Classic American West Coast Boxing

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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Brian London vs Tom McNeeley
London took part in a typical brawl with Boston longshoreman McNeeley in a 10-rounder at London's Olympia in 1963. Referee Harry Gibbs let them foul away for a few rounds then barked, "Right, you've had your fun, now let's see some boxing!
"You know," added Gibbs, "they behaved like proper gentlemen for the rest of the fight."
London won on points.
Bennie, I always remembered that quote but didn't know the fight it was attributed to. Thanks, dude. Incidentally, there was one more funny story that happened on your side of the pond in which I'd like to know the participants. It was a story of one fighter taking a licking and he began backpedaling away from his opponent in a circular motion around the ring. When he came to his own corner he peered over his shoulder and yelled to his seconds, "stop the fight", in which they simply yelled back something like, "go get 'em". On the next circular visit to his corner he again yells, "stop the fight", in which they give him a similar response as before. The third time he yells to them, "stop the fight, I won't be around again!" I thought this was hysterical and would love to know who was involved if you recall this.

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Took a spin this morning. Was in Southeast San Diego. Decided to drive by Ol' Arch's house. Found out it's a hotel for gay men. How'd that song go? "So Easy To Remember,So Hard To Forget." I wish I could forget about what I saw this morning. Sorry if any of you guys see this and feel shitty like I do.

diego

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Well it's sad, but it takes nothing away from the times that it served as a home for a great man. I understand nostalgia and the feelings about how we'd like things to remain the same, but change is the only sure thing in life. We keep the memories forever and as long as we hold firm to our own values and don't forget the great things that have taken place we can be be seeds for the kind of change we'd prefer. This may be an example of change for the worse, but I would go so far as to say the information contained on this thread can be a catalyst for a lot of good. I think Archie would agree that you win a few and you lose a few. However you're NEVER beaten unless or until you give up.

Archie proved that more than once but never better than in one of the most inspiring sporting events ever to take place. I think his opponent on that night, namely Yvon Durelle would concur.
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Eviction is bitter fruit of citrus man's labors
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Mark Boster / Los Angeles Times
Ignacio Lujano, 84, is surrounded by some of his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren at a family gathering at Swanner Ranch in San Juan Capistrano. Lujano has tended the orange groves for 38 years, but the city, which owns the property, is evicting him and his family so it can turn the ranch into a maintenance yard.
Ignacio Lujano stands to lose the Orange County grove he's tended for almost four decades.

By William Lobdell, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 15, 2008

For half a century, Ignacio Lujano has worked the orange groves of San Juan Capistrano, laboring from sunrise to past sunset six days a week to coax the largest and sweetest harvest possible from his Valencia and navel trees.

Unwilling to leave the groves, he's never taken a vacation. In his younger years, he often took a blanket and slept under the stars, a gun by his side, to protect the fruit from thieves.

Today, many of Lujano's 13 children, 25 grandchildren and 12 great-grandchildren will gather -- probably for the last time -- at the family home that sits amid the remnants of the city's once-sprawling orange groves to celebrate Father's Day.

They plan to barbecue carne asada, drink a Corona or two, play ranchero music from a boom box and listen to Lujano's stories of 50 years as a citrus farmer in San Juan Capistrano. But the usually joyous Father's Day honoring the family patriarch will be, at best, tinged with sadness.

After 38 years at the Swanner Ranch, Lujano, 84, is being evicted by San Juan Capistrano city officials. They plan to build a maintenance yard there for their open-space operations and have given him until Aug. 14 to leave -- or face legal action.

The move has left Lujano bewildered -- he thought he had a deal to work the ranch until he died -- and San Juan Capistrano with a public relations challenge as word of his pending eviction has leaked out.

"Why do they want to do this now?" asks Lujano, leaning on a shovel that also serves as his cane. He's a stout man with a barrel chest, muscled arms, leathery skin and two bad knees. "I'm too old now to find other work."

Some say Lujano should have seen this coming. In 1992, as part of an open-space initiative, the city bought the 42-acre property abutting the 5 Freeway in the northern part of town. Documents show that Lujano, the ranch's foreman, was put on a month-to-month contract that allowed him to live on the site in exchange for tending five of the 42 acres of orange groves and maintaining the site. The city also paid him a $500 monthly stipend.

But Lujano swears that at about the same time, he signed a second city contract, also bearing the signature of his son Roy, that permitted him to live out his years on the Swanner Ranch, a promise originally made by his old landlord, attorney Charles Swanner. It's a document no one can find and the city doesn't believe exists.

