height is indeed overrated, and frazier shows you why.I Feel Fine wrote:I wouldn't call Frazier a "little guy." Height is important, but its a bit overrated. How did you like the rematches, by the way?.
Right, that's my take. When I say "he doesn't deserve all that much credit" I mean it in that context; "what if they were the same age?" With that said, it means much more than beating someone like Lacy.Ambling Alp wrote: I think that it's a nice win for Calzaghe over Hopkins. Most other fighters wouldn't have been able to do that.
However, that doesn't mean that Calzaghe was better or would beat Hopkins if they were the same age. If they were both say 36, Hopkins would win.
I could say that McCallum had a belt, he was still a top Light Heavyweight, and so it was a good win for Jones, even if Jones was at his peak and McCallum wasn't.Ezzard wrote:Fine that wasn't my point. My point was that Calzaghe's win over Hopkins is a good win. Hopkins had beaten 2 of his best opponents in previous fights and was top 10 P4p still. When McCallum fought Jones, Mike was not in the same state at all. Mike really was washed up. IMO that version of McCallum was not comparable to the Hopkins Calzaghe beat. Bernard was not in his prime but he was still a very, very stern test.
No, we don't.Smokin'Moe wrote:we all know ali is a bit over rated
The haters seem to hope that if they repeat it often enough people will start to believe it.I Feel Fine wrote:No, we don't.Smokin'Moe wrote:we all know ali is a bit over rated
Without ever providing serious evidence to support that claim, while building up fighters who accomplished less.Goodnight, Irene wrote:"...we all know ali is a bit over rated..." - Moe
Most of us, anyway.
Smokin'Moe wrote:wasn't bein a hater, just statin my opinion.
fighters can be amazingly good, and still overrated at the same time.
you guys dont gotta jump all over me like that
muhammad ali is a figher and a big boy now. guys dont need immediatley defend him by labeling me a hater.
btw, hes one of my favorites of all time and i own about 3/4 of his career on dvd
i can see you two fellas (I feel fine and collins)are feeling the scars left by granberry.....
I don't recall labeling you anything. I simply corrected your presumptuous comment.Smokin'Marijuana wrote:labeling me a hater.btw, hes one of my favorites of all time and i own about 3/4 of his career on dvd
i can see you two fellas (I feel fine and collins)are feeling the scars left by granberry.....
Goodnight, Irene wrote:"you dance to the tune that haters like granberry and his two oinks play you run the risk of being mistaken for one of them. Oink #1 also claims to be an Ali fan but has never done anything but rag on him.
Anyway, good to see another Ali fan around.
In future, though, please don't appoint yourself as speaking for me ie
we all know ali is a bit over rated
Rather than 'we', stick to 'I'. It's all opinion after all." - Collins
Oh, c'mon, Collins, you can't possibly argue someone saying Ali is, "a bit overrated" is the equivalent to being part of Gran's clan. That is tantamount to saying any criticism of Ali puts you in Gran's corner (sometimes, I wonder). Gran's posts on Ali are simply nauseating, which is why he is on my Ignore list.
What is that little tid-bit about copies sold of Ali books vs. copies sold of The Bible, again?
i am SOO sorry for that statement i made earlier. i am literally shaken in me boots from your violent, scary onslaught of cyber blows to my cyber-cerebellum.Collins2000 wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote:"you dance to the tune that haters like granberry and his two oinks play you run the risk of being mistaken for one of them. Oink #1 also claims to be an Ali fan but has never done anything but rag on him.
Anyway, good to see another Ali fan around.
In future, though, please don't appoint yourself as speaking for me ie
we all know ali is a bit over rated
Rather than 'we', stick to 'I'. It's all opinion after all." - Collins
Oh, c'mon, Collins, you can't possibly argue someone saying Ali is, "a bit overrated" is the equivalent to being part of Gran's clan. That is tantamount to saying any criticism of Ali puts you in Gran's corner (sometimes, I wonder). Gran's posts on Ali are simply nauseating, which is why he is on my Ignore list.
What is that little tid-bit about copies sold of Ali books vs. copies sold of The Bible, again?
He said "we all know...".
If he'd said "in my opinion..." he wouldn't have heard from me.
Didn't John Lennon once say he was bigger than Ali? Or was it Jesus who said that?
Anyway Bert would lick the lot of them. On the same night. Bert was possibly the best middleweight from Scotland ever!
Smokin'Moe wrote:Collins2000 wrote:Goodnight, Irene wrote:"you dance to the tune that haters like granberry and his two oinks play you run the risk of being mistaken for one of them. Oink #1 also claims to be an Ali fan but has never done anything but rag on him.
Anyway, good to see another Ali fan around.
In future, though, please don't appoint yourself as speaking for me ie
we all know ali is a bit over rated
Rather than 'we', stick to 'I'. It's all opinion after all." - Collins
Oh, c'mon, Collins, you can't possibly argue someone saying Ali is, "a bit overrated" is the equivalent to being part of Gran's clan. That is tantamount to saying any criticism of Ali puts you in Gran's corner (sometimes, I wonder). Gran's posts on Ali are simply nauseating, which is why he is on my Ignore list.
What is that little tid-bit about copies sold of Ali books vs. copies sold of The Bible, again?
He said "we all know...".
If he'd said "in my opinion..." he wouldn't have heard from me.
Didn't John Lennon once say he was bigger than Ali? Or was it Jesus who said that?
Anyway Bert would lick the lot of them. On the same night. Bert was possibly the best middleweight from Scotland ever!
i am SOO sorry for that statement i made earlier. i am literally shaken in me boots from your violent, scary onslaught of cyber blows to my cyber-cerebellum.