Bryant Gumbel:Is Joe Frazier a White Champion in Black Skin?

[granberry]

Shortly after Joe Frazier's victory over Muhammed Ali,

Bryant Gumbel, the editor of the Black Sports magazine,

wrote an article titled "Is Joe Frazier a White Champion in Black Skin?"

Pretty vile stuff from Bryant Gumbel.

[elmersalsa]

That was very vile. What an hipocrisy.

[Robinson]

I never understood how Frazier was pegged
as being a 'white man's champion'.

It's funny, as Frazier himself said, that he
came from such a poor back ground full of
hard ships, whereas say an Ali came from a
pretty well off middle class up bringing..

you can see where the frustrations lie for
Frazier. It must have hurt reading in so much
media that he was never fully accepted or
appreciated...

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Shortly after Joe Frazier's victory over Muhammed Ali,

Bryant Gumbel, the editor of the Black Sports magazine,

wrote an article titled "Is Joe Frazier a White Champion in Black Skin?"

Pretty vile stuff from Bryant Gumbel.

What Bryant Gumbel did was wrong...It was not Joe Frazier's fault that much of white America embraced him but it would take an African American or a historian of that era to tell you the politics of that era and from where that line of thinking evolved...

[TheOneIsHere2008]

I never understood how Frazier was pegged
as being a 'white man's champion'.

It's funny, as Frazier himself said, that he
came from such a poor back ground full of
hard ships, whereas say an Ali came from a
pretty well off middle class up bringing..

you can see where the frustrations lie for
Frazier. It must have hurt reading in so much
media that he was never fully accepted or
appreciated...

Unless one is aware of the politics of the era the whole drama doesn't make much sense...Ali was seen as the symbol of a nascent black nationalism in America...Joe Frazier and George Foreman were seen as symbols of the establishment...

But this is a story primarily about Bryant Gumbel...

[granberry]

Ali began to portray Frazier as an Uncle Tom, a pawn of the white establishment. . .

"I know what's going to happen the night before the fight," Ali said (New York Post, Jan. 15, 1971.). "That Joe Frazier, he's gonna get telephone calls from folks in Georgia and Alabama and Mississippi saying, 'Joe Frazier, you be a white man tonight and stop that draft-dodging n-----.' "

Ali delivered the line with a laugh and rolled his eyes, but, by attacking Frazier's legitimacy as an advocate for his own race, he demeaned his opponent, and he did it over and over again, like a candidate who found his stump speech.
. . .

Pacheco urged Ali to let the issue go. "You do not need to do this," Pacheco told him. "He's a black man like you are." Ali understood, but told Pacheco: "I like to get under his skin." Writer Dave Kindred believes that Ali's fears prompted the Uncle Tom references. "I think Frazier scared Ali more than anybody ever," Kindred said, "and that was why he was so mean, so contemptible in the things he said about him. Ali's moments of panic came out as mean-spirited stuff always when he was most afraid." Veteran columnists such as Dick Young and Jimmy Cannon, always wary of Ali, criticized his treatment of Frazier while the younger members of the pack gave him a pass. "He was such good entertainment and gave them such good quotes," explained Thomas Hauser.

Joe Frazier did not give Ali a pass, then or ever. He rightly pointed out the hypocrisy of being labeled an Uncle Tom by a black man whose trainer was white. In his autobiography, Frazier called it a "cynical attempt by Clay to make me feel isolated from my own people. He thought that would weaken me when it came time to face him in that ring. Well, he was wrong. It didn't weaken me, it awakened me to what a cheap-shot son of a bitch he was."

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=m ... &type=lgns

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Ali began to portray Frazier as an Uncle Tom, a pawn of the white establishment. . .

"I know what's going to happen the night before the fight," Ali said (New York Post, Jan. 15, 1971.). "That Joe Frazier, he's gonna get telephone calls from folks in Georgia and Alabama and Mississippi saying, 'Joe Frazier, you be a white man tonight and stop that draft-dodging n-----.' "

Ali delivered the line with a laugh and rolled his eyes, but, by attacking Frazier's legitimacy as an advocate for his own race, he demeaned his opponent, and he did it over and over again, like a candidate who found his stump speech.
. . .

