Classic American West Coast Boxing

[bennie]

Henry Cooper & Joe Bugner

'Enery looks his age in that pic. But he still should have got the verdict.

Have always had a soft spot for Henry Gooper. A fine gentleman and a great left hooker His hook came over the top..Hit Ali the hardest ever when Ali was in his prime. Quick thinking Dundee came to his rescue. Too bad Henry was a bleeder. He may have been a chamo. What a good natured man. Fine sport after losing. May sound funny,but I looked forward to see Henry lose to see what sportsmanship was all about. Feel bad about him losing his Italian wife. She had to see the kindness and sincerity in the man.

Have a picture of him as a ¨green grocer ¨selling a pear to a little old lady in London. They both look like thet are enjoying the moment.

Yes, there's no doubt that left hook of his was tasty. He was catching Clay with it all night.
Ali steered well clear of it in the rematch.

[dagosd2000]

Frank,
How´d the surgery go? Connie OK? Frank,are there any females around to look after you´re wife? The reason I bring this up is that females tend to the sick better than men. Long ago after a big battle,Florence Nitingale was walking around the battlefield and heard all the wounded soldiers moaning and groaning. They were asking for their mothers. That´s what made good ól Florence come up with the idea of the Red Cross. She figured the wounded would have a better chance of recovering if there were women to look after them(nurses). Females are full of love and softness and compassion. And they look nice. The results were dramatic. The wounded recovered much faster with nurses around to pamper them and understand their needs. Frank,I don´t think you and me are the soft nurturing types. If we were nurses,the patients would all go comatose not to look at us anymore. That´s why I´m asking. Is there a daughter in law,a female cousin,an aunt,a sister in law,a mistress. Any female who can get Connie on the road back to recovery. One time I was going to get my knee operated on from a football injury. They had me prepped in the bed with the gown on. In comes this Philippino dude who tells me he´s going to be my nurse. Well I lowered my flagpole and cancelled the surgery.No way that guy was going to give me a sponge bath.

[dagosd2000]

Frank
You mentioned something about Connie being compuer ignorant. Consider yourself lucky. My wife can´t read or write. I consider it a virtue. Words do nothing but cause more problems. They´re used to confuse and manipulate people. Someone said the ¨Apocolypse ¨started with the first printed word. I think this guy was on to something. Example: Since my wife can´t read, she can´t read the bank statements. She can´t read how I move money around so I can continue my lifestyle of debauchery and just plain old fun. I also don´t have to worry about her reading any emails about what I just said .

[dagosd2000]

Before I sign off I want to comment on how well Europeans are informed. More than Americans. After dwelling on this,I´ve concluded it´s from the type of news programs they have over here. Not to say that American news programs are less informative,it´s just the way Europeans present the news.

Here in the U.S. we get our news from reporters like Morley Safer and Roger Mudd. Well if nothing is going on,I´m switching to Nick At Night and watching Bay Watch reruns. In Europe they have these earthy and sultry type of female newscasters. Pretty eye appealing. Imagine a young Sophia Loren in something low cut with a close up shot delivering the current events? Then when she wants to emphasize,she leans on the news desk with her war heads resting there and the cleavage opening up. I´ll tell you I´d know everything from from the Dow Jones Industrial to all the principle products of every state in the union.

Katie Couric,forget trying to compete with those men newscasters on their level. Get some bigger war heads,dress in something low,let the hair grow long. What we need in the U.S.. is more earthy news reporters.

Same holds true for the weather girls. Our weather girls are straight up and down and in business suits. I don´t care about the weather anyway. But imagine a young Gina Lolabrigida in something tight with her war heads blocking out half of Europe. I´d be looking at those mountain ranges and pressure areas for sure.

[dagosd2000]

Didn´t mean to disrespect the weather report. You never know. If you´re not paying attention you could step outside into a tornado and wind up in the Land Of Oz. Instead of Dorothy and Toto,could you imagine Frank and Chata up there? Frank would be looking around for a weekly fight card. From I remember about that movie,there wasn´t much of that. Just a lot of munchkins and other strange creatures like talking scarecrows. I don´t know. Boxing is dying out down here.Maybe boxing would be a big draw in the Land Of Oz.

Hey Frank
Watch the weather report tonight and find us some tornados.

