Tyson Vs Seldon

[Robinson]

Those two shots landed before each knock down.

The first one, Tyson lands on the top of the head. Watch Tyson's
elbow forearm compress on the shot.

the second one, watch the hook tag Seldon's jaw from the over head
camera view.

I had only seen this fight once and bought into the theories as such
as I was going on memory,

BUT having re-watched in real time, slow motion and from the different
angles offered on the version I have.

Seldon was really hit.


Theories abound and all that but hey...good for those theorists.

Seldon had a great jab. Tyson has such superb power.

[My2Sense]

All I know is, the sh*t was running down Seldon's trunks on his way to the ring. If he didn't deliberately throw the fight, it might have well have amounted to that.

Was he scared? Was he paid? My answer is... what's the difference?? In the end, he was a mockery of a champion all the same.

[Robinson]

Alot of guys get scared before a fight...especially a big one.

Whats wrong with fear ?

Have you ever felt fear before any of your fights. The fact
remains that while he was scared, he still got between those
ropes.

Was he paid to LOSE...well I have no idea. You know this for
a fact ?

If so please fill me in.

[Flump]

I don't think anybody thinks Seldon was paid to throw the fight, I mean the amount of people who thought he had a chance of lasting 5 rounds going in could be counted on the fingers of a snake so why pay him off to do what he was always going to do, i.e hit the canvas.

The guy just shit himself and didn't want to get hurt, simple as that. As soon as he felt a gust of wind from one of Tyson's shots he was down, his ham acting wobbling in the corner after the second knockdown was laughable. Seldon let himself down and ripped off the public.

[Robinson]

The fact is that he was hit with two real shots.

Contray to what I have read on here by SOME posters,
suggesting that he went down to a missed left hook.

As for the effects of those shots and the acting,
I dont know. It did look odd.

Being scared of being KO'd or losing does not over ride
the fact that he still walked into the ring and threw real
punches.

Im not a Seldon fan. Just responding to what I have read
here.. I forget on what thread.

I just managed to rewatch the fight is all.

Kym

[observer1]

I personally don't believe it was "Fixed". IMO Seldon was just petrified to even be there, he may well have been hit, but his Mental state obviously made it appear 10X more worse than it was.

What was the story about Seldon crying before/after this fight?

[zslayton]

The fact is that he was hit with two real shots.

Contray to what I have read on here by SOME posters,
suggesting that he went down to a missed left hook.

As for the effects of those shots and the acting,
I dont know. It did look odd.

Being scared of being KO'd or losing does not over ride
the fact that he still walked into the ring and threw real
punches.

Im not a Seldon fan. Just responding to what I have read
here.. I forget on what thread.

I just managed to rewatch the fight is all.

Kym

I GO OFF MEMORY WITH THIS FIGHT TOO BECAUSE I COULDN'T STAND TO WATCH 'THE ATLANTIC CITY EXPRESS' GO OUT LIKE THIS SINCE HE IS ONE OF THE FIGHTERS I PULLED FOR. I DON'T THINK HE TOOK A DIVE. I THINK HE WAS A VICTIM OF WHAT SO MANY OTHERS FELL VICTIM TO WHEN FACING TYSON. FEAR! IT IS TALKED ABOUT SO OFTEN HOW TYSON WON SO MANY FIGHTS BEFORE THE SOUND OF THE FIRST BELL. I DON'T THINK HE THREW THE FIGHT. HE MADE A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE SO WHY THROW IT?

I DON'T THINK HE WOULD HAVE WON THIS FIGHT ANYWAY, BUT I THINK HE COULD HAVE BE A LITTLE MORE COMPETITIVE IF HE WOULD HAVE JUST MOVED AND STUCK HIS JAB IN MIKE'S FACE FOR A WHILE. HE HAD A PISTON LIKE JAB AND COULD HAVE BOUGHT SOME TIME OR GOTTEN SOME RESPECT WITH IT.

BUT IT IS NEVER TO LATE! THE ATLANTIC CITY EXPRESS IS ON THE COMEBACK TRAIL! UNTIL HE RUNS IN TO THE NEXT TYE FIELDS OR GERALD NOBLES.

