ALI Fans PAIN AND ANGER Still REMAINS

[Robinson]

Do you think that Ellis won that fight ??


Which Quarry fight ? one was a draw and the other a
'win' for the Irish lad.

[granberry]

TOIH2008
what Patterson full fights have you seen ???
Have you just seen his losses to Liston and HL of
the Ali fights ?

For starters I saw the Two Liston fights... Given the duration I could have watched them on the can...I watched him lose to Quarry and I watched him lose to an inferior Ali clone by the name of Jimmy Ellis...


And the Ali fights...

And bits of pieces of other fights...

Ali was a Lexus...Patterson was a Toyota...

The Floyd Patterson expert speaks.

He gets all of his "knowledge" of Patterson straight from Thomas Hauser.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Did Duran magically age from June of 1980 to November of 1980?

I believe he was at the tender age of twenty four for both fights...

You believe a lot of things.

LOL

It is sad that I have to so exposed you that you are reduced to banal and flaccid one liners...

The anti-Ali contingent at Stormfront is reading this and cheering you on...You can do better...

[I Feel Fine]

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[TheOneIsHere2008]

I will exclude Robinson because he seems like a good fella, albeit a misdirected one...It seems he has fell over the spell of the nefarious but not at all clever granberry...

But in reading granny's threads I must conclude that animus for Muhammad Ali is like some form of mental derangement...

Here is the States we have such a thing as "Bush Derangement Syndrome"...You can google it...Some people hate Bush so much they become deranged and say outrageus things...

Replace Ali with Bush and you have Granny...

[Robinson]

Ali was a Lexus and Patterson was a Toyota"

NO offence but that is a spastic analogy.

No ones opinions are absolute not yours, not mine.

But I think what the Gran man is suggesting is that you
seem to draw your opinions from a play book.

Bush Derangement Syndrome L:P

[granberry]

I will exclude Robinson because he seems like a good fella, albeit a misdirected one...It seems he has fell over the spell of the nefarious but not at all clever granberry...

But in reading granny's threads I must conclude that animus for Muhammad Ali is like some form of mental derangement...

Here is the States we have such a thing as "Bush Derangement Syndrome"...You can google it...Some people hate Bush so much they become deranged and say outrageus things...

Replace Ali with Bush and you have Granny...

So writes the biggest Ali shill ever to appear on boxrec.

LOL

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Ali was a Lexus and Patterson was a Toyota"

NO offence but that is a spastic analogy.

No ones opinions are absolute not yours, not mine.

But I think what the Gran man is suggesting is that you
seem to draw your opinions from a play book.

Bush Derangement Syndrome L:P

As you know Lexus is Toyota's luxury division...Both are fine cars...It's just that the Lexus brand is built to a higher standard of engineering and sophistication...Both are fine cars...The Lexus is just better...If I said Ali was a Lexus and Patterson was a Kia then I can see my analogy collapsing...

Therefore ,respectfully, I think my analogy is an apt one....

PEACE

P.S. It is interesting though that neither you nor Granberry want to debate or defend his proposition "that Ali ran from Patterson"

Granberry has been reduced to making puerile one liners and continually posting the same images...

[I Feel Fine]

Have you seen Patterson vs Chuvalo, Quarry (both), Boavena, Johannsen 2 ?
Never been in a fight indeed....

The Ellis and machen fights were tight and entertaining battles....

He was blown away by Liston twice.

He was TKO'd by Ali when he was not at his best.
Patterson had fought for 20 years as a pro, not to mention his
amateur-olympic days prior to that. Patterson was always smaller fighting
bigger men. Ali in 1972 was in very good form and shape, yet Patterson
still gave him a competitive and close fight.

Have you watched Ali-Patterson II ?

I agree, Patterson did win some tough fights. His fight with Chuvalo was arguably the best fight of the 60s. His third fight with Johannson was also a battle. I don't think he ever beats Ali, but it is fair to say that his back problems hurt the first fight and his age hurts the second. Though, that said, even when his back seemed alright in the early rounds he showed no indication that he could beat Ali. And I disagree when you say that Ali was in shape for their rematch; he was overweight and out of shape in most of his fights in late '71 and '72 and with Norton in '73, and he certainly was in the Patterson rematch. And it wasn't particularly close, from what I remember I don't think Patterson won more than a couple of rounds.

