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David Haye: I will destroy Wladimir Klitschko - Telegraph

By Gareth A Davies


It is an obsession, and it has to be. David Haye, Bermondsey born, big of bone and hewn with muscle, has already made his mark as the world's No 1 cruiserweight (14st 4lb limit), but now marches into the division of giants, claiming he will slay Wladimir Klitschko, and unify the division as Lennox Lewis did five years ago.

Haye, his trainer Adam Booth, and Dave Coldwell, trainer, manager, mentor and promoter to eleven other fighters in the Hayemaker Promotions stable, held court at a newly-built gymnasium tucked up a dusty road, behind a noisy iron works just outside the northern Cypriot town of Kyrenia yesterday. Looking out on the Mediterranean, they talked of conquest.

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Haye talked, too, with sensitivity, of his shock at the knife and gun crime which besets his native south London, and says that had he been a youngster today, he would have been guarded.

Haye was not a street kid, but was streetwise. "I was pretty lippy, too, having lots of fights, some of them organised with the toughest kids from other schools. But there weren't the gangs there are now, and it's not that long ago that I was in school around there," said the 28-year-old.

"If kids are caught carrying knives, or guns, it should be immediate minimum five-year prison sentences. Forget community service, tags, ASBOs, they're pathetic. Let's get youngsters into gyms. People talk about boxing being violent. Society is violent. See how much havoc youngsters would cause after a session on the bag, or sparring. Guarantee you - none.

"These little people need to learn what it is to lose, to be beaten. Until they get there, they won't learn how to control their emotions.

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"I knew kids like that. Mad kids. If they'd have had a gun or a knife they would have killed people. I'm happy to be involved," said the 6ft 3ins heavyweight, now weighing 16st 2lbs.

Haye's Cyprus sojourn, unwittingly, has a broad historical link with crusaders after the prize. Richard the Lionheart sacked Cyprus in 1191 before returning to the Crusades.

Haye, indeed, has his eyes on the prize - Klitschko - and sees himself as the Ukrainian's nemesis.

"Every day I want what Klitschko has - and I'm going to take it off him. Downtime? I don't want it, nor do I need it. I'll be 30 in two years, and the clock is ticking. I'm focused 24/7 on the prize - the world heavyweight crown, and then the unification of the crown.

"These current champions have made a mockery of what was once considered 'the richest prize in sport'. Thirty six months is not a long time, I can live a quiet life in Cyprus, (with his wife and baby son Cassius).

"We live well here, the climate is fantastic, the organic food is great here, life is healthy."

Haye's next four fights at heavyweight, starting in November, will be shown on Setanta Sports, his first fight in the heavyweight division since his world cruiserweight unification title win against Enzo Maccarinelli in March this year. The opponent is yet to be decided.

"Whoever it is, it will be a top 10 contender. Hasim Rahman and Oleg Maskaev (both former world champions) have been in the frame, but nothing is confirmed yet."

Haye admits he is pursuing "a high risk strategy" to the top - Lennox Lewis warned in the wake of Klitschko's victory over Tony Thompson in Hamburg last weekend that Haye should take at least 18 months in the heavyweight division before taking on the WBO and IBF champion from Ukraine, yet Haye counters that it is an approach he has taken throughout his professional career which started six years ago - and has led to a single loss, and 21 victories, 20 by knockout.

What Haye possesses, is real, raw power in both hands, albeit a vulnerability which can see him floored.

"I want my ride to be exciting for the fans. Lennox Lewis was the last great heavyweight - he dominated the division and fought all the contenders and destroyed them - I'm a long way off that yet.

"Klitschko is a weak No 1 for the division, and it needs setting to rights."

Haye relinquished the WBO cruiserweight title belt yesterday and has already been installed as No 5 by the WBC at heavyweight, on the strength of his one win at heavyweight against Thomasz Bonin, who had a 36-1 record. Haye demolished him in the first round.

Pretty soon Haye will be hard to ignore by all the heavyweight contenders. Most of all, Klitschko.

"I do feel I can beat anyone out there, but from a marketing point of view, I want to have two fights, and then build towards it. He's predictable, and I'm going to exploit that with speed and footwork. Believe me, I am going to be Klitschko's nemesis when we meet in the ring."
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David Haye eyes up heavyweight division
By Gareth A Davies
Last Updated: 12:19am BST 17/07/2008

David Haye hardly lacks confidence, and is happy to propound his theories on the negatives of the heavyweight champions he aims to challenge. Haye believes he will be a heavyweight world champion within 12 to 15 months, and reckons there are "a load of overweight chumps" controlling the belts in the heavyweight division at present. Here are his (pithy) prognoses of the incumbent champions and top challengers.

Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine (IBF, WBO, IBO champion): "Vulnerable, predictable, I was worried Tony Thompson was going to knock him out last weekend. He has fought the same way for 50 fights – behind a pawing jab."

Samuel Peter, Nigeria (WBC champion ): "A big fat lump, no amateur pedigree. Already beaten by Wladimir Klitschko."

