GEORGE CHUVALO

[I Feel Fine]

Frazier was winning and all, but the notion that Chuvalo wasn't competitive is basically Frazier cheerleading. Chuvalo was in there landing punches and pushing Frazier back, perhaps stunning Frazier once or twice. Frazier was out landing Chuvalo and doing more damage, certainly, but Frazier wasn't exactly Pernell Whitaker in there; Chuvalo was landing pretty well. But Frazier busted up Chuvalo's face, and Chuvalo's eye apparently came out of its socket; so that'll do it. Nice win for Frazier, but it was pretty competitive, while it lasted. If you want to see fights that aren't competitive, see Foreman-Chuvalo and Foreman-Frazier. Cheers.

[granberry]

Frazier was winning and all, but the notion that Chuvalo wasn't competitive is basically Frazier cheerleading. Chuvalo was in there landing punches and pushing Frazier back, perhaps stunning Frazier once or twice. Frazier was out landing Chuvalo and doing more damage, certainly, but Frazier wasn't exactly Pernell Whitaker in there; Chuvalo was landing pretty well. But Frazier busted up Chuvalo's face, and Chuvalo's eye apparently came out of its socket; so that'll do it. Nice win for Frazier, but it was pretty competitive, while it lasted. If you want to see fights that aren't competitive, see Foreman-Chuvalo and Foreman-Frazier. Cheers.

Ali shill ifeelfine tells us all about the Frazier-Chuvalo blowout from the Religion of Ali point of view.

NOW tell us about the Ali-Chuvalo fights from the Ali worshipper point of view.

LOL

[John Galt]

If you think Frazier - Chuvalo was a competitive fight, you must have thrilled to "classics" like Holmes - Cobb, Ali - Dunn, and Bowe - Ferguson.

Chuvalo had a "blow out" fracture.

http://www.allaboutvision.com/condition ... juries.htm
Hyphemas and Orbital Blowout Fractures
A hyphema (high-FEE-mah) is bleeding in the anterior chamber of the eye, the space between the cornea and the iris. Orbital blowout fractures are cracks or breaks in the facial bones surrounding the eye.

[I Feel Fine]

It was competitive while it lasted. Getting your eye knocked out of its socket is kind of a rarity, if they had fought ten times it probably would not have happened again. But it happened, and it was a good win for Frazier. But that doesn't make the first few rounds any less competitive. I know Frazier was invincible in his prime, and that no one could have beaten him, except Louis and Marciano, but Chuvalo did give him a good fight... while it lasted.

[granberry]

It was competitive while it lasted. Getting your eye knocked out of its socket is kind of a rarity, if they had fought ten times it probably would not have happened again. But it happened, and it was a good win for Frazier. But that doesn't make the first few rounds any less competitive. I know Frazier was invincible in his prime, and that no one could have beaten him, except Louis and Marciano, but Chuvalo did give him a good fight... while it lasted.

It's a tough life being a low mentality Ali shill.

But as they say, "We try. We try."


Joe Frazier stopped Chuvalo in four rounds.

Ali worked hard to two decision wins against the same Chuvalo.

That makes a problem for the Ali whoreshipper.

How does the Ali worshipper posting here attempt to handle the problem?

By trying to tear down Frazier's stopping Chuvalo in FOUR rounds.

But that only makes the problem worse, since there is no way they can say Ali compares favorably with his two decisions over the same Chuvalo.

But I'm sure Thomas Hauser would say you gave it good try, ifeelfine.

Keep up the good work.

Remember, it's for the "cause."

[I Feel Fine]

I didn't deny that Ali's fights with Chuvalo were tougher; and longer. I said so in my first post, that Chuvalo gave Ali competitive fights. That has no bearing, however, on the fact that Chuvalo gave Frazier a tough few rounds; while it lasted. I keep saying "while it lasted" because that's the point, isn't it, that it was a short fight, but it was a good fight for as long as it went. Simple.

I know we're not supposed to say anything that might possibly make Frazier sound less invincible, I know we're supposed to ignore that he lost the trilogy, I know we're supposed to say that Foreman only beat him because Mercante let George push Joe, and I know that Frazier was unbeatable in the 60s; but all I said was that, for as long as the fight lasted, Frazier-Chuvalo was competitive. Simple.

