Maccarinelli-Haye a possibility...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 Mar 2004, 12:32

I think this sounds like a bit of early sabre rattling, and nothing more. Haye appears to be denying the rumours already, it's probably just a bit of preliminary argy-bargy, building up to them actually fighting somewhere along the line.

Chambers · Post by **Chambers** » 24 Mar 2004, 13:07

This is Enzo (and FW's) best chance at beating David Haye, because in 12 months he will rule the world, but I still reckon Big Dave will do him.

It would make a very refreshing change to see 2 up and coming stars fighting each other. It seems that allegedly is offering the fight so he seems keen and Dave has been saying from day one that he will fight any British Cruiserweight, so lets hope he doesn't bottle it (I'm sure he won't).

Boxing needs this fight.

If I'm not wrong, it won't last long

Theres not much in it and it won't last a minute

J · Post by J » 24 Mar 2004, 13:09

hope it lasts longer than that cos when it does happen im gonna get there come hell or high thunder!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 24 Mar 2004, 13:14

bennie wrote:The Beeb are reporting that WBU cruiserweight champion Enzo Maccarinelli could face rising star David Haye in his next title defence.
Maccarinelli's promoter, allegedly, is understood to have offered Haye a shot at the 'world' title.
Interesting.

This would obviously be an exciting fight, but I will be shocked if it happenes anytime soon.

Either of them against Carl Thompson would be a cracker to.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Mar 2004, 09:13

I wouldn't like to see Carl getting twatted around by either of those two. He's way too slow now to stand a chance, Rothmann couldn't punch, and he had Thompson reeling around like a drunk, Haye and Macaranelli certainly do bang, and I fear Carl would get a terrible beating.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Mar 2004, 09:23

Chambers wrote:This is Enzo (and FW's) best chance at beating David Haye, because in 12 months he will rule the world, but I still reckon Big Dave will do him.

For me the jury is still very much out on Haye, there's no way in my opinion he will rule the world in 12 months. He's had 9 gimme's already and still almost get clocked by a light heavy. There's no doubting his skills but there has to be a question mark over his whiskers, especially when you consider his non-existence defence.

I think he needs to stop listening to his own publicity and knuckle down, he's way too KO happy at the moment and to me he doesn't look like he has developed much at all. A stint with a top trainer in the states would do him the world of good.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 25 Mar 2004, 09:30

I'd love to see this fight. Like most others I'd be rooting for Haye mainly because it's clearly he who has the potential to move into world class one day. He has the ability to piss all over Enzo IMO, just not sure if he can stick to a game plan at this early stage.

So many uncertainties surrounding this possible showdown.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Mar 2004, 09:34

Haye isn't going anywhere unless he tightens up that defence, he pretty much seems to just ignore his defence, and concentrates on bombing his opponents out. The cruiserweight division isn't exactly replete with talent it must be said, but no way is Haye a world champion in 12 months.

Of the two, Enzo looks by far the better fighter, he has learned some defence, and boxes his way into getting openings for his clubbing shots.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 25 Mar 2004, 09:35

stujones wrote:I can understand why? Of the two last outings Enzo looks the more polished performer. Get Haye while you can.

Haye has had two early KOs in his last two outings?

I don't give Enzo much chance against him myself.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Mar 2004, 09:36

True. If Enzo lands one punch on Haye's unguarded chin it's goodnight, he hits a lot harder than Mock. I really don't think Haye will take this fight, anyway what happened to Haye v Swaby?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Mar 2004, 09:36

Loftgroov wrote:
stujones wrote:I can understand why? Of the two last outings Enzo looks the more polished performer. Get Haye while you can.
Haye has had two early KOs in his last two outings?

I don't give Enzo much chance against him myself.

Against complete tomato cans.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Mar 2004, 09:56

Haye hasn't faced anything but utter pastries so far, so really all he is proven is that he can knock out journeymen and light heavyweights.

I don't think that many people are keen on facing him to be fair, but he needs some sort of test. He may be forced into taking a big leap up in class, which would be a big risk, but he can't go on fighting the level of competition he's fighting now forever.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Mar 2004, 10:01

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Haye hasn't faced anything but utter pastries so far, so really all he is proven is that he can knock out journeymen and light heavyweights.

I don't think that many people are keen on facing him to be fair, but he needs some sort of test. He may be forced into taking a big leap up in class, which would be a big risk, but he can't go on fighting the level of competition he's fighting now forever.

I agree, I remember Haye losing on a Sky USA vs England Amateur show against nothing more than a tough cookie of a fight. Haye dominated the first two rounds, but alarmingly ran out of gas and in the end the American won (can't remeber if it was a stoppage or points) but Haye was exhausted and showed vulnerability after a brilliant start.

I don't know why, but that fight has stopped me from really believing the hype. He impressed me early on with his pro career, I thought the knowing Tony Booth would have provided Haye with a few rounds. However, as has been mentioned - Haye really hasn't faught that much better opposition. It would have been nice to see him with Delaney and especially Swaby.

Chambers · Post by **Chambers** » 26 Mar 2004, 08:10

007 wrote:
Chambers wrote:This is Enzo (and FW's) best chance at beating David Haye, because in 12 months he will rule the world, but I still reckon Big Dave will do him.
he's way too KO happy at the moment and to me he doesn't look like he has developed much at all. A stint with a top trainer in the states would do him the world of good.

Agreed. I think it would be of massive benefit for Haye, if he fought Swaby before Enzo. His defence needs abit of tweeking

, a la Audley. He has got some of the best offensive skills (speed, accuracy and variety of punch) I have seen and I just wish he would calm down his gung-ho attitude as this is what cost him when he stepped up in class against Lolenga Mock. If he concentrates on outboxing his opponents the KO's will come of there own accord as he has got undoubted power.

I was hoping to see Haye be abit more careful when he fought Rasani, but he knew he could just to bomb this opponent out so he did, IMO when he fights the likes of Rasani he should be fighting as though he was fighting someone like Lee Swaby standing off him and picking his shots. I know it didn't happen, but when Haye is swarming all over Rasani if he (Rasani) just starts throwing the odd bomb and one connects we could be seeing a MockII. IMO he takes unnecessary risks.

I still reckon that no Cruiserweight in the world will be able to touch him in 12 months

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 26 Mar 2004, 08:19

Haye doesn't have a defence to tweak! He needs to work on one from scratch from what I have seen.

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