Granberry and the Ali love

[Robinson]

Mr Granberry

I am curious as to where your Ali hatred stems from ?

You are a smart boxing man, and have hinted that you knew Ali personally. Your hatred stems to Dundee, Bundini Brown, Leonard and even Holmes.

Im not tryting to be in-flammatory...I am however just curious to know where it came from.

I do in many way share a dis like with those people who chant Ali for the sake of it. Those who boast Ali as the Greatest because they read it or heard it some where.

This is not the fault of the fighter.

There are plenty of fighters out there who on a personal level annoy the heck out of me, but I do not deny there talent.

I am just curious is all.

Thanks again.

Kym

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Mr Granberry

I am curious as to where your Ali hatred stems from ?

You are a smart boxing man, and have hinted that you knew Ali personally. Your hatred stems to Dundee, Bundini Brown, Leonard and even Holmes.

Im not tryting to be in-flammatory...I am however just curious to know where it came from.

I do in many way share a dis like with those people who chant Ali for the sake of it. Those who boast Ali as the Greatest because they read it or heard it some where.

This is not the fault of the fighter.

There are plenty of fighters out there who on a personal level annoy the heck out of me, but I do not deny there talent.

I am just curious is all.

Thanks again.

Kym

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[BoxBuzz]

You know if you simply skim the "theme" of his words the bitterness (in my humble opinion) perhaps is a genuine assessment of injustice pertaining to how highly Ali has come to be regarded and his near mythic heights of notoriety in contrast to the following:

*The monstrously distorted popular misconception of Ali's abilities.
granberry clearly indicates his belief that Ali is a "C" grade fighter AT BEST in almost every measurable way.
You will find quotes saying he had no fundamental skill, no power, and little in the way of ring generalship. He was a blatant fouler and cheater. I do believe he has granted that he had a great chin. (I'm certain I read that in the full body of his expression on this subject) though he may want to now clarify that for us.

*The massively orchestrated effort by the media to "spin" his entire career....via distortions concerning each and every fight.
He cites that nearly every fight was either fixed, a fluke, or had some sort of "outside" intervention or unique characteristic that served to bring on unjustified and orchestrated outcomes. Every genuine win was over a genuine bum.

*The mechanized lock step effort to make him into a personality that is somehow palatable.
He cites that the man was a vile hateful racist with little if anything in the way of socially redeeming qualities.

*The criminal robbery of glory and prominence that should rightfully have gone to so many of his opponents who were chronically and artificially "set up" to become his victims.
You can find quote after quote on this subject.

No sir....he don't much care for that Ali feller.....not one bit. And I for one am convinced of his sincerity on this subject.

I have listened carefully to what he has to say. And I have come to the conclusion that his assertions "Aint necessarily so."

[TheOneIsHere2008]

You know if you simply skim the "theme" of his words the bitterness (in my humble opinion) perhaps is a genuine assessment of injustice pertaining to how highly Ali has come to be regarded and his near mythic heights of notoriety in contrast to the following:

*The monstrously distorted popular misconception of Ali's abilities.
granberry clearly indicates his belief that Ali is a "C" grade fighter AT BEST in almost every measurable way.
You will find quotes saying he had no fundamental skill, no power, and little in the way of ring generalship. He was a blatant fouler and cheater. I do believe he has granted that he had a great chin. (I'm certain I read that in the full body of his expression on this subject) though he may want to now clarify that for us.

*The massively orchestrated effort by the media to "spin" his entire career....via distortions concerning each and every fight.
He cites that nearly every fight was either fixed, a fluke, or had some sort of "outside" intervention or unique characteristic that served to bring on unjustified and orchestrated outcomes. Every genuine win was over a genuine bum.

*The mechanized lock step effort to make him into a personality that is somehow palatable.
He cites that the man was a vile hateful racist with little if anything in the way of socially redeeming qualities.

*The criminal robbery of glory and prominence that should rightfully have gone to so many of his opponents who were chronically and artificially "set up" to become his victims.
You can find quote after quote on this subject.

No sir....he don't much care for that Ali feller.....not one bit. And I for one am convinced of his sincerity on this subject.

I have listened carefully to what he has to say. And I have come to the conclusion that his assertions "Aint necessarily so."

And there are ciphers who make similar agruments against Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, and Jim Brown; three other American sports icons...

And when the nefarious Bert Sugar wrote a book about the greatest athletes of the twentieth century did he not have Jim Brown first?

And was not Jim Brown a close friend of Muhammad Ali?

The web of deception is slowly beginning to untangle...

[BoxBuzz]

This does not have to be nationalistic....Did you know Pele had a wooden leg and actually had someone else kick the ball for him?

[TheOneIsHere2008]

This does not have to be nationalistic....Did you know Pele had a wooden leg and actually had someone else kick the ball for him?

I am familiar with Pele though I am not a devotee of soccer...Call me an American chauvanist and provincial but I do not like sports where you can not use your hands...

[Borinken25]

ALI is the greatest boxer in the history of boxing

[TheOneIsHere2008]

ALI is the greatest boxer in the history of boxing

si ,amigo

granberry payaso

[yancey]

ALI is the greatest boxer in the history of boxing

Disagree. The best heavy, quite possibly, the best pound for pound, nah.

