When will Lance step up.......?

[Ross]

Sataporn Singwancha will be Lances next opponent, an improvement on the last victim who had a 0-7 record, this Thai has won 1 of his last 5 fights, and had won a few before his last fight about a year ago.

I think Lance is one of if not the most talented prospect in Australia but fighting these types of fighters is doing nothing for his development as a fghter or getting him closer to a world title "shot", I say shot for unless his opposition improves he will not have the experence or ablity to win a world title of any sort.

Maybe his management should take a look at the career of Will Kicket as a model for building a fighter, instead they seem to be working from the mundine book of no risk fights.

[toppity]

he has already had his title shot. The WBF........... why can I hear you lauughing? Don't you think that is a 'real' World Title? Well you better tell Guillermo Mosquera that his belt is worth the leather value. What that I hear you ask..."who is Guillermo Mosquera?". He's the bloke who beat lance for the title.

Sorry about that. I like Lance as well. Boxrec has the thai opponent listed with a better record than you quote but I get the point. there is good local talent at or around L-welter. Johny Cotterrill would be a good start, McCullen the next step. Bennet seems to be down the Thai route as well, be he might look local again after his last start. I'd like to see Lance move forward like Cool Willie as well, but then again he might be questioned (not by me) if Gairy towels him up.

[Ross]

he has already had his title shot. The WBF........... why can I hear you lauughing? Don't you think that is a 'real' World Title? Well you better tell Guillermo Mosquera that his belt is worth the leather value. What that I hear you ask..."who is Guillermo Mosquera?". He's the bloke who beat lance for the title.

Sorry about that. I like Lance as well. Boxrec has the thai opponent listed with a better record than you quote but I get the point. there is good local talent at or around L-welter. Johny Cotterrill would be a good start, McCullen the next step. Bennet seems to be down the Thai route as well, be he might look local again after his last start. I'd like to see Lance move forward like Cool Willie as well, but then again he might be questioned (not by me) if Gairy towels him up.

Yes you could hear me laughing about the WBF, and I new who Guillermo was before he KOed Lance, he beat Lovermore a few years ago I think.
I got the Thais record form Boxrec he has a draw and a win in his last 5, withot goung back for another look.
I agree with your assessment in who he cd fight next, I would like to see him win the Australian title as that is a belt to be proud of and would serve as a stepping stone for better fights, IMO fighters should fight the best Aussie opposition before looking overseas.
And win, loss or draw Kicket will be a better fighter for the experience regardless

ross

[toppity]

And win, loss or draw Kicket will be a better fighter for the experience regardless

ross

That's the truth

I don't like how the regional champs aren't allowed to hold the Aussie Title. The best in Australia should be, by self-definition, the Australian Champ. Regardless if he/she is World champ, Regional champ, Commonwealth champ......even WBF champ. It does not matter.

Someone will give the reason's why the sport needs to be it currently is, even the fighters may agree with the current system, but untill there is a logical order of things only hardcore boxing fans will follow the sport.

However, this system means boxers, promoters and all involved will bitch and moan about how hard it is in the industry. This sport will never be mainstream, and lets face it that's where the money is, untill a business man/woman with a solid background in the 'business of entertainment' takes Australian Boxing by the scruff of the neck. Without professional business guidance the industry will remain in the place that lives next door to the doldrums.

Look at what happened to Soccer in the right hands. There is still a lot of latent interest in boxing. Look at the turn-outs for the big fights. That interest needs to be galvanised and directed into dollars at the door, dollars via TV and therefore, inevitably, dollars in the fighter pockets. It can be done............we just need to lose the amateur-hour tag.

[Ross]

And win, loss or draw Kicket will be a better fighter for the experience regardless

ross

That's the truth

I don't like how the regional champs aren't allowed to hold the Aussie Title. The best in Australia should be, by self-definition, the Australian Champ. Regardless if he/she is World champ, Regional champ, Commonwealth champ......even WBF champ. It does not matter.