[Robinson]

He was sticking it and well you are right he did seem scared. But that is
normal I suppose.

In any case, I made the thread in response to that claim that Tyson missed
the punch that KO'd Seldon.

Seldon was interesting and entertaining a fighter. Not a great but fun to
watch.

How old is he now ?

[Jaybee From The Castle]

Alot of guys get scared before a fight...especially a big one.

Whats wrong with fear ?

Ohhhhhh, uhmmmm, now let me see...

Ah yes, that's it. It FUCKS UP YOUR ABILITY TO FIGHT. Yes, yes I'm sure I read that somewhere on Page 1 of "The Martian Guide to Impersonating a Human Male"

Have you ever felt fear before any of your fights. The fact
remains that while he was scared, he still got between those
ropes.

A couple of small butterflies in the dressing room is one thing; a look of being about to burst into tears, as you climb through the ropes, is another.

Was he paid to LOSE...well I have no idea. You know this for
a fact ?

If so please fill me in.

Got any PROOF he didn't? No, of course you don't. These are all just words on a screen.

[Robinson]

Alot of guys get scared before a fight...especially a big one.

Whats wrong with fear ?

Ohhhhhh, uhmmmm, now let me see...

Ah yes, that's it. It FUCKS UP YOUR ABILITY TO FIGHT. Yes, yes I'm sure I read that somewhere on Page 1 of "The Martian Guide to Impersonating a Human Male"

Have you ever felt fear before any of your fights. The fact
remains that while he was scared, he still got between those
ropes.

A couple of small butterflies in the dressing room is one thing; a look of being about to burst into tears, as you climb through the ropes, is another.

Was he paid to LOSE...well I have no idea. You know this for
a fact ?

If so please fill me in.

Got any PROOF he didn't? No, of course you don't. These are all just words on a screen.

Have you felt scared before any of your fights ?

I was in the change rooms with a guy who was crying, saying prayers and going to the toilet
nearly every ten minutes. He barely warmed up, a real mess. He went out there and won
a tough decision. He was scared 'shitless' though he still managed to pull of the win.

As for him being paid to lose....why ????? seriously... why would you bother.

Your a special kinda guy

[dempseyfire]

Alot of guys get scared before a fight...especially a big one.

Whats wrong with fear ?

Ohhhhhh, uhmmmm, now let me see...

Ah yes, that's it. It FUCKS UP YOUR ABILITY TO FIGHT. Yes, yes I'm sure I read that somewhere on Page 1 of "The Martian Guide to Impersonating a Human Male"

Have you ever felt fear before any of your fights. The fact
remains that while he was scared, he still got between those
ropes.

A couple of small butterflies in the dressing room is one thing; a look of being about to burst into tears, as you climb through the ropes, is another.

Was he paid to LOSE...well I have no idea. You know this for
a fact ?

If so please fill me in.

Got any PROOF he didn't? No, of course you don't. These are all just words on a screen.

The burden of proof is on the person making the conspiracy theory ie Seldon took a dive.

It's great how some armchair fans are the best judges of how damaging a punch really was.

Seldon WAS hit. Enough to knock him out and/or paralyze him with fear. Apparently yes.

And btw, why in the hell would Seldon take a dive when so many people were already betting on an early KO? The return would've been shit.

[Flump]

Alot of guys get scared before a fight...especially a big one.

Whats wrong with fear ?

Ohhhhhh, uhmmmm, now let me see...

Ah yes, that's it. It FUCKS UP YOUR ABILITY TO FIGHT. Yes, yes I'm sure I read that somewhere on Page 1 of "The Martian Guide to Impersonating a Human Male"

Have you ever felt fear before any of your fights. The fact
remains that while he was scared, he still got between those
ropes.

A couple of small butterflies in the dressing room is one thing; a look of being about to burst into tears, as you climb through the ropes, is another.

Was he paid to LOSE...well I have no idea. You know this for
a fact ?

If so please fill me in.

Got any PROOF he didn't? No, of course you don't. These are all just words on a screen.

The burden of proof is on the person making the conspiracy theory ie Seldon took a dive.

It's great how some armchair fans are the best judges of how damaging a punch really was.