"We're ready to take the space and use it for its intended purpose," said Cindy Russell, assistant city manager. "We had to press the issue recently because there's been no movement."

Lujano's children say they don't understand why the city won't let their father spend his final years in peace on the land he loves and has nurtured for so long.

"In Laguna Beach, they make statues of 'the Greeter,' who was an icon of that town," said Lujano's son Alex, referring to Eiler Larsen, the colorful character in the beach town who spent 33 years waving to motorists on South Coast Highway. "In San Juan, they kick my father out."

Others echo the family's sentiments. One e-mailer to the OC Weekly, which recently featured Lujano's plight, wrote: "Sad that people can legalize and justify removing this good man from his home and give cold legalese ultimatums after all his years of service."

Born in Arizona in 1924, Lujano was raised in Mexico and migrated with his brother to the United States in 1958. In San Ysidro, they boarded a Greyhound bus and asked the driver to take them as far as $5 would allow. They made it to San Juan Capistrano, which Lujano declared to be a slice of heaven with its rolling hills, thousands of acres of orange groves and vast stretches of open space.

"I have never seen a town like this . . . quiet, honest, everything the way I like it," Lujano said. He told his brother, "I can die in peace here with no problems."

Back then, sleepy San Juan Capistrano wasn't much different from the rest of the Orange County, which boasted more than 60,000 acres of citrus groves. The abundant orange groves fulfilled the prophecy of business boosters who gave Orange County its name in 1881 because of its allure, not because of its endless citrus groves.

In San Juan Capistrano, Lujano quickly gained a reputation among landowners for his knack for producing abundant harvests from the rich soil and never lacked for work. In 1970, when the ranch where Lujano worked was sold, he was hired the next day by Charles Swanner, an attorney who owned property on the west side of the 5, north of the town's famous mission. Lujano said its annual production of avocados jumped from 1,050 pounds to 51,300 pounds in his first year as foreman.

Lujano's wife died of cancer in 1973, leaving him to raise nine children still at home by himself. He didn't make much, so his children couldn't afford to compete in organized sports, and an afternoon outing to the local carnival seemed like a trip to Disneyland.

It would be 16 years before Lujano would remarry and father two more children. In the meantime, he focused on the orange groves and his children.

"Growing up, we didn't have to share my dad with another woman," Alex Lujano said. "We had to share him with the ranch."

As development accelerated in Orange County, orange groves disappeared. Even in the county's remaining agriculture areas, citrus was replaced with more profitable crops such as strawberries. Today, the county has less than 100 acres of orange trees, most of them used as nostalgic forms of landscaping or living tributes to a bygone era.

In 1990, the third act of Lujano's life was put into motion when San Juan Capistrano residents passed a $20-million bond measure to buy and preserve open space. The city later purchased the Swanner Ranch for nearly $7 million.

As part of the sale, owner Roger Swanner asked that Lujano be made an independent contractor for the city and be allowed to live on the property and work the orange groves. Lujano said he believed that another agreement -- the one he can't find -- let him stay on the land until he died. He said that for the next 16 years, he never considered eviction a possibility.

In the last few years, Lujano said, he has watched with sadness as the orange groves that once thrived under his care began to wither as the city took control of the last five acres. In his opinion, a lack of watering and pest control has doomed many of the trees -- a contention the city disputes.

"I feel bad to see my trees die, because I've been taking care of them for a long, long time," Lujano said.

In May 2007, city officials said they were ready to carry out their open-space plans for the more than 120 acres they purchased on the city's north end and gave Lujano 60 days to leave.

They offered to help him find affordable housing within the city, an offer he's turned down because his wife, 22 years his junior, wouldn't be allowed to stay there when he died. He doesn't want her to have to move twice.

The city waited a year before sending a second eviction notice, this time giving him 90 days. San Juan Capistrano officials stopped Lujano's monthly checks in October.

"It's time to turn the page and start a new chapter," said Councilman Thomas Hribar, vice chairman of the city's Open Space Committee. "This tenant has been on that property since the city bought it in 1992, and he's known he's needed to move for the last year. It's time to move."

Lujano's family wonders why the city couldn't leave the ranch house alone until the patriarch dies.

"This open-space plan is not an emergency," Alex Lujano, 37, said. "What's the rush?"

Ignacio Lujano figures he'll have to move in with his son Roy in one of the city's "dumps" -- a term he uses frequently to describe any kind of development. Roy Lujano says he's trying to find a place next to some open space. He says his father "won't make it in a town."