Someone will give the reason's why the sport needs to be it currently is, even the fighters may agree with the current system, but untill there is a logical order of things only hardcore boxing fans will follow the sport.

However, this system means boxers, promoters and all involved will bitch and moan about how hard it is in the industry. This sport will never be mainstream, and lets face it that's where the money is, untill a business man/woman with a solid background in the 'business of entertainment' takes Australian Boxing by the scruff of the neck. Without professional business guidance the industry will remain in the place that lives next door to the doldrums.

Look at what happened to Soccer in the right hands. There is still a lot of latent interest in boxing. Look at the turn-outs for the big fights. That interest needs to be galvanised and directed into dollars at the door, dollars via TV and therefore, inevitably, dollars in the fighter pockets. It can be done............we just need to lose the amateur-hour tag.

Mate could not agree more, and soccer is a great example as lets be honest its about as interesting and excting as watcing paint dry, in my younger days I would often argue with soccer players about what is more popular, boxing/fighting or soccer. So my challange to them was - lets run into the local night club and spread the word that there was a soccer game on in the car park and see what happened, and the following week end lets run in and say there is a fight in the car park. We did this - soccer game on stunt and nobody moved!!, we didnt have to fake the "fight on in car park" cause there normally was at some stage during the night and it emptied the place, as it always did.

Couldnt help but notice that the "contender" has sparked "contender Asia" Muay Thai and now there is a contender type soccer show.

[razor7]

I'm a big Lance fan but couldn't agree more with the comments posted. His management should look at Kickett & Geale and the way they have been progressed. Lance runs the risk of a Sugar Moey or a ( until recently) Chad Bennett development. He needs to be given sterner tests now.

[broz1002000]

I am Lances manager and can explain what and where he is going. Lances last oppenent had a record of 12-6 going into the fight and then all of a sudden after Lance KOD him the record goes to 0-6 without an explanation, if he had such a bad record we would not have fought him and we knocked back a fighter with 10-5 to take this one ,this is surley not Lances fault
We had tried to fight Dean Byrne for the australian title for over 12 months without success and we have approached every jnr welter in Australia without success, we have tried cotterrill, Onikeki (as late as last week) ,Luxford, McCullen,Bennett and many more with no luck and i have rang Johnny Lewis for Stclair with a reply that they were fighting at a lighter weight, i approaced Kickett this week as well and have had no reply,
Lance is forced to fight overseas oppenents as no one here will fight him, his next oppenent is Sataporn Singwancha who is a former PABA champion and a WBC Asian champion and has fought a former world champion, we approached Daudy Bahari 38-2 who just fought WBO no1 Willie Blain but they declined and we have approached Blain ourselves and this fight is a possibilty,
lance is going along nicely and judge him in 12 months time not by knowing half the story,i could pick holes in everyones records but know that sometimes the best fights dont happen through no fault of the fighter
Lance is no 12 in the WBO and Ray Weatley has nominated him for the IBF Rateings so at least he is in a position to challange when the time is right and he has fought a few more experienced fighters

[AntonS]

Hi Brian
That's now been fixed. Our man in Thailand Scott Mallon brought the matter to our attention. It appears someone had deleted his record. We are investigating as to how this could've happened.
Cheers
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

[Sweet P]

