Who Do YOU Think The GREATEST Boxer Of All-Time Is?

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Marvin Hagler. Please, no "you need to see more fights" replies. I've seen plenty. Hagler is the man.

No,
you just need to pay more attention to the fights you've seen. Are you
one of those people who goes through Boxrec on his laptop while
"watching" a fight on TV?

No offence pal but you are the guy who spends hours uploading videos of himself talking in an effeminate voice on Youtube and bragged about trolling the Jean Marc Mormeck-David Haye fight without even watching the fight first. Stick to having swipes at people who don't know what you're about using your google/Boxrec knowledge and leave the thinking to those of us with the capacity for it. You're one of the geeky posters, a la Albamaman, I'm not, bear that in mind also.

Hagler could box, fight, go orthodox, bring uppercuts under on the inside, box at range, he could jab stiffly as well as using his long reach to whip in powerful shots. A top three middleweight without question in my mind and seeing as his two competitors are Monzon and Robinson, and no one can say with certainty he would not defeat them, unless you want to adopt the Tardis line of argument, I would say he is worth a shout.

There are plenty of names I could throw out there, with arguments to back them up, but Hagler is the name for me as a personal preference. Throw in the steel chin and big heart and you are left with the arguments against him, from complete imbeciles, that he could not move or box.

Someone here has videos on youtube...Who

Thank you.

[Big Bad John]

I have a 2-3 Tb video collection with at least 300 Gb of boxing, and during most of the 1990s, I was a huge tape trader to boot. You're a little-dick no one trying a whose-is-bigger contest with Johnny Wadd.

[animal mother]

No offence pal but you are the guy who spends hours uploading videos of himself talking in an effeminate voice on Youtube

shameless hypocrisy.

[Big Bad John]

You wish. Hagler simply didn't beat good enough opposition to be ranked above Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Langford, Greb and Louis. I've done plenty of writing about boxing, and you don't get 270,000 hits from a series of four articles unless you know your stuff.

[animal mother]

You wish. Hagler simply didn't beat good enough opposition to be ranked above Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Langford, Greb and Louis. I've done plenty of writing about boxing, and you don't get 270,000 hits from a series of four articles unless you know your stuff.

you have got to be kidding me. how is that not the very definition of Ad Populum?

[animal mother]

The pop-up above tells me your pal is here to play with you so enjoy yourselves, I've answered the question given by the topic. All you last post tells me is to log-in when reading the strands.

why run off? my question is perfectly legitimate, the one you should be asking him. attempting to bolster your credentials based on the number of readers you have is fallacious and ridiculous. do you let people get away with that shit around here?

[Big Bad John]

This is not shopping. You do not just list a bunch of guys someone has fought and tick them off, each one of them, in most cases, can be put into mitigation. Hagler is the best boxer I have seen, and I've seen those other guys plenty. Prior to his title reign his movement was good enough to get him into position. He could get close and let the shots go that he needed to end a fight. He could grit a fight out as he got older and wear a guy down with aggression. He also blended the use of stances as well as you could expect him to, in many ways he was innovative in that respect as he used every punch in both stances to decent effect. He could switch tactics in a fight to forge ahead. In each of those respects he can do what the other men listed did, like a few of them he could also fight effectively 'old'. As for the writing thing, you troll websites, get real.

I have heard people speak well about you, so I'm going to be straight with you.

• Your argument is poorly formed. You argued that your position is valid because you have 300 Gb of boxing. You were talking about me having a large porn collection. Yes, I do. That doesn't mean that I haven't seen at least as many fights as you have.
• You having 300 Gb of boxing doesn't make Marvin Hagler the greatest boxer of all time.
• You dismiss comparing fighters' respective opposition, which is much more objective than saying, "I saw him fight and he was teh coolist!"
• None of your arguments that he was the best ever relate to why he's the best, other than the fact that you think so, and you own 300 Gb of boxing footage, and therefore you're right. You don't discuss why Hagler was better than Sugar Ray Leonard, or Sugar Ray Robinson, or Muhammad Ali.
• Sure, I've trolled a few websites, but I've also written for some prominent websites. You claim that I can't communicate with anyone about boxing, and my hitcount says otherwise.
• Basically, until you've given a solid argument as to why Hagler is better than Ali, Robinson, Greb, Langford, etc... your opinion is nothing but a joke.

The pop-up above tells me your pal is here to play with you so enjoy yourselves, I've answered the question given by the topic. All you last post tells me is to log-in when reading the strands.

Ignore her. She's some loser who followed me here after I PMed her a few times. Long story short, she wanted more attention than I felt like giving her. Pretty soon she'll pull out my dating profile or something.

[Realrobroy]

In all fairness this thread has gone south . Greatness was the theme ...
Please address that or kindly take it elsewhere . No offense intended to any party , truely .

[TheOneIsHere2008]

My reply will not be as lengthy...Assessing who the greatest boxer of all time is comes down to a subjective definition...I base my assessment on peak value, career value, quality of competion, defeats, avenged and unavenged, and in doing so I conclude that Muhammad Ali was the greatest boxer of all time...

[Big Bad John]

Hagler's a bigger fighter than Robinson, and comparing them purely at middleweight is not a solid argument. Robinson is clearly the greatest welterweight of all time, and at that weight, he had so many different tools that he could pick and choose which ones to use against his opponent. Against the 16-pound-heavier LaMotta and Maxim, he fought totally differently than he did against the similarly-sized Kid Gavilan. Throughout his career, Hagler simply didn't show the breadth of boxing ability, both offensive and defensive, that Robinson did.

