Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Nat Fleischer, Jerry Geisler, Jim Jeffries, Dan Long and Dan McLeod

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Sugar Ray Robinson vs Randy Turpin...1951

Im amazed at how big a middleweight Turpin was.
He looks like a lightheavyweight.
Randy had to have been a strong fighter.

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Sugar Ray Robinson vs Kid Gavilan

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Sugar Ray Robinson vs Randy Turpin...1951

Im amazed at how big a middleweight Turpin was.
He looks like a lightheavyweight.
Randy had to have been a strong fighter.

Pug,

Turpin does look big for 160 lbs, doesn't he?

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I remember reading somewhere how Sugar Ray was shocked also when he looked across the ring at Randy.
He said something like he thought he was looking at a heavyweight.
Something like that.

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Sammy Mandell

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Joe Frazier vs George Foreman

[El Gato]

For all of you who asked about Ruben Olivares---

I saw him a couple of years ago when we were in Cancun for the WBC Celebration. We spent time talking to each other about the good old days and catching up on what we are doing today. He is living in Mexico City and has the Ruben Olivares Foundation where he trains over 100 kids. He is in great shape. Since then we have been in contact by e-mail.

El Gato

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Tony DeMarco vs Carmen Basilio

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Ace Hudkins & Sailor Vincent

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Guys,

Any of you ever got to see Beto Maldonado (Real Name;Humberto Arispuro) fight? he used to fight out of Chino, Ca., he was a good friend of mine back in the day, but I used to hate to watch him fight, he would stink up the joint everytime he fought, diego, he fought his last fight in San Diego against Eddie Mazon, did you see that fight?

I did see that fight. What I remember about Beto was that he didn't have a lot of talent,but he had heart. His face was proof of that. That night as I remember Mazon was too fast for Beto,but then everyone was.

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Milo Savage

[dagosd2000]

I remember reading somewhere how Sugar Ray was shocked also when he looked across the ring at Randy.
He said something like he thought he was looking at a heavyweight.
Something like that.

Pug
Robinson had the most problems with middleweights like Turpin who had big upper bodies. Fullmer,LaMotta,and Tiger Jones. Saw the replay of that the other night. Ray's old legs kept backing up tiring him out. I think even in his prime Ray would of had difficulty with strong middleweights like Zale and even Cerdan. To think Gainsford mentioned that Ray should take a shot at Louis. Had to be a joke.

[dagosd2000]

I remember reading somewhere how Sugar Ray was shocked also when he looked across the ring at Randy.
He said something like he thought he was looking at a heavyweight.
Something like that.

Pug
Robinson had the most problems with middleweights like Turpin who had big upper bodies. Fullmer,LaMotta,and Tiger Jones. Saw the replay of that the other night. Ray's old legs kept backing up tiring him out. I think even in his prime Ray would of had difficulty with strong middleweights like Zale and even Cerdan. To think Gainsford mentioned that Ray should take a shot at Marciano. Had to be a joke.

[raylawpc]

For all of you who asked about Ruben Olivares---

I saw him a couple of years ago when we were in Cancun for the WBC Celebration. We spent time talking to each other about the good old days and catching up on what we are doing today. He is living in Mexico City and has the Ruben Olivares Foundation where he trains over 100 kids. He is in great shape. Since then we have been in contact by e-mail.

El Gato

Hey champ, thanks for sharing that information about Ruben. I'm glad to hear one of my favorite fighters is doing so well!

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Chino State Prison, Chino, Ca.

In the 1960s-70s, I used to take amateur boxers to Chino State Prison, Chino Ca,
for the amateur boxing shows held once a month, Rick might had boxed there.
In the above photo, my fighter Sergio Perez (L) won by 3rd. ko over Wayne Thomas.

Frank, I never boxed at Chino, however, I twice fought at Tehachapi Prison, once when I was an amateur and a year later as a pro. Here's something a bit ironic. You may remember in 1969, a 22-year-old bantam from Washington State, Billy Grey, turned pro in L.A. He lived with the Quarry family and I boxed with Billy a few times in the gym. Billy was a baby-faced guy who looked about 17, had light skin with Indian features. After four straight wins as a pro, Billy gets wasted one Sunday night and drops acid. He ends up shooting a cop six times, and disappears for three days. The cop lived, and Billy was picked up asleep at his girlfriends house after a massive search. Billy was sentenced to seven years and served in a variety of Cal. State prisons including Soledad, and later, Tehachapi. I would box with Billy Grey in an exhibition bout at Tehachapi, and enjoyed getting a chance to say "hello". Many years later, after Billy Grey had finished doing his time, we hooked up again at the home of a mutual friend. What a story he had to tell!