Seldon WAS hit. Enough to knock him out and/or paralyze him with fear. Apparently yes.

And btw, why in the hell would Seldon take a dive when so many people were already betting on an early KO? The return would've been shit.

Does anybody out there actually believe that Seldon took a dive for any reason other than he was afraid of getting properly hurt?!

[overhand_right]

Tyson was considered top dog once again after his spectacularly brutal beating of Frank Bruno-- no one really gave Seldon a shot of winning, certainly no one would have needed to pay him to go down.

The right hand that put him down first, anyone can see thats a glancing shot and he decided to accept the count.

The second time he was hit with a decent left hook, nothing devastating, and when he got up he seemed fine - until Richard Steele seemed like he was going to send him back out there. Thats when he had his 'fainting' attack.

It just seems a very talented respectable fighter who always had confidence issues fell apart and gave into his fear against Tyson. He just didn't believe he could win or want to take any of Tysons shots.

He showed some true grit and heart for most of his Gerald Nobles fight though.

[Robinson]

No dis honor in tapping out.

[zslayton]

Tyson was considered top dog once again after his spectacularly brutal beating of Frank Bruno-- no one really gave Seldon a shot of winning, certainly no one would have needed to pay him to go down.

The right hand that put him down first, anyone can see thats a glancing shot and he decided to accept the count.

The second time he was hit with a decent left hook, nothing devastating, and when he got up he seemed fine - until Richard Steele seemed like he was going to send him back out there. Thats when he had his 'fainting' attack.

It just seems a very talented respectable fighter who always had confidence issues fell apart and gave into his fear against Tyson. He just didn't believe he could win or want to take any of Tysons shots.

He showed some true grit and heart for most of his Gerald Nobles fight though.

I thought he was doing enough to be ahead in the Nobles fight. Plus he had floored Nobles one time in that fight if I remember correct, but Nobles wouldn't go away and eventually, Seldon started to fade. Then Nobles thumbed him in the eye and Seldon quit.

[My2Sense]

Alot of guys get scared before a fight...especially a big one.

Whats wrong with fear ?

Have you ever felt fear before any of your fights. The fact
remains that while he was scared, he still got between those
ropes.

Was he paid to LOSE...well I have no idea. You know this for
a fact ?

If so please fill me in.

He had to climb through the ropes, if he was going to get his paycheck.

What's wrong with fear, you ask? The guy's legs were so unbelievably jittery, he had trouble standing up even before he was ever hit. There's no benefit whatsoever that comes from that.

And I don't agree that the first punch landed solidly. It was a glancing blow, and it was partially deflected by his glove on top of that. Seldon went down because his legs were already so shaky and he was ready to be felled by just about anything. Even Tyson himself looked surprised to see Seldon go down, and he admitted in the post fight interviews that he didn't really catch Seldon solidly.

[Robinson]

Thanks for your insight M2sense. Im a better person for taking it on
board.

No doubt.

[Jaclem]

....benny leonard said he'd much rather fight a guy without fear than one who had it. the guy with the guts would show little defense and make mistakes, wheras the fighter with a touch of fear...(he counted himself as one) would use his head and be a more disciplined opponent.

[Syntax Error]

Alot of guys get scared before a fight...especially a big one.

Whats wrong with fear ?

Have you ever felt fear before any of your fights. The fact
remains that while he was scared, he still got between those
ropes.

Was he paid to LOSE...well I have no idea. You know this for
a fact ?

If so please fill me in.

He had to climb through the ropes, if he was going to get his paycheck.

What's wrong with fear, you ask? The guy's legs were so unbelievably jittery, he had trouble standing up even before he was ever hit. There's no benefit whatsoever that comes from that.

And I don't agree that the first punch landed solidly. It was a glancing blow, and it was partially deflected by his glove on top of that. Seldon went down because his legs were already so shaky and he was ready to be felled by just about anything. Even Tyson himself looked surprised to see Seldon go down, and he admitted in the post fight interviews that he didn't really catch Seldon solidly.

I agree with this.

I can't have that 1st punch as being a solid shot; it was definitely a glancing blow IMO.

Seldon just bottled it big time & his rubbery legs that forced the stoppage were almost laughable.

[Robinson]

M2sense knows all