Lujano agrees: "The last few days I've got left, I've got to live like a prisoner in jail. I'm not allowed to drive a car. I'm not allowed to do nothing. Just live out my life."

Until he's kicked off the ranch, Lujano can't stop looking after his trees. At night, he'll sneak out, drag a hose into the groves and give them the soaking he believes they deserve.

"The soil here used to be black," he said, kicking the light brown dirt with his cowboy boots. "Now look at it."

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San Diego Sports Arena
This place has some special boxing memories for me. Of course, this is the house where Ken Norton busted Ali's jaw and truly upset the world on March 31, 1973. However, how many people are aware of the first boxing competition to be held there? The place was brand new in April 1969 when the National A.A.U. boxing championships were there, and provided San Diego's new sports palace with it's first boxing show. I was a member of the Southern Pacific AAU team (All L.A. boys) that fought in that tournament and some big name pros would evolve from it. In the heavyweight division a big, scared, guy from Cincinnati would score a one round KO over San Diego'sJim Elder to take the title, his name was Earnie Shavers. In the welter division the Army claimed the title when Pvt. Armando Muniz took it home for the second straight year. Lots of memories of the San Diego International Sports Arena, I remember when it was brand new, opening about a year after L.A.'s "Fabulous Forum".

Just a little S.D. history from an L.A. guy.

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BoxBuzz wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

Took a spin this morning. Was in Southeast San Diego. Decided to drive by Ol' Arch's house. Found out it's a hotel for gay men. How'd that song go? "So Easy To Remember,So Hard To Forget." I wish I could forget about what I saw this morning. Sorry if any of you guys see this and feel shitty like I do.

diego

Image

Well it's sad, but it takes nothing away from the times that it served as a home for a great man. I understand nostalgia and the feelings about how we'd like things to remain the same, but change is the only sure thing in life. We keep the memories forever and as long as we hold firm to our own values and don't forget the great things that have taken place we can be be seeds for the kind of change we'd prefer. This may be an example of change for the worse, but I would go so far as to say the information contained on this thread can be a catalyst for a lot of good. I think Archie would agree that you win a few and you lose a few. However you're NEVER beaten unless or until you give up.

Archie proved that more than once but never better than in one of the most inspiring sporting events ever to take place. I think his opponent on that night, namely Yvon Durelle would concur.

Archie's house a gay hotel? The Olymppic Auditorium a Korean church? The Main Street Gym a parking lot? Dempsey's old place off of Western Ave. in L.A. a tire store, Jeffries Barn now housing an Oriental doll museum at Knott's Berry Farm?
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One of the Best Athletes of All time May Have Been a Boxer
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By Ted Sares:
Jim Brown was a great all-around athlete who played lacrosse, football, basketball, and even ran track at Syracuse University. He may have been the greatest lacrosse and football player ever). Of course, he went on to professional football immortality. It’s pretty difficult to argue that he was not the greatest athlete in American history. Jackie Robinson, Gene Conley, Deion Sanders, Dave DeBusschere and Bo Jackson (Bo could DO!), were pretty darn good all-around athletes as well. So were Jackie Jensen, Bob Mathias and, of course, Jim Thorpe. There were many other high-profile athletes who were multi-sports stars.

But one who flew under the radar for whatever reason was a 6'4" 230 pounds, well-muscled, strong, and fast athlete who graduated from San Diego High School in 1952. He quickly became the youngest player in the history of the National Football League. He was one of the few who made it to--let alone star in- the NFL without playing college football (which may account for his low profile). Amazingly, prior to playing football, he had signed up with the old St. Louis Browns as a power hitting outfielder and spent the summer playing Class B ball for the Stockton Ports of the California League before forsaking baseball for football..

High School

He was one of the greatest high school athletes in American sports history and was recruited by the Harlem Globetrotters for his basketball skills. When they came to town, they all but begged his parents to let them take him with them. He was the only baseball player folks can recall hitting balls out of Balboa Stadium on a consistent basis, shots that reportedly even made Hall of Famer Ted Williams take notice. He was scouted by the NFL during high school. What’s more remarkable, he accomplished this during a time when Jackie Robinson was breaking the color barrier in professional baseball. He recalled during an interview with the late Reggie Grant:

“But baseball and track were during the same season, so I’d go to the track meet, maybe put the shot a couple of times, and then change in the car and go to play baseball.… And every now then and I’d fill-in and run the relays” (Reggie Grant, “Mr. Versatility: the youngest player in NFL history,” undated, http://www.afrogolf.com/ FeatureCharliePowell.html

All in all, he won twelve varsity letters. Among other things, he ran the 100-yard dash in a blazing 9.6 seconds. He high jumped 6 feet and put the shot 57 feet 9–1/4 inches (a San Diego High School record that may still stand).