-Rick

Rick,

Never got to Tehachapi, but Chino was lots of fun, seen Jerry and Mike Quarry boxed there, after the fights we would get fed.
I used to go with Louie J. from the Teamsters, after eating we would go to a place to dance on 1th st. in E.L.A., Louie had a girlfriend that used to hang arould that place.
The problem for me was that I was young at the time (Early 30s) and the youngest lady there to dance with was about 60, I would go the bar and drink a beer while Louie dance, and he would come and ask me aren't you going to dance?.

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I remember reading somewhere how Sugar Ray was shocked also when he looked across the ring at Randy.
He said something like he thought he was looking at a heavyweight.
Something like that.

Pug
Robinson had the most problems with middleweights like Turpin who had big upper bodies. Fullmer,LaMotta,and Tiger Jones. Saw the replay of that the other night. Ray's old legs kept backing up tiring him out. I think even in his prime Ray would of had difficulty with strong middleweights like Zale and even Cerdan. To think Gainsford mentioned that Ray should take a shot at Marciano. Had to be a joke.

Yep Dagos, Ray was more of a wirey type of build which made for real good punchers, but now that you mention it , I cant picture him really pushing the big middles around.
A fight against Marciano wasnt a serious idea was it?

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So, where is Bennie and Boxignut, our friends from the U.K?

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Milo Savage

Milo fought Gene Lebell in that mixedmatch back in 1963.
Judo vs boxing was how it was advertised, but it was more of an early mma fight.
Milo got thrown and choked out by Gene, but there is no way in the world that Savage should have gone in there with a gi top on.
He was at a huge disadvantage doing that although Lebell is a tough son of a gun.
He was bigger than Milo also.

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Nat Fleischer, Jerry Geisler, Jim Jeffries, Dan Long and Dan McLeod

That photo was taken at Jeff's 75th birthday celebration in 1950. Everybody knows Fleischer, who presented Jeffries with a gift from the New York Boxing Writer's Association. As I recall, Jerry Geisler headed the Helms Athletic Foundation, which presented Jeffries with a trophy in honor of the occasion. Dan Long fought Jeffries on July 2, 1896 at Woodward's Pavilion in San Francisco, with Jeff stopping him in the second round. After his ring career, Long became a police officer in LA, and retired as a captain. He was also present at Jeff's funeral three years later. Dan McLeod was a 19th century wrestling champion. If memory serves, he was in his 90s at the time of Jeff's party.

Jeff's birthday was a big event in 1950. Governor Earl Warren proclaimed April 15, 1950 as "James J. Jeffries Day."

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Pug
I think Robby said to Gainsford something like,"If you sign him(Marciano),you fight him."

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(L-to-R)
Nat Fleischer, Jerry Geisler, Jim Jeffries, Dan Long and Dan McLeod

That photo was taken at Jeff's 75th birthday celebration in 1950. Everybody knows Fleischer, who presented Jeffries with a gift from the New York Boxing Writer's Association. As I recall, Jerry Geisler headed the Helms Athletic Foundation, which presented Jeffries with a trophy in honor of the occasion. Dan Long fought Jeffries on July 2, 1896 at Woodward's Pavilion in San Francisco, with Jeff stopping him in the second round. After his ring career, Long became a police officer in LA, and retired as a captain. He was also present at Jeff's funeral three years later. Dan McLeod was a 19th century wrestling champion. If memory serves, he was in his 90s at the time of Jeff's party.

Jeff's birthday was a big event in 1950. Governor Earl Warren proclaimed April 15, 1950 as "James J. Jeffries Day."

I would much rather celebrate Jeffries birthday on April 15th then do my income tax thats for sure.

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You guys remember Lonnie Harris.

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Pug
I think Robby said to Gainsford something like,"If you sign him(Marciano),you fight him."

I dont know too much about Gainsford.
Was he one of those brave managers?

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Joe Gans

"Gans"
By Diego