Pacheco urged Ali to let the issue go. "You do not need to do this," Pacheco told him. "He's a black man like you are." Ali understood, but told Pacheco: "I like to get under his skin." Writer Dave Kindred believes that Ali's fears prompted the Uncle Tom references. "I think Frazier scared Ali more than anybody ever," Kindred said, "and that was why he was so mean, so contemptible in the things he said about him. Ali's moments of panic came out as mean-spirited stuff always when he was most afraid." Veteran columnists such as Dick Young and Jimmy Cannon, always wary of Ali, criticized his treatment of Frazier while the younger members of the pack gave him a pass. "He was such good entertainment and gave them such good quotes," explained Thomas Hauser.

Joe Frazier did not give Ali a pass, then or ever. He rightly pointed out the hypocrisy of being labeled an Uncle Tom by a black man whose trainer was white. In his autobiography, Frazier called it a "cynical attempt by Clay to make me feel isolated from my own people. He thought that would weaken me when it came time to face him in that ring. Well, he was wrong. It didn't weaken me, it awakened me to what a cheap-shot son of a bitch he was."

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=m ... &type=lgns

On the recent anniversary of Frazier's victory over Ali, Frazier said, "Hey man, just come on and give me a hug and let's get on with our lives."


Ali was recently in New York to accept the Humanitarian Award of United Cerebral Palsy of New York City and he told the New York Times he agrees with Frazier.

"In a way, Joe's right. I said a lot of things in the heat of the moment that I shouldn't have said. Called him names I shouldn't have called him. I apologize for that. I'm sorry. It was all meant to promote the fight."

Frazier embraced the apology. "I accept that," he said in a telephone interview with the Times from Wildwood, NJ. "I'll accept it, shake his hand and hug him when I see him. This has been going on too long.... Life's too short."


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_72960912

[granberry]

MEDIA people like Bryant Gumbel had a tough time swallowing this,

and had to 'strike back.'

Bryant Gumbel is slime.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

JOE FRAZIER'S ANSWER.

The 10 Greatest Heavyweight Fights of All Time


1. Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier 3, Oct 1, 1975 Manila, Phillipines. Result: Ali TKO 14.

A titanic struggle that the Oct 13, 1975 Sports Illustrated called "a drama in 3 acts: 1) Ali 2) Frazier 3) Ali."

Muhammad Ali prevailed in the greatest fight of the greatest heavyweight trilogy of all time. Ali dominated the early rounds with furious jabs and speed of hand and foot. Frazier started "smoking" in the middle rounds and gave Ali such a terrible beating to the body that Ali later said, "it was the closest thing to death" that he ever had experienced. Sports Illustrated reported, "Ali slumped into his corner at the end of the 10th round exhausted and contemplated quitting." The 11th round was no better for the champion. Writer Mark Kram reported, "Ali got trapped in Frazier’s corner and blow after blow bit at his melting face, and specks of spittle flew from his mouth." "Lawd have mercy!", Bundini shrieked as Ali took a terrible beating against the ropes. Ali went to the well and found deep inside himslef, a reservoir of will and determination that allowed him to come back like a true champion. Ali came out of his corner for the 12th and began to turn the fight around. Frazier's eyes began to swell shut from Ali's quick handed straight punching and combinations. By the 13 round Ali was hitting Frazier almost at will. After further punishment in the 14th Frazier's trainer Eddie Futch would not allow Joe to come out for the 15th. Ali had retained his title. This fight proved that Ali was no mere showman or a "fake" as one veteran observor once called him, but that he was indeed an all time great fighter. After the fight Frazier echoed this fact, "Lawdy, Lawdy his a great and mighty champion. I hit him with punches that would have brought down the walls of a city."

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/10heavyweight.html


SONNED

[granberry]

The promotion of the fight took an ugly turn when Ali chided the champion as an Uncle Tom and said that most white Americans would be rooting for Frazier.

Ali later claimed he was trying to hype the fight, but at the time Frazier was under constant guard by police because he received death threats before the fight.

http://www.ibhof.com/ibhfhvy1.htm

[TheOneIsHere2008]

The promotion of the fight took an ugly turn when Ali chided the champion as an Uncle Tom and said that most white Americans would be rooting for Frazier.