He was Southern California’s "Prep Player of the Year" in 1950-51 and named on All-America High School team.

Football

His professional football career began in 1952 when San Francisco 49er Coach Buck Shaw showed up at his home in San Diego, contract in hand. His parents had to sign the contract, and he made a whopping $10,000.00 that first year. He was a world-class athlete long before players were fairly compensated for their skills. He credited his success as a football player (and later as a boxer) to his superior conditioning. As a nineteen-year-old, his chance to play came during training camp when the starter was injured, and he made the most of it.

In his first game, he played against the then world champions, the Detroit Lions. It was a team loaded with several all-pros and future Hall of Fame players. He sacked quarterback Bobby Layne an astounding ten times – yes 10 times- for sixty-seven yards in losses. His performance was so inspirational that his teammates awarded him the game ball. It was the first time a 49er rookie was so honored. All this before the NFL kept official stats on things like sacks. He quickly became an NFL star, and a younger brother eventually would play in the AFL for the New York Jets. He and the great Joe “The Jet” Perry were the only black players on the 49ers at that time and sometimes had to stay in different hotels than their white teammates.

He played five seasons for the 49ers (1952–53 and 1955–57) and two for the Oakland Raiders (1960–61). In between, he boxed.

Boxing

He started boxing at the age of eleven or twelve. As a youngster, he would get up early before school and jog down to Archie Moore’s home. He would then train with the Mongoose, go back home, shower, eat, and go to school. He earned extra money for his family during WWII by boxing at military bases near San Diego.

He started off his boxing career with a draw against one Fred Taylor, but then reeled off ten straight knockout wins. But, as often is the case in the less-than-scrupulous world of boxing, his managers and promoters moved him too fast, and he was taken out by Charlie Norkus in 1954 in a pier six brawl in which both fighters were down. Powell, 11-0-1 at the time, was young and naive to the all-too-familiar, sleazy elements surrounding him. Norkus was 24-12 and had already beaten tough Danny Nardico twice—the first time in a thrilling cult classic involving 8 knockdowns. He was one of those exciting types. If he didn’t t get you, you would get him.

The highlight of his boxing career happened in March 1959 when he knocked out the number-two ranked boxer in the world, 6'4" Cuban Nino Valdes who was 46-16-3 coming in. Nino, who was on a 6-fight win streak, was decked three times. Another great win was a redemptive one over the rugged Norkus in a 1958 rematch.

He fought Muhammad Ali (then Cassius Clay) in 1963 in Pittsburgh before 17,000 fans, and like so many of Ali’s other opponents, felt the sting of his insults. Ali predicted he would KO him in round three and did just that, but he earned $12,000 more than he’d ever been paid for an entire season as a pro football player. In 1964, he was paid $10,000 to fight Floyd Patterson, to whom he lost in six.

Eventually, he would finish with a record of 25-11-3 (19 KOs). Among his opponents were Norkus, Harold Carter, Patterson, Roger Rischer, Mike DeJohn, Johnny Summerlin, Roy Harris, and, of course, Ali. It was an imposing list, to say the least. He never fought an amateur fight.

Arguably, he did not reach his full potential because of that which distinguished him; namely, being a two-sport man. Going back and forth between football and boxing, he would put on weight for one and lose it for the other. Had he been able to focus on boxing, there is no telling how far he could have gone.

Yes, Jim Brown was a great all-around athlete. However, CHARLEY POWELL never served his apprenticeships. He never boxed amateur, nor did he attend college. He simply jumped from high school to professional stardom. In any discussion of who was the greatest athlete, I submit Charley Powell’s name should be included.

Known as “Mr. Versatility,” he was never really picked up by the public or the press, but I knew about him. If you are ever in San Diego, visit the Breitbart Hall of Champions and look for the Powell brothers, Art and Charlie. Art was a four-time all-star for the New York Jets in the AFL.