Vitali Klitschko, Ukraine (WBC emeritus champion, due to fight Samuel Peter on Oct 11 in Berlin.): "He hasn't fought since he beat Danny Williams in 2004. But who did he fight? He looked good against Lennox Lewis for a few rounds but was going to be stopped before his face was busted up. I'm happy to beat one brother, and then take out the other."

Nikolai Valuev, Russia and John Ruiz, US (fighting each other for the vacant WBA title): "Ruiz is just a cure for insomnia when he fights; Valuev might be over 7ft tall, but I see him like 'Butterbean', something like a circus freak in the ring."

Alexander Povetkin, Russia (due to challenge Wladimir Klitschko for the IBF/WBO/IBO titles this autumn): "He ducked out of fighting me at an amateur event in Croatia and moved up to super heavyweight. He's a possible opponent down the line."
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Great interview, although the Peter quote is alittle on the harsh side. He only lost to Harrison and Vidoz.
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Not Ali and Frazier though are they!!!
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Think you'll find they are. They're in disguise.
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Good interveiw but I disagree with that bit about Vitali - Lewis wasn't going to stop him if he wasn't cut, he had hardly anything left.
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I disagree with you Dioufy. I think VK was crumbling. LL had took his best shots and was getting a second (first) wind.

I think LL would have stopped him within 3-4 rounds.

VK's pre and post LL performances showed nothing to suggest otherwise.

Kirk Johnson, Danny Williams....hardly HOF are they.
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If you get the chance, get hold of the HBO version of Pavlik v Taylor 2. Merchant and Lewis have exaclty the same argument. Although it's less comfortable.
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Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:If you get the chance, get hold of the HBO version of Pavlik v Taylor 2. Merchant and Lewis have exaclty the same argument. Although it's less comfortable.
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I thought Lewis had thrown his best shots in that fight and was tiring badly - the stoppage saved Lewis, hence no rematch that a lot of people called for.
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Dioufy wrote:Good interveiw but I disagree with that bit about Vitali - Lewis wasn't going to stop him if he wasn't cut, he had hardly anything left.
Vitali looked absolutely exhausted himself, and he was shipping heavy punishment in rounds 3 and 4.

Vitali hit Lewis with the best shots he had in the first two rounds, and couldn't put a dent in him, by the third, Lewis was literally walking through Vitali's shots.

You could make a case either way, but for as much as Lewis was tired, so was Vitali.
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As fights go on the better technical fighter tends to come on stronger over the more athletic fighter and Lewis was certainly technically better. BUT who had the most stamina left? Vitali was younger but he does tire down the stretch a bit. We'll never know really, the only thing we know is Lennox won a TKO against the next ring champ at 38 and Vitali would retire without any particularly amazing wins
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Dioufy wrote:Good interveiw but I disagree with that bit about Vitali - Lewis wasn't going to stop him if he wasn't cut, he had hardly anything left.
I agree with Haye totally. Klitschko looked spent by rd 6 and hadn't hit LL with anything big in a couple of rds. LL was coming on rd by rd and landed some dingers in rd 6.
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just think about Lennox and Vitali ?

those super heavyweights would be just too enourmous for Haye..theres no way Hayes firepower would have dented lewis and vitali would keep him out of range

Haye may be 6ft 5 but hes never going to be able to bulk up too much

yes he can punch....but can he?

he struggled against the euro fighters....

couldnt dent thompson

and was dropped by mormeck and mock ...u cant ignore these facts
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It's just my opinion - I thought Vitali still looked there and was clearly winning on points. Lewis just looked gone to me - he was pushing his punches in round six.
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The stoppage was fair - I didn't grumble about that but Lewis did look fucked, but so did Vitali. And like someone said, you could argue it either way.
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A lot of these things you're saying I am not/never disputing. I was not even saying that Lewis would've lost, I said that I don't think he would've stopped Vitali, and I stand by that. Vitali had also taken Lewis' best shots and still been there - if would've been a close decision, with it going either way. God, I wish Vitali didn't get cut.
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Dioufy wrote:The stoppage was fair - I didn't grumble about that but Lewis did look fucked, but so did Vitali. And like someone said, you could argue it either way.

No, not at all -- in hard long fights, Tucker, Mercer, Mavrovic and Holyfield II Lewis was still swinging right to the end, even when Mercer was handing him his arse.

Klitschko against Byrd quit on his stool.
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Good point. I would've loved to see them 12 rounds - I certainly wouldn't have ruled out anything happening in that fight.
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Interesting that Haye pointinted to the Maskaev and Rahman fights, I guess Rahman is deffinatly out of the queation though.
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Haye's list is down to 4. Announcement end of August. Source Steve Bunce
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He is talking too much. I desperately want him to succeed but he starting to get on my nerves with these soundbites

At least have a legit fight at the weight before you mouth off so much. One fight against a Polish civil servant does not a heavyweight make

I wanna see what he wil do when those big rights are bouncing off the heavyweights head. He has legitmate power but he wasn't exactly Julian Jackson at cruiserweight so who knows how it will transfer higher up

I like hype as much as the next man but far as I see at the moment he is as deluded as Amir Khan
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He looks bigger now, his face has swollen..i hope his weight gain plan is going good!
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BAMBI wrote:He looks bigger now, his face has swollen..i hope his weight gain plan is going good!
Bigger chin. :P
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