[Robinson]

And a great many of the Lexus range were re-badged Toyota's
anyhow such as the SC300 was a Toyota Soarer, with some
perks....the ES300 an elite late 90s Camry. Car analogies for
fighters are really silly and always have been.

Ali and Patterson are really two vastly different boxers and it
is hard to draw similarities.

I never said that Ali 'Ran' from Patterson, instead he fought a
disciplined fight behind his jab and used his physical advantages
well against the smaller Patterson.

Ali was always respectful towards Patterson's power and speed,
especially in the first fight, even though patterson never really
got into the rythm of the fight.

You should not clump Granberry and I together as though we share
the same viewpoints as Granberry and I often have differing opinions..
just ask him what he thinks of one of my fave's Larry Holmes :P

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Re: my war comment... Patterson never had a fight as grueling as Ali-Frazier One or Ali-Frazier Three...If Joe didn't knock him out in the first round and he went fifteen rounds with Joe he might have been killed...

Patterson was not the strongest fighter...

[granberry]

The "experts" posting here don't know that Patterson had a career before he fought Ali

and that he was at his best before he was a heavyweight.

The Thomas Hauser view as usual

[I Feel Fine]

Re: my war comment... Patterson never had a fight as grueling as Ali-Frazier One or Ali-Frazier Three...If Joe didn't knock him out in the first round and he went fifteen rounds with Joe he might have been killed...

Patterson was not the strongest fighter...

I agree with your first statement. But I disagree that Patterson wasn't a strong fighter. He wasn't a strong Heavyweight, but I don't think he was a natural Heavyweight. If he had stayed in a lower weight classes he would have been nearly unbeatable in my mind. But he went up to Heavyweight and did an excellent job; he's a top 15 Heavyweight in my opinion. And that's part of why Ali is the best Heavyweight of all time, because he beat the best, and Patterson was one of the better fighters he met. I'm sure you agree.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

The "experts" posting here don't know that Patterson had a career before he fought Ali

and that he was at his best before he was a heavyweight.

The Thomas Hauser view as usual

Is it Thomas Hauser's fault that Patterson failed the two biggest tests of his life in his matches with Sonny Liston and was so devastated by his losses that he took to wearing a disguise?

[Robinson]

Patterson was best at 168 or 178.....and then maybe CW. If it was
todays enviornment he was in.

Not to many fighters at any weight went through what ALi and Frazier
did in 1971 and 1975.

I think saying Ali was not in shape in 1972 against Patterson is not
true...he was not in top form as he was against say frazier in 1971..
but then again it was not 1956 for Floyd Patterson either.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Re: my war comment... Patterson never had a fight as grueling as Ali-Frazier One or Ali-Frazier Three...If Joe didn't knock him out in the first round and he went fifteen rounds with Joe he might have been killed...

Patterson was not the strongest fighter...

I agree with your first statement. But I disagree that Patterson wasn't a strong fighter. He wasn't a strong Heavyweight, but I don't think he was a natural Heavyweight. If he had stayed in a lower weight classes he would have been nearly unbeatable in my mind. But he went up to Heavyweight and did an excellent job; he's a top 15 Heavyweight in my opinion. And that's part of why Ali is the best Heavyweight of all time, because he beat the best, and Patterson was one of the better fighters he met. I'm sure you agree.

I have more respect for Patterson than granberry has for Ali, as a man and as a boxer...He took being a role model seriously, perhaps too seriously...He felt he had the weight of the world on his shoulders when he fought Ali and Liston...

The genesis of this dispute is that granberry said "Ali ran from Patterson"...That is unmitigated bovine excrement...

Why would he "run from Patterson" ...Patterson could not hurt him...

[kikibalt]

Muhammad Ali

[granberry]

The "experts" posting here don't know that Patterson had a career before he fought Ali

and that he was at his best before he was a heavyweight.

The Thomas Hauser view as usual

Is it Thomas Hauser's fault that Patterson failed the two biggest tests of his life in his matches with Sonny Liston and was so devastated by his losses that he took to wearing a disguise?

TheOne reiterates that he is completely incompetent in his "knowledge" of Floyd Patterson.

According to a Thomas Hauser clone like theOne who is completely indoctrinated in the Religion of Ali,

Patterson only existed as an adjunct to the sales pitch for Ali.