[Big Bad John]

You kill movement with combinations. If the first two miss, the last three hit. Sugar Ray Robinson was one of the greatest combination punchers of all time, along with Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey.

[Realrobroy]

Terry D , bringing Langford back into the equation , how was Hagler aspect was he superior to him ?

[Collins2000]

You kill movement with combinations. If the first two miss, the last three hit. Sugar Ray Robinson was one of the greatest combination punchers of all time, along with Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey.

Zac, please don't talk about boxing technique.

Anyone who has seen your youtube videos is aware that, as a sweaty, balding middle-aged woman, you have nothing you could possibly tell us about 5 punch combinations.

Stick to rants about race. You are good at that.

[granberry]

Terry D , bringing Langford back into the equation , how was Hagler aspect was he superior to him ?

I like what I have seen of him. I like the way he works inside bringing shots under the guard of the opponent and how he can step back and land decent shots as the other guy tries to adjust the range. Langford fought at a high level at his time and like all fighters you may consider for this type of thing he has a stacked resume. Again, I like the way Hagler can mix things up. A fight with Sam would see them both work on the inside and to be honest I would personally like that type of a fight. Hagler could work inside also and lie Langford could step back and do real damage.

I just happen to think Hagler is the better fighter technically. Although Langford gets recognition, like Johnson, as an innovative fighter that is not singly enough to put him top in my mind. If it was I may just split the difference between Johnson and Langford.

For me Hagler is the complete package.

Now that you've told us how Langford would do against Hagler

TELL US how a fat, old, overweight lightweight like Roberto Duran would do against Hagler.

LOL

[Big Bad John]

Hagler started too slow to beat an all-time-great like Charley Burley.

[Realrobroy]

In all fairness
Langford, underrated to a tragedy ( factually, histortically and ....welll you see ) and ( wow ) he is finally getting his due .....has it all over in Hagler in ALL aspects ( lilkely the same in terms of all LH weights , but the stats get tougher there ... but he still WIPES them in TOTAL stats /skills ). Experience , power , skills , mastery, jaw .

[Collins2000]

Gee, and I though old Marvin was a superb fighting machine.

Lucky for me these experts can tell me how pitiful he was compared to these blokes from the past. Based, I suppose, on looking at records and the odd Keystone Cop jerky edited film and a fekking huge amount of imagination.

Reminds me of "The Four Yorkshiremen":

Michael Palin: Ahh.. Very passable, this, very passable.

Graham Chapman: Nothing like a good glass of Chateau de Chassilier wine, ay Gessiah?

Terry Gilliam: You're right there Obediah.

Eric Idle: Who'd a thought thirty years ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Chateau de Chassilier wine?

MP: Aye. In them days, we'd a' been glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

GC: A cup o' COLD tea.

EI: Without milk or sugar.

TG: OR tea!

MP: In a filthy, cracked cup.

EI: We never used to have a cup. We used to have to drink out of a rolled up newspaper.

GC: The best WE could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

TG: But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.

MP: Aye. BECAUSE we were poor. My old Dad used to say to me, "Money doesn't buy you happiness."

[Big Bad John]

Langford, if anything, has been overrated over the past 20 or so years. Remember the stories about him deserving the decision against Jack Johnson?

[therock1]

Rocky Marciano
Ali
Tyson
Foreman
Kostya Tszyu

Bit of an odd list, but . . .
Marciano was never beaten. Never.
Ali and Tyson could both bring a crowd, some of the most entertaining fighters ever.
Foreman, going against the odds and reclaiming the title at 50 + years of age, when everyone told him it was impossible.
Kostya, pound for pound probally one of the hardest hitters in boxing, but he didn't have to rely on that, he could actually box. Also one of the most honourable fighters to ever step into the ring

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Rocky Marciano
Ali
Tyson
Foreman
Kostya Tszyu

Bit of an odd list, but . . .
Marciano was never beaten. Never.
Ali and Tyson could both bring a crowd, some of the most entertaining fighters ever.
Foreman, going against the odds and reclaiming the title at 50 + years of age, when everyone told him it was impossible.
Kostya, pound for pound probally one of the hardest hitters in boxing, but he didn't have to rely on that, he could actually box. Also one of the most honourable fighters to ever step into the ring

Big George recaptured the heavyweight title at 45.... Too bad he isn't 45 now or he could dispose of the Wlad Klitschko for us...

Tyson could bring a crowd as could Ali, Leonard, Mayweather, and Cammacho to name a few...The old timers hate them for their showmanship but without it the sport would be deader than it is now and all we could do is wax nostaligic about the way it used to be...

[Big Bad John]

Kostya Tszyu didn't hit as hard as Floyd Mayweather.

[Borinken25]

Kostya Tszyu didn't hit as hard as Floyd Mayweather.

All I could say is

[m1kee50]

Kostya Tszyu didn't hit as hard as Floyd Mayweather.

All I could say is

Is he basing that on one fight? Intellectual rigour for you right there.

[elmersalsa]

Kostya Tszyu didn't hit as hard as Floyd Mayweather.

If Arnold from "Diff'rent Strokes" read this, he would ask you:"What are you talking about, Decagon?"

[Big Bad John]

I was using a touch of irony. If someone says something ridiculous (Kostya Tszyu is one of the greatest fighters ever), you counter it with something similarly ridiculous.