When I was a kid, you couldn’t get me out of a gym. Now, you can’t get kids in a gym. I wish I could think of a way to get kids in gyms instead of drifting toward guns and drugs. Burn up that energy in a gym. Boxing’s great that way.
—Charlie Powell
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scartissue wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Brian London vs Tom McNeeley
London took part in a typical brawl with Boston longshoreman McNeeley in a 10-rounder at London's Olympia in 1963. Referee Harry Gibbs let them foul away for a few rounds then barked, "Right, you've had your fun, now let's see some boxing!
"You know," added Gibbs, "they behaved like proper gentlemen for the rest of the fight."
London won on points.
Bennie, I always remembered that quote but didn't know the fight it was attributed to. Thanks, dude. Incidentally, there was one more funny story that happened on your side of the pond in which I'd like to know the participants. It was a story of one fighter taking a licking and he began backpedaling away from his opponent in a circular motion around the ring. When he came to his own corner he peered over his shoulder and yelled to his seconds, "stop the fight", in which they simply yelled back something like, "go get 'em". On the next circular visit to his corner he again yells, "stop the fight", in which they give him a similar response as before. The third time he yells to them, "stop the fight, I won't be around again!" I thought this was hysterical and would love to know who was involved if you recall this.

Scartissue
I have to admit, Scartissue, nothing leaps out at me, possibly Kevin Finnegan giving his trainer Freddie Hill a hard time as usual.
I really don't know.
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kikibalt wrote:One of the Best Athletes of All time May Have Been a Boxer
Image
By Ted Sares:
Jim Brown was a great all-around athlete who played lacrosse, football, basketball, and even ran track at Syracuse University. He may have been the greatest lacrosse and football player ever). Of course, he went on to professional football immortality. It’s pretty difficult to argue that he was not the greatest athlete in American history. Jackie Robinson, Gene Conley, Deion Sanders, Dave DeBusschere and Bo Jackson (Bo could DO!), were pretty darn good all-around athletes as well. So were Jackie Jensen, Bob Mathias and, of course, Jim Thorpe. There were many other high-profile athletes who were multi-sports stars.

But one who flew under the radar for whatever reason was a 6'4" 230 pounds, well-muscled, strong, and fast athlete who graduated from San Diego High School in 1952. He quickly became the youngest player in the history of the National Football League. He was one of the few who made it to--let alone star in- the NFL without playing college football (which may account for his low profile). Amazingly, prior to playing football, he had signed up with the old St. Louis Browns as a power hitting outfielder and spent the summer playing Class B ball for the Stockton Ports of the California League before forsaking baseball for football..

High School

He was one of the greatest high school athletes in American sports history and was recruited by the Harlem Globetrotters for his basketball skills. When they came to town, they all but begged his parents to let them take him with them. He was the only baseball player folks can recall hitting balls out of Balboa Stadium on a consistent basis, shots that reportedly even made Hall of Famer Ted Williams take notice. He was scouted by the NFL during high school. What’s more remarkable, he accomplished this during a time when Jackie Robinson was breaking the color barrier in professional baseball. He recalled during an interview with the late Reggie Grant:

“But baseball and track were during the same season, so I’d go to the track meet, maybe put the shot a couple of times, and then change in the car and go to play baseball.… And every now then and I’d fill-in and run the relays” (Reggie Grant, “Mr. Versatility: the youngest player in NFL history,” undated, http://www.afrogolf.com/ FeatureCharliePowell.html

All in all, he won twelve varsity letters. Among other things, he ran the 100-yard dash in a blazing 9.6 seconds. He high jumped 6 feet and put the shot 57 feet 9–1/4 inches (a San Diego High School record that may still stand).

He was Southern California’s "Prep Player of the Year" in 1950-51 and named on All-America High School team.

Football

His professional football career began in 1952 when San Francisco 49er Coach Buck Shaw showed up at his home in San Diego, contract in hand. His parents had to sign the contract, and he made a whopping $10,000.00 that first year. He was a world-class athlete long before players were fairly compensated for their skills. He credited his success as a football player (and later as a boxer) to his superior conditioning. As a nineteen-year-old, his chance to play came during training camp when the starter was injured, and he made the most of it.

In his first game, he played against the then world champions, the Detroit Lions. It was a team loaded with several all-pros and future Hall of Fame players. He sacked quarterback Bobby Layne an astounding ten times – yes 10 times- for sixty-seven yards in losses. His performance was so inspirational that his teammates awarded him the game ball. It was the first time a 49er rookie was so honored. All this before the NFL kept official stats on things like sacks. He quickly became an NFL star, and a younger brother eventually would play in the AFL for the New York Jets. He and the great Joe “The Jet” Perry were the only black players on the 49ers at that time and sometimes had to stay in different hotels than their white teammates.