I am Lances manager and can explain what and where he is going. Lances last oppenent had a record of 12-6 going into the fight and then all of a sudden after Lance KOD him the record goes to 0-6 without an explanation, if he had such a bad record we would not have fought him and  we knocked back a fighter with 10-5 to take this one ,this is surley not Lances faultWe had tried to fight Dean Byrne for the australian title for over 12 months without success and we have approached every jnr welter in Australia without success, we have tried cotterrill, Onikeki (as late as last week) ,Luxford, McCullen,Bennett  and many more with no luck and i have rang Johnny Lewis for Stclair with a reply that they were fighting at a lighter weight, i approaced Kickett this week as well and have had no reply,Lance is forced to fight overseas oppenents as no one here will fight  him, his next oppenent is Sataporn Singwancha who is a former PABA champion and a WBC Asian champion and has fought a former world champion, we approached Daudy Bahari 38-2 who just fought WBO no1 Willie Blain but they declined and we have approached Blain ourselves and this fight is a possibilty,lance is going along nicely and judge him in 12 months time not by knowing half the story,i could pick holes in everyones records but know that sometimes the best fights dont happen through no fault of the fighterLance is no 12 in the WBO and Ray Weatley has nominated him for the IBF Rateings so at least he is in a position to challange when the time is right and he has fought a few more experienced fighters

You would think with all that talent  here around Lances weight that at least someone would take the fight. It really makes me think that a lot of our guys just like to protect there winning records and dont want the tough fights. It must make it hard for you as a manager as he really needs the fights that will test him so he dosnt have to take a too bigger step when the time comes to fight some top 15 guys.

[toppity]

I can't speak for everyone, but thanks for posting here. It's always great to see those directly involved tell the story as it is.

Thanks for clearing up the record with regards to his last fight. In light of this Boxrec need to update their stats.

I don't know too much about approaching fighters or their management for fights. I've never done it. Without asking for too many personal details, has there been reasons given for the rejections?

Is it lack of money (or perceived lack of money) for the fights to take place? Some of the fighters named seem to fight regularly, and against similar class opposition. I don't understand why they are avoiding Lance. No disrespect to Lance or his management, but he shouldn't be seen to be a class above the likes of Cotterill, McCullen and Bennet. So I don't understand why they are ducking him. Some feedback would be greatly appreciated.

With regards to Kickett and St Claire, they are obviously focussing on what will be one of the more anticipated fights in Oz for a while. The winner will be looking for bigger things, World Titles one would think. You could excuse them for neglecting Lance for the moment. Time may tell a different story.

We may have half the story, but by answering the above you may help people like myself (not directly involved in the industry) understand the situation a little better.

once again thanks for replying. and all the best for yourself and Lance. You will see that this forum is all for aspiring 'can do' style fighters.

[Ross]

I am Lances manager and can explain what and where he is going. Lances last oppenent had a record of 12-6 going into the fight and then all of a sudden after Lance KOD him the record goes to 0-6 without an explanation, if he had such a bad record we would not have fought him and we knocked back a fighter with 10-5 to take this one ,this is surley not Lances fault
We had tried to fight Dean Byrne for the australian title for over 12 months without success and we have approached every jnr welter in Australia without success, we have tried cotterrill, Onikeki (as late as last week) ,Luxford, McCullen,Bennett and many more with no luck and i have rang Johnny Lewis for Stclair with a reply that they were fighting at a lighter weight, i approaced Kickett this week as well and have had no reply,
Lance is forced to fight overseas oppenents as no one here will fight him, his next oppenent is Sataporn Singwancha who is a former PABA champion and a WBC Asian champion and has fought a former world champion, we approached Daudy Bahari 38-2 who just fought WBO no1 Willie Blain but they declined and we have approached Blain ourselves and this fight is a possibilty,
lance is going along nicely and judge him in 12 months time not by knowing half the story,i could pick holes in everyones records but know that sometimes the best fights dont happen through no fault of the fighter
Lance is no 12 in the WBO and Ray Weatley has nominated him for the IBF Rateings so at least he is in a position to challange when the time is right and he has fought a few more experienced fighters

thank you

[razor7]

Thanks for the response Brian. Your average fan like me only knows what they see and hear so your explanation was great. Does Lance have any decent sponsors who could maybe bring out some experienced Yank say in the 50- 100 boxrec rankings where they might not cost as much but would provide the kind of graded step up that Lance needs ?