Ali later claimed he was trying to hype the fight, but at the time Frazier was under constant guard by police because he received death threats before the fight.

http://www.ibhof.com/ibhfhvy1.htm

On the recent anniversary of Frazier's victory over Ali, Frazier said, "Hey man, just come on and give me a hug and let's get on with our lives."


Ali was recently in New York to accept the Humanitarian Award of United Cerebral Palsy of New York City and he told the New York Times he agrees with Frazier.

"In a way, Joe's right. I said a lot of things in the heat of the moment that I shouldn't have said. Called him names I shouldn't have called him. I apologize for that. I'm sorry. It was all meant to promote the fight."

Frazier embraced the apology. "I accept that," he said in a telephone interview with the Times from Wildwood, NJ. "I'll accept it, shake his hand and hug him when I see him. This has been going on too long.... Life's too short."


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_72960912

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Muhammad Ali himself recalls an encounter with Jimmy, a young boy suffering from leukemia, who wanted to meet him before his epic fight with George Foreman in 1974. Before the boy left, Ali had a photograph taken of himself and Jimmy which he enlarged later and sent to the kid, with the inscription: “You’re going to beat cancer. I’m going to beat George. Love, Your friend, Muhammad Ali.”[10] Two weeks later Ali learned that Jimmy was in a hospital and not expected to live. Within three hours Ali was at the boy’s bedside.

When I walked in he was lying in his bed and I saw that his skin was as white as his sheets were.

Jimmy looked up with bright eyes and called out, “Muhammad, I knew you would come!”

I walked over to his bedside and said, “Jimmy, remember what I told you? I’m going to beat George Foreman and you’re going to beat cancer.”

Jimmy looked up at me and whispered, “No, Muhammad. I’m going to meet God, and I’m going to tell him that you are my friend.”

The room was silent and we were in tears. I hugged Jimmy good-bye and later that night when we returned to my training camp, none of us spoke much.[11]

A week later the boy died, and the father invited Ali to the funeral. Unable to attend, he sent Gene, his assistant. “When Gene returned from the funeral, he told [Ali] that there had been an open casket and that the autographed picture was beside Jimmy’s head.”[12]


http://www.americansc.org.uk/online/Ali.htm

[granberry]

Ali shill collins/TheOne's posts here illustrate how upset Ali worshippers are by Joe Frazier's beating of Ali.

The same upset caused media person and piece of living slime Bryant Gumbel to use his postion as editor of Black Sports magazine to put out the vile article "Is Joe Frazier a White Champion in Black Skin?" immediately after Frazier beat Ali.

All the media bile in the world cannot change the fact that Ali and Frazier got into the ring as two undefeated fighters

and Ali left the ring a defeated fighter.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

It is important to note that although Muhammad Ali was a Muslim, he did not exclude any group from his humanitarian efforts. Given the longstanding conflict between Muslims and Jews in the United States and abroad, many would assume that Muhammad Ali would not consider contributing to any Jewish causes. However, many sources have documented his contribution to the Self Help Community Services Hillside Aged Program of Washington Heights, New York City. According to these reports, Ali discovered that the center, which provided recreational facilities for 54 aged and handicapped members, needed $100,000 or it would soon be forced to shut its doors.[50] Ferdie Pacheco remembers the occasion:

My mind flashes back to a hotel room in New York City before the first Frazier fight. Ali was watching the news. A story came on about ancient inhabitants of a Jewish nursing home who were being evicted because they couldn’t come up with $100,000. It was cold in New York, and the thought of those old people on the street got to Ali. Without any discussion, he reached for the phone and called the TV station. He would donate the $100,000 provided his name not be used. Ali did not want trouble from the Muslims or from certain members of the Ali Circus who were chronically “in need.” Money was given, it arrived in time, old people were saved, the curtain comes down, go to black and a happy ending.

Not quite.

Someone leaked it to the New York newspapers, and Ali was on the front page.[51]


http://www.americansc.org.uk/online/Ali.htm

[granberry]

Ali was a vile racist.

All the crap in the world posted by Ali shills in the media cannot erase that fact.