According to these retards, Patterson never fought Johansson, or had any career except for his fights once he lost to Liston.

[granberry]

Muhammad Ali

He must be practicing the "magic punch" that "knocked out" Sonny Liston in the first round.

LOL

[kikibalt]

Muhammad Ali and Sylvester Stallone

[TheOneIsHere2008]

The "experts" posting here don't know that Patterson had a career before he fought Ali

and that he was at his best before he was a heavyweight.

The Thomas Hauser view as usual

Is it Thomas Hauser's fault that Patterson failed the two biggest tests of his life in his matches with Sonny Liston and was so devastated by his losses that he took to wearing a disguise?

TheOne reiterates that he is completely incompetent in his "knowledge" of Floyd Patterson.

According to a Thomas Hauser clone like theOne who is completely indoctrinated in the Religion of Ali,

Patterson only existed as an adjunct to the sales pitch for Ali.

According to these retards, Patterson never fought Johansson, or had any career except for his fights once he lost to Liston.

Your ad hominem attacks only demostrate my complete ownership of you....

I will ingore the ad hominem attacks as a function of your impotence...Perhaps , a look at the young men with the broad backs that you so fancy can help in that department...

Did Patterson wear a disguise after Liston embarrassed him?

Did not John Kennedy himself tell Patterson he wanted him to beat the "thug" Liston?

Were not his fights against the menacing Liston the fights that garnered the public attention?

Did not Patterson call out Ali for being a member of the NOI and promised to restore the belt to righteous Americans?

That was the biggest stage of his life...That defined him, all the paeans from glansberry notwithstanding...

NOW DANCE

[I Feel Fine]

Patterson was best at 168 or 178.....and then maybe CW. If it was
todays enviornment he was in.

Not to many fighters at any weight went through what ALi and Frazier
did in 1971 and 1975.

I think saying Ali was not in shape in 1972 against Patterson is not
true...he was not in top form as he was against say frazier in 1971..
but then again it was not 1956 for Floyd Patterson either.

As I said, Patterson was old, so it hurts Ali's win. But Ali clearly wasn't in great shape. The only time I ever heard him breath so heavy after a fight was Manila. Not untypical though, he was like that in most of his fights from the time of his Mathis fight to the time of his first fight with Norton. Patterson still did a good job, considering his age. He was even coming off a win over Bonavena. Not a bad way to end your career.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Patterson was best at 168 or 178.....and then maybe CW. If it was
todays enviornment he was in.

Not to many fighters at any weight went through what ALi and Frazier
did in 1971 and 1975.

I think saying Ali was not in shape in 1972 against Patterson is not
true...he was not in top form as he was against say frazier in 1971..
but then again it was not 1956 for Floyd Patterson either.

As I said, Patterson was old, so it hurts Ali's win. But Ali clearly wasn't in great shape. The only time I ever heard him breath so heavy after a fight was Manila. Not untypical though, he was like that in most of his fights from the time of his Mathis fight to the time of his first fight with Norton. Patterson still did a good job, considering his age. He was even coming off a win over Bonavena. Not a bad way to end your career.

Most of Ali's fights were televised during that era and I was a kid watching them...After the first Frazier fight he wasn't as motivated as he was at other times in his career...The Norton loss woke him up...While he was waiting to fight for the championship he was just fighting to pay the bills...It's hard to get up for the Jurgen Blins and Rudi Lubbers of the world...

[I Feel Fine]

I agree. It's also hard to get up for an old Patterson when you nearly shutout a younger version. The only fight where he really looked in really great shape in '72 was the Quarry rematch. And plus he did well enough in '72 to be named Fighter of the Year, going 6-0. But it caught up to him with Norton, and he had to get himself back into really great shape to win the rematch. Then he had probably his best year in '74.

[Robinson]

Well any fighter losing in the first round can tell you
just how embarrassing, ashamed and disgusted with
yourself you can feel.

I dread to imagine what the HW champion of the
world would feel when he was beaten in the first
round, with all that pressure.

Often walking to the ring is one of the hardest things
a fighter can do.....after losing inside 1 at such a high
level being seen is much worse.....so wearing a disguise
is no disgrace...I wish i had a good enough disguise in
the past.