He played five seasons for the 49ers (1952–53 and 1955–57) and two for the Oakland Raiders (1960–61). In between, he boxed.

Boxing

He started boxing at the age of eleven or twelve. As a youngster, he would get up early before school and jog down to Archie Moore’s home. He would then train with the Mongoose, go back home, shower, eat, and go to school. He earned extra money for his family during WWII by boxing at military bases near San Diego.

He started off his boxing career with a draw against one Fred Taylor, but then reeled off ten straight knockout wins. But, as often is the case in the less-than-scrupulous world of boxing, his managers and promoters moved him too fast, and he was taken out by Charlie Norkus in 1954 in a pier six brawl in which both fighters were down. Powell, 11-0-1 at the time, was young and naive to the all-too-familiar, sleazy elements surrounding him. Norkus was 24-12 and had already beaten tough Danny Nardico twice—the first time in a thrilling cult classic involving 8 knockdowns. He was one of those exciting types. If he didn’t t get you, you would get him.

The highlight of his boxing career happened in March 1959 when he knocked out the number-two ranked boxer in the world, 6'4" Cuban Nino Valdes who was 46-16-3 coming in. Nino, who was on a 6-fight win streak, was decked three times. Another great win was a redemptive one over the rugged Norkus in a 1958 rematch.

He fought Muhammad Ali (then Cassius Clay) in 1963 in Pittsburgh before 17,000 fans, and like so many of Ali’s other opponents, felt the sting of his insults. Ali predicted he would KO him in round three and did just that, but he earned $12,000 more than he’d ever been paid for an entire season as a pro football player. In 1964, he was paid $10,000 to fight Floyd Patterson, to whom he lost in six.

Eventually, he would finish with a record of 25-11-3 (19 KOs). Among his opponents were Norkus, Harold Carter, Patterson, Roger Rischer, Mike DeJohn, Johnny Summerlin, Roy Harris, and, of course, Ali. It was an imposing list, to say the least. He never fought an amateur fight.

Arguably, he did not reach his full potential because of that which distinguished him; namely, being a two-sport man. Going back and forth between football and boxing, he would put on weight for one and lose it for the other. Had he been able to focus on boxing, there is no telling how far he could have gone.

Yes, Jim Brown was a great all-around athlete. However, CHARLEY POWELL never served his apprenticeships. He never boxed amateur, nor did he attend college. He simply jumped from high school to professional stardom. In any discussion of who was the greatest athlete, I submit Charley Powell’s name should be included.

Known as “Mr. Versatility,” he was never really picked up by the public or the press, but I knew about him. If you are ever in San Diego, visit the Breitbart Hall of Champions and look for the Powell brothers, Art and Charlie. Art was a four-time all-star for the New York Jets in the AFL.

When I was a kid, you couldn’t get me out of a gym. Now, you can’t get kids in a gym. I wish I could think of a way to get kids in gyms instead of drifting toward guns and drugs. Burn up that energy in a gym. Boxing’s great that way.
—Charlie Powell
Nice article on Charley Powell. See the Powell brothers once in a while at various youth functions in the area. High School Football Coaches Hall of Fame Induction for San Diego coaches for example. They take after Archie Moore in a way. They're the last of the old guard. Gentlemen,respected. Treat people with respect. A time when Southeast San Diego was a fun place to hang out. Friendly guys,and by the way,they're still imposing men.
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San Diego Sports Arena
This place has some special boxing memories for me. Of course, this is the house where Ken Norton busted Ali's jaw and truly upset the world on March 31, 1973. However, how many people are aware of the first boxing competition to be held there? The place was brand new in April 1969 when the National A.A.U. boxing championships were there, and provided San Diego's new sports palace with it's first boxing show. I was a member of the Southern Pacific AAU team (All L.A. boys) that fought in that tournament and some big name pros would evolve from it. In the heavyweight division a big, scared, guy from Cincinnati would score a one round KO over San Diego'sJim Elder to take the title, his name was Earnie Shavers. In the welter division the Army claimed the title when Pvt. Armando Muniz took it home for the second straight year. Lots of memories of the San Diego International Sports Arena, I remember when it was brand new, opening about a year after L.A.'s "Fabulous Forum".

Just a little S.D. history from an L.A. guy.

