 May 2008, 05:23

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:Arthur's a lucky, lucky boy.

However, 135 is looking better and better all the time, in fact it's looking like the best division since 147 around 81/82 IMO.

Campbell
Katsidis
Khan
Casamyor
Diaz
Diaz
Diaz
Marquez
Barrera
Guzman

Guzman beats them all, he is that good, and you missed Pacquaio

BTW

Barrera/Julio Diaz/Casamayor - ALL DONE pretty much and Campbells and Marquez are oldies too

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 05:30

Guzman doesn't seem to fit into any weight class. He'll come unstuck.

Soon he'll probably be fighting Ricky Hatton. At least Hatton would then be 1-1 vs the Mayweather style.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 May 2008, 05:32

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:Arthur's a lucky, lucky boy.

However, 135 is looking better and better all the time, in fact it's looking like the best division since 147 around 81/82 IMO.

Campbell
Katsidis
Khan
Casamyor
Diaz
Diaz
Diaz
Marquez
Barrera
Guzman
Guzman beats them all, he is that good, and you missed Pacquaio

BTW

Barrera/Julio Diaz/Casamayor - ALL DONE pretty much and Campbells and Marquez are oldies too

They're still established names, though, and add glitz to the division. Even if Marco only has one more fight. I don't think Casamayor is done, he just fought a very under-rated fighter, and has at least another year left in him.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 05:44

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Autobarn wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote: Michael Gomez for the vacant strap?
Doesn't Arthur just get the title given to him, given that he fought for the Interim and then trained for Guzman who pulled out?

Anyway, a rematch with Steve Foster Jr would be nice; even though it's hardly a world level fight it's a cracking matchup.

Humberto Soto would be a great title defence. Soto is better than he looked vs Guzman and has no one to fight because Marquez and Pac are moving up.
With the exception of Soto, there's naff all established world class fighters at 130. Gamboa is not quite ready and Juarez isn't quite good enough IMO.

Valero needs to fight more in the US first to establish himself.

Is there anything else on the way up at super feather? I've not been looking recently.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 May 2008, 05:51

Most are established Feathers like John, Guerrero, Linares and Solis. I like the look of Martinez and Salgado, but neither have been tested yet. Dib can go fck himself. I hate him.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 05:58

So there's definitely the potential of the big name feathers moving up one day - basically the last great era of feathers - Morales, Barrera, Pac, Marquez - kept on moving up in weight as they got older or chased big fights.

Has Golden Boy got any promising, natural 130-pounders?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 14 May 2008, 06:21

Guzman isn't a good example of a champion, he's f*cked around alot of people in the past , and now with the Arthur debarcle he's done it again.

If Arthur was going to be such an easy fight for him , as Guzman had been going around saying then why wouldn't he have come over and picked up some easy money.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 May 2008, 06:33

Autobarn wrote:So there's definitely the potential of the big name feathers moving up one day - basically the last great era of feathers - Morales, Barrera, Pac, Marquez - kept on moving up in weight as they got older or chased big fights.

Has Golden Boy got any promising, natural 130-pounders?

Valsquez I like the look of. Dib is shit.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 14 May 2008, 06:48

Old bones Ian wrote:Guzman isn't a good example of a champion, he's f*cked around alot of people in the past , and now with the Arthur debarcle he's done it again.

If Arthur was going to be such an easy fight for him , as Guzman had been going around saying then why wouldn't he have come over and picked up some easy money.

He still wanted to fight on the original date as soon as his Visa came through, the Visa was just used as an excuse to cancel and piss Guzman about

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 May 2008, 06:51

Why was Guman so quiet re the Visa issue and let it get to the point that the fight is postponed?

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 14 May 2008, 06:54

Well thats the point Auto, Guzman said he was still ready to fight on the date and we know Arthur was about to pull out anywhere because of injury and weight making. I think SN knew if they pissed Guzman about he'd move up to lightweight where the big fights are