Ali was a tool of the Nation of Islam, who slaughtered the women and children at the Hanafi muslim home in Washington, DC and also killed Malcolm X and bragged about it.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Bill Russell, the great basketball player, an athlete who broke the color line in sports as a coach of basketball, commented on Ali’s role as a fighter for freedom. Remembering his refusal to join the army, he said, “I saw a man accepting special responsibilities, someone who conducted himself in a way that the people he came in contact with were better for the experience. Philosophically, Ali was a free man…And he was free at a time when historically it was very difficult to be free no matter who you were or what you were. Ali was one of the first truly free people in America.”[108]



http://www.americansc.org.uk/online/Ali.htm

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Ali was a vile racist.

All the crap in the world posted by Ali shills in the media cannot erase that fact.

Ali was a tool of the Nation of Islam, who slaughtered the women and children at the Hanafi muslim home in Washington, DC and also killed Malcolm X and bragged about it.

Only a few athletes are ever known as the greatest in their sport, or in their time. But when you say, "The Greatest of All Time" is in the room, everyone knows who you mean. It's quite a claim to make -- but as Muhammad Ali once said, "It's not bragging if you can back it up." (Laughter.) And this man backed it up.

From the day he won the Gold Medal at the 1960 Olympic Games, we all knew there was something special about this young fighter from Louisville, Kentucky. And his record of 56 and 5, including 37 knockouts and 19 successful title defenses, hardly begins to get the story. Far into the future, fans and students of boxing will study the films, and some will even try to copy his style. But certain things defy imitation: the Ali shuffle, the lightning jabs, the total command of the ring and, above all, the sheer guts and determination he brought to every fight.

This is a man who once fought more than 10 rounds with a fractured jaw. And he fought to complete exhaustion -- and victory -- in that legendary clash of greats in Manila. The real mystery, I guess, is how he stayed so pretty. (Laughter.) It probably had to do with his beautiful soul. He was a fierce fighter and he's a man of peace, just like Odessa and Cassius Clay, Sr. believed their son could be.

Across the world, billions of people know Muhammad Ali as a brave, compassionate and charming man, and the American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali one of our own. (Applause.)

-President George Walker Bush


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 109-2.html


BOOYAH

[TheOneIsHere2008]

http://www.americansc.org.uk/online/Ali.htm

Ali shill collins/TheOne is reduced to posting crap from a grovel for Ali site titled "Muhammad Ali: Exemplar to the World"

LOL

Your crap doesn't convince, collins.

This is from the White House, granny:



Only a few athletes are ever known as the greatest in their sport, or in their time. But when you say, "The Greatest of All Time" is in the room, everyone knows who you mean. It's quite a claim to make -- but as Muhammad Ali once said, "It's not bragging if you can back it up." (Laughter.) And this man backed it up.

From the day he won the Gold Medal at the 1960 Olympic Games, we all knew there was something special about this young fighter from Louisville, Kentucky. And his record of 56 and 5, including 37 knockouts and 19 successful title defenses, hardly begins to get the story. Far into the future, fans and students of boxing will study the films, and some will even try to copy his style. But certain things defy imitation: the Ali shuffle, the lightning jabs, the total command of the ring and, above all, the sheer guts and determination he brought to every fight.

This is a man who once fought more than 10 rounds with a fractured jaw. And he fought to complete exhaustion -- and victory -- in that legendary clash of greats in Manila. The real mystery, I guess, is how he stayed so pretty. (Laughter.) It probably had to do with his beautiful soul. He was a fierce fighter and he's a man of peace, just like Odessa and Cassius Clay, Sr. believed their son could be.

Across the world, billions of people know Muhammad Ali as a brave, compassionate and charming man, and the American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali one of our own.


-President George Walker Bush

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 109-2.html


BOOYAH

[granberry]

No matter how frantically they post there is no way Ali shills can ever change the fact that Ali was a vile racist

AND that Ali lost to Joe Frazier.

Ali's attempt to hit back at Frazier after he lost to Frazier by sliming Frazier in the black community is one of the vilest examples of spite and hatred in the history of propaganda efforts.

Part of this calculated effort including enlisting low grade moron and media person Bryant Gumbel to attempt to hit back at Ali's loss to Frazier by writing an article with the vile title "Is Joe Frazier a White Champion in Black Skin?"

[BoxBuzz]

So looks like young Cassius later to become Muhammad ....done purdy good fer a Kentucky fella.