-Rick
Thanks for enlightening a San Diegan.
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Rick Farris wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

Took a spin this morning. Was in Southeast San Diego. Decided to drive by Ol' Arch's house. Found out it's a hotel for gay men. How'd that song go? "So Easy To Remember,So Hard To Forget." I wish I could forget about what I saw this morning. Sorry if any of you guys see this and feel shitty like I do.

diego

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Well it's sad, but it takes nothing away from the times that it served as a home for a great man. I understand nostalgia and the feelings about how we'd like things to remain the same, but change is the only sure thing in life. We keep the memories forever and as long as we hold firm to our own values and don't forget the great things that have taken place we can be be seeds for the kind of change we'd prefer. This may be an example of change for the worse, but I would go so far as to say the information contained on this thread can be a catalyst for a lot of good. I think Archie would agree that you win a few and you lose a few. However you're NEVER beaten unless or until you give up.

Archie proved that more than once but never better than in one of the most inspiring sporting events ever to take place. I think his opponent on that night, namely Yvon Durelle would concur.

Archie's house a gay hotel? The Olymppic Auditorium a Korean church? The Main Street Gym a parking lot? Dempsey's old place off of Western Ave. in L.A. a tire store, Jeffries Barn now housing an Oriental doll museum at Knott's Berry Farm?
You know Rick,I'll be going to Europe in a week. From what I've seen in my travels they wouldn't desecrate or tear down these kinds of institutions. They'd either still be in operation or the State would make them landmarks. The community took pride in these places. No matter which way you slice it,turning Archie Moore's house into a gay hotel is a slap in the face to Archie Moore and Southeast San Diego.
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Bennie, I always remembered that quote but didn't know the fight it was attributed to. Thanks, dude. Incidentally, there was one more funny story that happened on your side of the pond in which I'd like to know the participants. It was a story of one fighter taking a licking and he began backpedaling away from his opponent in a circular motion around the ring. When he came to his own corner he peered over his shoulder and yelled to his seconds, "stop the fight", in which they simply yelled back something like, "go get 'em". On the next circular visit to his corner he again yells, "stop the fight", in which they give him a similar response as before. The third time he yells to them, "stop the fight, I won't be around again!" I thought this was hysterical and would love to know who was involved if you recall this.

Scartissue[/quote]
I have to admit, Scartissue, nothing leaps out at me, possibly Kevin Finnegan giving his trainer Freddie Hill a hard time as usual.
I really don't know.[/quote]

Bennie, for some reason Billy Waith is sticking in my head. But he had so many damn fights, who knows who his opponent was or who said it.

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Frank, thanks for posting the photos of West Coast arenas that are such a part of boxing history. Of course, the FORUM played a major part in both Los Angeles and World boxing history, and some of my greatest memories of boxing took place in this arena. The place was built by the guy who, at the time, owned the L.A. Lakers & Kings, as well as the Washington Red Skins, Jack Kent Cooke. This would be the arena that would replace the L.A. Sports Arena as Los Angeles premiere sports venue. Ironically, boxing would be the first major sports event to be held in the "House that Jack built", taking place in June, 1968, featuring a bantamweight elimination bout between challengers Jesus Pimentel and ChuCho Castillo. Also on the card was a Cuban welter livng in Mexico, Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles. Castillo edged Pimentel in a twelve rounder, and Napoles bombed out LeRoy Roberts in one round. From then on, the Forum would feature some of the greatest talent on earth. Mexican talent, local talent, International talent . . . the Forum had it all. To this we must thank the late George Parnassus. The Forum introduced many great champs to the world and some won their titles there, such as Napoles, Ruben Olivares, Carlos Zarate, Alexis Arguello and others. What the FORUM featured was the BEST in the world, in COMPETITIVE fights.

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Another great painting! Thanks for sharing your art, Dagos.

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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

Took a spin this morning. Was in Southeast San Diego. Decided to drive by Ol' Arch's house. Found out it's a hotel for gay men. How'd that song go? "So Easy To Remember,So Hard To Forget." I wish I could forget about what I saw this morning. Sorry if any of you guys see this and feel shitty like I do.

diego

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Sacrilege.

Bennie, thanks for this photo. Nothing is sacred here. You know, they gave "Jeffries Barn" a special historical designation, yet nobody who visits Knott's Berry Farm is enlightened to what the barn once was. Moore was a very special part of San Diego Sports history. He scored more KO's than ANY boxer on record. He helped kids, he lived a healthy positive existence in a tough world. He endured his own life challenges, always was a bright light in a dark world. Thankfully we can honor his memory here, in cyber space. I've got a feeling the ghost of the "Old Mongose" doesn't hang out in place any longer.