[kikibalt]

Frank,
How´d the surgery go? Connie OK? Frank,are there any females around to look after you´re wife? The reason I bring this up is that females tend to the sick better than men. Long ago after a big battle,Florence Nitingale was walking around the battlefield and heard all the wounded soldiers moaning and groaning. They were asking for their mothers. That´s what made good ól Florence come up with the idea of the Red Cross. She figured the wounded would have a better chance of recovering if there were women to look after them(nurses). Females are full of love and softness and compassion. And they look nice. The results were dramatic. The wounded recovered much faster with nurses around to pamper them and understand their needs. Frank,I don´t think you and me are the soft nurturing types. If we were nurses,the patients would all go comatose not to look at us anymore. That´s why I´m asking. Is there a daughter in law,a female cousin,an aunt,a sister in law,a mistress. Any female who can get Connie on the road back to recovery. One time I was going to get my knee operated on from a football injury. They had me prepped in the bed with the gown on. In comes this Philippino dude who tells me he´s going to be my nurse. Well I lowered my flagpole and cancelled the surgery.No way that guy was going to give me a sponge bath.

Connie had surgery last nite, she is in the hospital right now, the doctor said she could come home about noon today, he also said the surgery went well.

diego, the only woman in the family that can help me with Connie is our daughter Linda, and she too has a hard time getting around, because of her right leg, which after surgery for cancer was left useless, but everything will work out in the end, I'm sure.

[Boxingnut]

Unknown, John Conteh & Joe Bugner

Is the Unknown Danny McAlinden perhaps?

Les Stevens.

Cheers Bennie.

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Frank
You mentioned something about Connie being compuer ignorant. Consider yourself lucky. My wife can´t read or write. I consider it a virtue. Words do nothing but cause more problems. They´re used to confuse and manipulate people. Someone said the ¨Apocolypse ¨started with the first printed word. I think this guy was on to something. Example: Since my wife can´t read, she can´t read the bank statements. She can´t read how I move money around so I can continue my lifestyle of debauchery and just plain old fun. I also don´t have to worry about her reading any emails about what I just said .

Connie just don't want to learn the computer, she doesn't even know how to turn it on or off, had a hard time getting her to learn how to work her cell phone, she just don't like what she calls my toys, Connie was real young when we got married, so she didn't have much of high school, but these lady can read and write, and can she spell, I'm always asking her, how do you spell so and so word.

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Henry Cooper & Billy Walker

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Henry Cooper vs Brian London

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Karl Mildenberger

[dagosd2000]

I played a lot of American football in my life,but I´ll never forget the first time I got into a boxing ring and put on the gloves. It was against a beginning Ken Norton. He had just turned pro after boxing in the Marine Corps. I sparred with him 3 times. The first time he broke my nose. The last time he broke my ear drum. I guess the 2nd time you could call a moral victory for me because he didn´t break anything on my body.

One of the many reasons I like to stay with this thread is that the posters have respect for fighters and many know what it was like to have climbed in there. Some of these other threads have a lot of guys taking liberties with the fighters´. Questioning their courage. Belittling their performances. Taking slights on their manhood.

Like I said I played a lot of football. After sparring with Norton and working out with some of the other heavyweights in San Diego,I won´t call anybody who´s tried to make a living with boxing ¨a bum ¨. Fighters don´t climb into the ring wearing helmets and shoulder pads.

[dagosd2000]

It´s got to be scary for some of these ex fighters who have now developed physical deterioration not having health insurance. I saw some of those guys at the April luncheon in commerce. Some of them need a lot of care and treatment. That´s a lot of dough that they don´t have.

[bennie]

Karl Mildenberger

The first southpaw to challenge for the world heavyweight title.

[Rick Farris]

Frank, I hope Connie feels better soon. Last time I remember seeing her was in the late 60's, attending a Jr. GG's card at the Teamsters Gym. Ironically, today we were shooting the TV series I work on (The Cleaner) right on the corner of 7th & Stanford St. downtown. At lunch, I walked down the block and went inside the old Teamsters Union Hall, where the gym was once located. Today, the gym floor consists of office cubicals and I wasn't able to enter to go downstairs into the basement. Man, reading your memories is kinda like hearing those old walls speak. The first boxing match I ever had was in that building in the mid-60's and you were the matchmaker! Maybe the ghost of Keeny Teran was in the house? Who knows?

-Rick

Rick,

I was at the Teamsters about a year ago, a guy there let me in to look around, there're still pics. and trophies in well cases, and ghosts? I was expecting to see Louie J., Joe Kelly, the De La Fuente's, Hoyt Porter,Gil Cadilli, and yes Keeny too.

What a trip dowm memory lane that was, I felt like I was 18 years old again.

