MMA VS. BOXING

USABOX · Post by **USABOX** » 22 Jun 2008, 01:44

This have been a pretty hot topic between MMA and Boxing, and i was just wondering on what everybody thinks is going to happen. will MMA over take boxing, will it effect Amateur boxing in the future?

therealPunchDrunk · Post by **therealPunchDrunk** » 22 Jun 2008, 05:46

As long as amateur boxing is Olympic boxing, I think it'll be just fine. Staying on the Olympic program is the crucial factor for amateur boxing IMO.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 22 Jun 2008, 12:29

MMA is a pro sport; amateur boxing is an amateur sport. MMA, along with pro boxing, is a totally different sport than amateur boxing. Amateur MMA, if there is such a thing, could try for inclusion in the Olympic Games, however it still wouldn't "take over" amateur boxing - again, totally different sport.

Puncher7 · Post by **Puncher7** » 22 Jun 2008, 17:14

yes but he means take over in terms of popularity...
oh and fyi, there IS such a thing as amateur mma

therealPunchDrunk · Post by **therealPunchDrunk** » 22 Jun 2008, 17:30

Puncher7 wrote:yes but he means take over in terms of popularity...
oh and fyi, there IS such a thing as amateur mma

Well, amateur boxing hardly has any popularity to lose outside of the exposure at the Olympics, and MMA can't compete with the Olympics during that period, onced every four years. I don't see amateur MMA making the Olympic program anytime soon.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 22 Jun 2008, 17:53

fyi, there IS such a thing as amateur mma

Can you tell me where I can find information on amateur MMA? Do they have a web site?

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 23 Jun 2008, 07:59

There's "amateur" MMA in Indiana but it's not regulated like everything else MMA.

Puncher7 · Post by **Puncher7** » 23 Jun 2008, 09:21

boxmel wrote:
fyi, there IS such a thing as amateur mma
Can you tell me where I can find information on amateur MMA? Do they have a web site?

Unlike USA Boxing in the USA, there is not one premier organization...
But there are lots of different websites for various organizations out there.
http://www.iscfmma.com/ I believe this is one of the larger more global organizations
http://www.texasfighter.org/
is another amateur mma organization here in texas and in my opinion one of the better organized..
There are way more than this though

Puncher7 · Post by **Puncher7** » 23 Jun 2008, 09:32

therealPunchDrunk wrote:
Puncher7 wrote:yes but he means take over in terms of popularity...
oh and fyi, there IS such a thing as amateur mma
Well, amateur boxing hardly has any popularity to lose outside of the exposure at the Olympics, and MMA can't compete with the Olympics during that period, onced every four years. I don't see amateur MMA making the Olympic program anytime soon.

Yep you're right about that. and another thing in most places you cant even fight amateur mma until you're 18, so you wont have as many guys fighting since they were 8 and be on an elite level..
Of course you could still have kids who have been doing jiu jit su and wrestling since they were 8 who will fight mma when they turn 18, but they wont have any actual mma competition experience until they are 18.
Most people don't have very many amateur mma fights before turning pro, but the ones who do are usually more successful.
At this stage, it would be hard to determine how the athletes were selected for the olympics if mma were to be an olympic sport.

zojo · Post by **zojo** » 25 Jun 2008, 07:02

Yes, there are amateur MMA shows. Some states require you to have a few amateur fights before going pro. In theory this sounds good. However, that also leads to some pretty tough mismatches. For instance, a guy like Phil Davis (just won a NCAA wrestling championship) made his amateur debut this past weekend. He made it against a guy that lost his only other fight and was simply outclasses and beaten easily. Compare that fight to a seasoned amateur boxer fighting a guy who enters "toughmen" competitions. Phil obviously has some skills to go pro, so let the guys who want to fight amateur simply for the glory and the pride have their day instead of being fodder for seasoned national champions, black belts in BJJ and experienced boxers.

In regards to the Olympics: MMA will not be in the Olympics any time soon. To be considered for the Olympics, there needs to be a large percentage of countries in the world (or at least who are members of the IOC) who practice said sport to make it in the Olympics. This is why guys who want to see American football in the Olympics are disappointed.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Jun 2008, 08:46

In regards to the Olympics: MMA will not be in the Olympics any time soon. To be considered for the Olympics, there needs to be a large percentage of countries in the world (or at least who are members of the IOC) who practice said sport to make it in the Olympics.

In addition to a National Governing Body and an international rules body, such as AIBA or FIFA.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 25 Jun 2008, 18:13

Mel there is amateur MMA in Michigan too. I'm not sure if it is regulated at all. I was a commentator at an event during this past winter so I was able to see it up close.

MMA is a different sport than boxing. Can good amateur boxers succeed in MMA? Yes. So can average amateur boxers. However, they had better know how to wrestle or have some other type of ground skills.

In MMA, an athlete with tons of wrestling, boxing, or martial arts experience can go up against someone with no "fighting" skills. The same thing can happen in boxing. Amateur boxing does not discriminate against athletes with prior wrestling, MMA or martial arts (BJJ, Muay Thai, etc.) experience. If an athlete has never competed in amateur boxing, he or she can enter as a novice (assuming age 17-34) boxer no matter how much of the other "combat" experience they have.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 25 Jun 2008, 18:32

Mel

If you need more info about MMA, you could just ask Jimmy Zimmerman. I know you know him since he is from California and was a ranked amateur boxer for several years. Jimmy has been doing amateur MMA (in California I believe) for a year or two now. He had a lot of boxing experience before starting his amateur MMA career. I think he wants to be a pro MMA fighter, but is trying to learn the new skills he will need to know. Striking skills are important and can win many bouts, but you will get choked out if you can't defend yourself on the ground.

Why is MMA so popular? I think it is the closest thing to street fighting so a lot of regular people can relate. It is also still in the infancy stage as a sport and therefore a person can enter the sport with little to no experience and climb the ranks quickly. However, the skills needed to succeed will continue to increase as the sport matures until you reach a point where you will typically need a ton of experience to succeed just like in boxing.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Jun 2008, 18:35

If you need more info about MMA, you could just ask Jimmy Zimmerman. I know you know him since he is from California and was a ranked amateur boxer for several years.

He's from Northern California and I don't know him personally.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 25 Jun 2008, 23:23

Mel - I knew that you would know of him.

Just to set the record straight. I like boxing much better than MMA. I like both amateur and pro boxing. They are almost like two different sports!

Canada · Post by **Canada** » 25 Jun 2008, 23:36

In alot of places Amatuer MMA is the same as the pros. No headgear, the same rules as pro, but they dont get paid.

Dreem · Post by **Dreem** » 29 Jun 2008, 19:27

Boxing will always rule it's a lot more technical especially when you only have two weapons!

MMA VS. BOXING

MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING

Re: MMA VS. BOXING