Former HW champs who retained a rating

[funso banjo baby]

Sonny Liston was remarkable for still being in the top ten as far as 1971 !!!!!

who else retained a top ranking for years after losing the crown ?

[HomicideHenry]

Bob Fitzsimmons, believe it or not, was a top contender virtually til the time he retired in his 50's, and not only as a heavy, but as a light heavy and middleweight! Jem Mace was also a top contender for many, many years after losing/vacating his title.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles... and more





msc

[Goodnight, Irene]

Sonny Liston was remarkable for still being in the top ten as far as 1971 !!!!!

who else retained a top ranking for years after losing the crown ?

Especially remarkable, given he had passed away by 1970.

[Robinson]

I suppose in some way Larry Holmes and George Foreman did after they 'retired'.

[funso banjo baby]

Sonny Liston was remarkable for still being in the top ten as far as 1971 !!!!!

who else retained a top ranking for years after losing the crown ?

Especially remarkable, given he had passed away by 1970.

ah yes...but you know those mafia dudes ????

[funso banjo baby]

Sonny Liston was remarkable for still being in the top ten as far as 1971 !!!!!

who else retained a top ranking for years after losing the crown ?

Especially remarkable, given he had passed away by 1970.

ah yes...but you know those mafia dudes ????

anyway i think you'll find Liston was still rated on new years day 1971 wiseguy

[Goodnight, Irene]

Who was being a wiseguy?

[raylawpc]

Bob Fitzsimmons, believe it or not, was a top contender virtually til the time he retired in his 50's, and not only as a heavy, but as a light heavy and middleweight! Jem Mace was also a top contender for many, many years after losing/vacating his title.

How? The first published ratings were Tex Rickard's in Ring Magazine back in 1924. Fitz died in 1917, and Mace in 1910. Fitz was stopped by O'Brien in 1905, Jack Johnson in 1907 and Bill Lang in 1909, and laid off for three years before two non-decision fights in 1914. He was finished as a contender by 1907 at the latest.

[Robinson]

How?....Nostalgia
Thats how.

[funso banjo baby]

Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles... and more





msc

jersey joe retired after the 2nd rocky KO.

ezzard seemed to carry on forever but was he a top ten contender over this period

no one seems to have remained world class to the extent that Sonny did....

[Flump]

Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles... and more





msc

jersey joe retired after the 2nd rocky KO.

ezzard seemed to carry on forever but was he a top ten contender over this period

no one seems to have remained world class to the extent that Sonny did....

Patterson was still top 10 rated at the time of the Ali rematch, 10 years after losing the title, wasn't he?

[overhand_right]

Tubbs, Foreman, Holmes, Witherspoon etc.

[funso banjo baby]

tubbs, witherspoon etc ???

im talking about world champions...not baubles

[funso banjo baby]

tubbs, witherspoon etc ???

im talking about world champions...not baubles

foreman retired for years

[funso banjo baby]

tubbs, witherspoon etc ???

im talking about world champions...not baubles

foreman retired for years

....

but id like to know exactly how many years Holmes and foreman still appeared in the top ten

[overhand_right]

tubbs, witherspoon etc ???

im talking about world champions...not baubles

What are you on about? Holmes wasn't exactly desperate to fight Witherspoon again after Spoon beat him up.

Tubbs and Spoon were legit champions, WBO et al is 'baubles'.

[funso banjo baby]

they were bauble champs

holmes was the undisputed champ

[Robinson]

Holmes was not the undisputed champ...he had WBC and then IBF straps.
He was recognised as the linear champ and the Ring champ.

Never the undisputed champ.

[funso banjo baby]

Holmes was not the undisputed champ...he had WBC and then IBF straps.
He was recognised as the linear champ and the Ring champ.

Never the undisputed champ.

what is this 'undisputed' crap

heck even JD Chapman feels he deserves a crack at the champ

Holmes was the linear Ring champ.....u know the rules even if he fought scott frank or lupe guerra for the next 20 years ..hed still be champ

even if he was stripped of his alphabet titles hed STILL BE CHAMP !

thats how it works

the man who beat the man

[Robinson]

So who is the man that beat the man now ?

And who was the man when Ali retired post Spinks II ?

[funso banjo baby]

its very plain

The Rings NO 1 has to fight NO 2 winner takes all baby

u know this

[Robinson]

Its not the Undisputed champion then...

its the Ring recognised champion.

And I know you know I know this...but do you really know that I perhaps dont know that
we both know something that is not known to be as absolute as you or I knowing what each
of us know about what either of/or both know.

[funso banjo baby]

its an interesting conjecture

the 'undisputed' thing dsnt really mean anything

Jd Chapman presumably 'disputes' this ...he is afterall the pan-african centro latino WOrld Champion


now dont make me come down there !

[Robinson]

:) Oh Ill be a good lil imperial subject.


It is sad however that 'undisputed' had to come about in the first
place and that worse...now it really is a lost notion for HW's.