I also know that the mere fact that Frazier stopped Chuvalo early, and Ali never stopped him, means little. Hagler went 15 with Duran, Hearns stopped him in two. Guess what happened when Hagler fought Hearns?

[granberry]

Why is Ali shill ifeelfine so FIXATED on Frazier?

LOL

[I Feel Fine]

I would call myself a Joe Frazier fan. Is that surprising?

[Robinson]

No...Frazier is awesome its hard to imagine no one being
a fan of him in the ring.

I dont think the Frazier-Chuvalo fight was that competive,
I recall Chuvalo hitting Frazier and it having no effect on
Joe. Frazier just stalked him and blew him away. In that
period Frazier was a danger to any HW he ever faced.

[Expug]

Chuvalo is one of those fighterswho you cant just define by wins and losses.
The guy had some real good wins and some dissapointments no doubt.
This guy is defined by his pure toughness and heart in the ring and out.
I respect the guy more than alot of fighters.
I cant really find anything bad to say about Chuvalo.
This guy is a man.

[I Feel Fine]

No...Frazier is awesome its hard to imagine no one being
a fan of him in the ring.

I dont think the Frazier-Chuvalo fight was that competive,
I recall Chuvalo hitting Frazier and it having no effect on
Joe. Frazier just stalked him and blew him away. In that
period Frazier was a danger to any HW he ever faced.

Its easy to say that because of the way the fight ended that the first few rounds weren't competitive. But they were. I'm not suggesting that Chuvalo was winning. And he did seem to stun Frazier at least once, whatever that's worth. It was a good win for Frazier, and he would have won regardless of Chuvalo's eye injury.

[Robinson]

However you look at it...George is always in an
entertaining fight.

[Bobbin & Weavin]

His personal life is such a tragedy, it's amazing to see him do what he does for the youth

Hey, I don't know much about the steel jawed Canadian, except how tough he was and I too have been pleasantly surprised on how well he has weathered such a brutal career. I didn't know anything about tragedy in his life, can someone enlighten me?
Thanks,
Bobbin & Weavin in Nor-Cal

[I Feel Fine]

Very sad. Chuvalo's sons died of drug over doses, and his wife and other son killed themselves as a result. One of the most tragic stories I've ever heard. But Chuvalo is still going strong, he's one of the toughest people I can think of.

[Bobbin & Weavin]

Very sad. Chuvalo's sons died of drug over doses, and his wife and other son killed themselves as a result. One of the most tragic stories I've ever heard. But Chuvalo is still going strong, he's one of the toughest people I can think of.

I almost wish I hadn't asked; I can't think of anything worse. And we thought he was tough in the ring!
Thanks,
Bobbin & Weavin

[yancey]

Frazier was winning and all, but the notion that Chuvalo wasn't competitive is basically Frazier cheerleading. Chuvalo was in there landing punches and pushing Frazier back, perhaps stunning Frazier once or twice. Frazier was out landing Chuvalo and doing more damage, certainly, but Frazier wasn't exactly Pernell Whitaker in there; Chuvalo was landing pretty well. But Frazier busted up Chuvalo's face, and Chuvalo's eye apparently came out of its socket; so that'll do it. Nice win for Frazier, but it was pretty competitive, while it lasted. If you want to see fights that aren't competitive, see Foreman-Chuvalo and Foreman-Frazier. Cheers.

Well, glad that you moved from "competitive" to "pretty competitive."

I sorry I missed the lovefest today, but glad that there are others that seem to share my notion that Chuvalo-Frazier just wasn't a competitive fight.

To be competitive, there would have to be doubt as to actual outcome, and I doubt anyone at ringside back on 7/19/67 had much doubt as to actual outcome by rd 2. George could take, but just didn't possess the firepower to hang with Frazier.

But what do I know, being a Frazier cheerleader and all.

Cheers.

[I Feel Fine]

Yes, if I wanted supporters, my first choices would be those two.

Competitive performance by Chuvalo, while it lasted. He hung in there until his injury. Sorry if you don't see it that way. Those green pom poms with the yellow stripes must have gotten in the way of your view.