Speaking of memory lane. I went into Jerome´s Furniture Warehouse before I left. It was the old Coliseum. The old man(Jerome Navarro) put up pictures in the main entrance of Archie Moore,Ken Norton,Freddie Blassie,and memorabilia like a pair of Archie´s boxing trunks. The place is just used for storage. Nothing else. They want to sell the building and make condos. Go ahead. It´s either condos or a parking lot. Better than a hotel for gay men.


BTW. Rick,what are you doing shooting on the corner of 7th and Stanford Streets? Doesn´t LA. have enough crime and violence? I thought this was a family thread. Me and Frank are really disappointed. We go out to 7th and Stanford and fight with our fists. No need for shooting.

[bennie]

Henry Cooper & Billy Walker

Henry had a great relationship with manager Jim "The Bishop" Wicks, who allied himself to no single promoter and fought tooth and nail for the biggest purse for his man - the kind of manager you just don't see today.

[bennie]

Unknown, John Conteh & Joe Bugner

Not sure if the American boys know this, and they probably do, but it was Muhammad Ali who helped Conteh win a world title. Conteh turned pro at heavyweight and fought on the Ali-Bugner card in Las Vegas in 1973 at heavyweight, where he stopped former world title challenger Terry Daniels in seven rounds. Ali watched the fight and told Conteh he had great ability but was just too small for the heavies. Conteh dropped down, and a year later was world champ.

[bennie]

Unknown, John Conteh & Joe Bugner

Not sure if the American boys know this, and they probably do, but it was Muhammad Ali who helped Conteh win a world title. Conteh turned pro at heavyweight and fought on the Ali-Bugner card in Las Vegas in 1973 at heavyweight, where he stopped former world title challenger Terry Daniels in seven rounds. Ali watched the fight and told Conteh he had great ability but was just too small for the heavies. Conteh dropped down, and a year later was world champ.

This pic sums up Bugner, for me. Conteh and Stevens (who actually fought each other) look the part; Bugner looks like he wants to be somewhere else.
Bugner was always a businessman who just happened to box.

[bennie]

I remember something Archie Moore used to say when it came to discussing boxing. He said he got it from Sam Langford. It was about where to hit an opponent. Archie used to say that if you could find during the fight where your opponent felt the most pain when a punch landed,then work that area. Moore said he´d listen for a fighter to wince or groan from a particular punch. When he got that signal,then he´d focus there. Archie said sometimes fighters hit an opponent repeatedly in one particular spot not causing much damage. Moore said one time he was fighting a guy early in his career and was landing everything. Nothing. Then he said he got into a clinch and tapped the guy on top of the head. The guy moaned. Archie went for the top of his skull again and the guy was out cold.

I sure do miss that guy.

This post is priceless.

[Rick Farris]

Frank
You mentioned something about Connie being compuer ignorant. Consider yourself lucky. My wife can´t read or write. I consider it a virtue. Words do nothing but cause more problems. They´re used to confuse and manipulate people. Someone said the ¨Apocolypse ¨started with the first printed word. I think this guy was on to something. Example: Since my wife can´t read, she can´t read the bank statements. She can´t read how I move money around so I can continue my lifestyle of debauchery and just plain old fun. I also don´t have to worry about her reading any emails about what I just said .

Dagos . . . You are a lucky man, amigo. I can't get anything by my wife. By the way, I have responded to a couple of your posts but when I've pressed the "submit" button, it all goes away. Like Connie, I too am computor ignorant. I'll try to blame it on the new formatting of this forum, however, in reality I must take the hit as a cyber moron

-Rick

[Rick Farris]

I remember something Archie Moore used to say when it came to discussing boxing. He said he got it from Sam Langford. It was about where to hit an opponent. Archie used to say that if you could find during the fight where your opponent felt the most pain when a punch landed,then work that area. Moore said he´d listen for a fighter to wince or groan from a particular punch. When he got that signal,then he´d focus there. Archie said sometimes fighters hit an opponent repeatedly in one particular spot not causing much damage. Moore said one time he was fighting a guy early in his career and was landing everything. Nothing. Then he said he got into a clinch and tapped the guy on top of the head. The guy moaned. Archie went for the top of his skull again and the guy was out cold.

I sure do miss that guy.

This post is priceless.

AMEN!

-Rick

[kikibalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yA3dwFl65I
"Dollar Dance Medley"
The Armenta Brothers

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcnUPSAunXw

"Bringing Back The Memories"
The Armenta Brothers

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Doug Jones and his wife Shirley following his controversial loss to Cassius Clay of a ten round decision. Clay later to be Muhammad Ali never fought Doug Jones again.

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Billy Conn vs Melio Bettina

Forbes Field, Pittsburgh, Pennslyvania
25 September 1939