-Rick
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Diego's wife and family
Thanks Frank
There's a lot in that picture. My brother in law,"El Momia". The lone wolf of the family. A dangerous dude,yet fiercely loyal to his sister,my wife,Maria. The matriarch of the family. She gives blind unconditional love and support to all the family. My grand daughter,Amanda. The Flamenco and Ballet dancer who's been dancing for 8 of her 12 years. 4.0 grade average and has a love and understanding of poor people. She enjoys going to Canyon Johnson and seeing everyone. And then our newest great grandson,Angel. Another kid from Canyon Johnson. He's very happy as you can see in that picture. Like Mike Corleone's mother said in The Godfather."All you have in life is your family".

My wife is the strong one. With all her might,she'll want to keep our family together and happy. Above them all is the picture of Jesus at "The Last Supper." Please look after them.
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Rick Farris wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

Took a spin this morning. Was in Southeast San Diego. Decided to drive by Ol' Arch's house. Found out it's a hotel for gay men. How'd that song go? "So Easy To Remember,So Hard To Forget." I wish I could forget about what I saw this morning. Sorry if any of you guys see this and feel shitty like I do.

diego

Image
Sacrilege.

Bennie, thanks for this photo. Nothing is sacred here. You know, they gave "Jeffries Barn" a special historical designation, yet nobody who visits Knott's Berry Farm is enlightened to what the barn once was. Moore was a very special part of San Diego Sports history. He scored more KO's than ANY boxer on record. He helped kids, he lived a healthy positive existence in a tough world. He endured his own life challenges, always was a bright light in a dark world. Thankfully we can honor his memory here, in cyber space. I've got a feeling the ghost of the "Old Mongose" doesn't hang out in place any longer.

-Rick
Rick, this is Diego's photo.
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scartissue wrote:Bennie, I always remembered that quote but didn't know the fight it was attributed to. Thanks, dude. Incidentally, there was one more funny story that happened on your side of the pond in which I'd like to know the participants. It was a story of one fighter taking a licking and he began backpedaling away from his opponent in a circular motion around the ring. When he came to his own corner he peered over his shoulder and yelled to his seconds, "stop the fight", in which they simply yelled back something like, "go get 'em". On the next circular visit to his corner he again yells, "stop the fight", in which they give him a similar response as before. The third time he yells to them, "stop the fight, I won't be around again!" I thought this was hysterical and would love to know who was involved if you recall this.

Scartissue
I have to admit, Scartissue, nothing leaps out at me, possibly Kevin Finnegan giving his trainer Freddie Hill a hard time as usual.
I really don't know.[/quote]

Bennie, for some reason Billy Waith is sticking in my head. But he had so many damn fights, who knows who his opponent was or who said it.

Scartissue[/quote]

Ah, could have been against a young Dave Green in 1976 at light-welterweight. Green started fast, Billy came back into it, and the fight was even-Steven before Green found his second wind and stopped the tiring Welsh craftsman in the 11th.
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Billy Walker
"The Golden Boy"
Golden Boy, indeed. Billy was one of the best 'draws' this country has ever produced. He sold out Wembley countless times and first made his name in the amateurs where he flattened American giant Cornelius Perry in the first round at Wembley in November 1961, on a night Britain famously whitewashed the USA 10-0 (Leotis Martin was boxing at middleweight that night). It was sceened live on the BBC and poor Perry was out for 10 minutes. They paid Billy £9000 to go pro, a fortune in 1961.
Billy released an overdue autobiography last year, which is said to be dynamite. When The Gloves Came Off - The Story of Billy Walker. (Robson Books.)
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Billy Walker
"The Golden Boy"
Golden Boy, indeed. Billy was one of the best 'draws' this country has ever produced. He sold out Wembley countless times and first made his name in the amateurs where he flattened American giant Cornelius Perry in the first round at Wembley in November 1961, on a night Britain famously whitewashed the USA 10-0 (Leotis Martin was boxing at middleweight that night). It was sceened live on the BBC and poor Perry was out for 10 minutes. They paid Billy £9000 to go pro, a fortune in 1961.
Billy released an overdue autobiography last year, which is said to be dynamite. When The Gloves Came Off - The Story of Billy Walker. (Robson Books.)[/quote]

It' a very good book indeed, totally honest about himself and very entertaining.
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Billy never really developed as a pro, in my opinion. His ticket-selling abilities meant he was moved too soon, especially into a pair of bruising 10-rounders with Johnny Prescott. The promoters found themselves in a quandry. When 11,000 fans turn up every time, those fans have to be rewarded with real fights as opposed to low-key learning ones.
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