[razor7]

Lance currently rates in the 80's with boxrec.Here's some names that might fit the post I made above. 1.Lenin ARROYO br. no. 56 (21-6 only 4 ko's) costa rica.2 Pablo GADDOY BR. NO.85 (16-4) arg.3 Derek Samuels br. no.88 (15-3) usa.4 Juan Gadoy br.91 ( 21-11) arg. 5 Jesus Rodrigues br. no. 70 (19-3 only 4 ko's) usa. In that range are Mosquera., Chad Bennett, Chris Mc Cullen and Emanuel Augustus though he could be dangerous.I know Mosquera was tried again & the others have probably dodged Lance.The gang of 5 above ,one would think would not be overpriced and should provide the kind of step we'd all like to see Lance take. Your comments Brian as you would understand how this plays out better than me?

[broz1002000]

Lances next oppenent is Sataporn Singwancha a tough thai that was former paba and wbc asian champion with a record of 17w 5L and after this steps up to the hardest fight of his career with world no 30 Prawet Singwancha 30w 3L and his last 2 fights were for world titles for a loss and a draw After these 2 fights we will be in position to know just where Lance is heading and prehaps a fight with WBO no 1 willie blain
I agree that there is no use fighting easy fights then stepping up and getting beat so a gradual increase in quality of oppenents is the way to go, like i said judge him in 12 months time
we would love to fight some of the south americans out there but they usually want $6000 plus per fight plus airfares of $8000 plus sanction fees of $4000 etc means that they price themselves out of the fight we will fight Mosquera again just to clear th record in the first fight lance was 8 points ahead going into the last round when he got vasaline in his eye and could not see and got caught so revenge will be good
finally the thing about Lance is he is a champion bloke and a nicer person you will not meet

[Ross]

Lances next oppenent is Sataporn Singwancha a tough thai that was former paba and wbc asian champion with a record of 17w 5L and after this steps up to the hardest fight of his career with world no 30 Prawet Singwancha 30w 3L and his last 2 fights were for world titles for a loss and a draw After these 2 fights we will be in position to know just where Lance is heading and prehaps a fight with WBO no 1 willie blain
I agree that there is no use fighting easy fights then stepping up and getting beat so a gradual increase in quality of oppenents is the way to go, like i said judge him in 12 months time
we would love to fight some of the south americans out there but they usually want $6000 plus per fight plus airfares of $8000 plus sanction fees of $4000 etc means that they price themselves out of the fight we will fight Mosquera again just to clear th record in the first fight lance was 8 points ahead going into the last round when he got vasaline in his eye and could not see and got caught so revenge will be good
finally the thing about Lance is he is a champion bloke and a nicer person you will not meet

Good stuff mate, your righ about Lance he is a Champion bloke and a really nice bloke, a few years ago he was named the Australia Day Sportmans of the Year by the Mareeba Shire for his sporting ability and commitment to the shire.

Can I ask why no Ausralian title fight? is that a plan for the future pick up the National title ?

ross

[broz1002000]

Hi Ross, Lance has held the IBF Australisan title for the last few years which make him inelligible to fight for the australian title, at one stage we were willing to vacate this to fight for the australian title but could not get the fight agreed to and moved on now to take the WBO Oriental and world ranking
Most of australias best fighters are now going to regional titles and just bescause you hold an australian title does not mean you are the best in australia

[toppity]

Most of australias best fighters are now going to regional titles and just bescause you hold an australian title does not mean you are the best in australia

That's the truth. And it's very sad as well.

[Ross]

Hi Ross, Lance has held the IBF Australisan title for the last few years which make him inelligible to fight for the australian title, at one stage we were willing to vacate this to fight for the australian title but could not get the fight agreed to and moved on now to take the WBO Oriental and world ranking
Most of australias best fighters are now going to regional titles and just bescause you hold an australian title does not mean you are the best in australia

Thanks for the explanation - that is ridiculous, I thought that sort of stupidity was confide to the ameteur ranks

ross