The fawning over Ali is pretty laughable and also rather sad. The notion that he was some sort of complex, philosopher king,
is a freaking joke. The elite, cultural left adopted him, overlooked the inconsistencies, and the masses swallowed the pablum the media fed them hook, line, and sinker, as they most always do. You would think they would grow at some point.
(do a search on Gerald Early if you ever wish to get a deeper perspective on Ali)

I do think Ali most probably should be #1 or at worst, #2, at the top of the heavy list, based on his overall record. (this should come as a surprise to a simpleton or two here that think I'm a total Frazier shill)

Even though I have Ali at the top, there were indeed fighters like Holmes and Frazier, maybe Louis, who I would always give a real shot (50%, or very close to it) against him when they were in their primes. Ali did get away with quite a lot in his latter portion of his career, with the gift decisions, pulling the opponent's head down, ignoring the neutral corner rule, and so on. That stained his record somewhat, but still, a great fighter.

Hope Ali has many more years, and enjoys every one of them.

Later.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

ALI is the greatest boxer in the history of boxing

Disagree. The best heavy, quite possibly, the best pound for pound, nah.

The fawning over Ali is pretty laughable and also rather sad. The notion that he was some sort of complex, philosopher king,
is a freaking joke. The elite, cultural left adopted him, used him, overlooked the many inconsistencies, and the masses swallowed the pablum the media fed them hook, line, and sinker, as they most always do. You would think they would grow at some point.
(do a search on Gerald Early if you ever wish to get a deeper perspective on Ali)

I do think Ali most probably should be #1 or at worst, #2, at the top of the heavy list, based on his overall record. (this should come as a surprise to a simpleton or two here that think I'm a total Frazier shill)

Even though I have Ali at the top, there were indeed fighters like Holmes and Frazier, maybe Louis, who I would always give a real shot (50%, or very close to it) against him when they were in their primes. Ali did get away with quite a lot in his later career, with the gift decisions, pulling the opponent's head down, ignoring the neutral corner rule, and so on. That stained his record somewhat, but still, a great fighter.

Hope Ali has many more years, and enjoys every one of them.

Later.

Respectfully , you are setting up a straw man only to knock him down...Nobody is arguing that Muhammad Ali was Nat Turner, Booker T. Washington, W.E.B DuBois, Malcom X, or Martin Luther King with fisticuffs but that he was an incredibly talented and brave man and boxer who stood up to the government at great cost, monetarily and physically, during a time of rapid social change, held his ground against great odds, and was vindicated....

Twenty eight years after hitting somebody in anger he is still the most recognizable man if not one of the recognizable men on the planet... That's more than the work of a good press agent...

As to Gerald Early , he edited a book on Muhammad Ali...The thirty or so writers captured his essence....Some were fawning...Some were critical...And some fell somwhere in the middle...His legion of fans , most of whom weren't born yet know the man for what he was; not some cardboard saint....
PEACE

[Robinson]

Ali not being inducted into the armed forces of the United
States was no more a stand than any other man who refused
induction.

What made him better than any other conscript that was
forced into service ?

I do not agree with Conscription in such circumstances,
but it is the law of the land. And besides being the worlds
heavyweight champion, and a great one at that, he is
still a citizen of the United States.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Ali not being inducted into the armed forces of the United
States was no more a stand than any other man who refused
induction.

What made him better than any other conscript that was
forced into service ?

I do not agree with Conscription in such circumstances,
but it is the law of the land. And besides being the worlds
heavyweight champion, and a great one at that, he is
still a citizen of the United States.

Muhammad Ali applied for conscientious objector status and was denied that status...He appealed that decision to the United States Supreme Court which is the highest court in the land and was granted that status in a unanimous 8-0 decision:

http://www.aavw.org/protest/ali_alivus_ ... _full.html

During the appeal which took 3 1/2 years he was denied an opportunity to box in the United States and his passport was taken away so he could not fight abroad...That decision cost him his physical peak (from the age of 27-30) and approximately ten million dollars...Plus he faced five years imprisonment if his appeal was denied...


Lots of young men avoided induction but did so surreptitiously; by getting college deferments, by going to Canada or purposely failing their physicals...Muhammad Ali made his opposition to the war publicly and was willing to suffer the consequences

He became the face of every American who opposed that war and has been vindicated by time...

P.S. If you want I can go on about how blacks in the American South up until 1965 could not vote, could not marry outside their race, could not eat at certain restaurants nor lodge at certain hotels, nor drink from water fountains or defecate or urinate in toliets that were reserved for whites...This was the milieu he found himself in...

[John Galt]

Ali on failing the mental test to get into the Army.

http://www.americansc.org.uk/Online/For ... ad_ali.htm


Haley: There was another controversy about the honesty of your failure to pass the three army pre-induction qualification tests that you took shortly after the fight. Any comment?

Clay: The truth don’t hurt nobody. The fact is I never was too bright in school. I just barely graduated. I had a D- average. I ain’t ashamed of it, though. I mean, how much do principals make a month? But when I looked at a lot of the questions they had on them army tests, I just didn’t know the answers. I don’t even know how to start after finding the answers. That’s all. So I didn’t pass. It was the army’s decision that they didn’t want me to go into the service. They’re the boss. I don’t want to say no whole lot about it.

Haley: Was it embarrassing to be declared mentally unfit?

Clay: I have said I am the greatest. Ain’t nobody ever heard me say I was the smartest.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Ali on failing the mental test to get into the Army.

http://www.americansc.org.uk/Online/For ... ad_ali.htm


Haley: There was another controversy about the honesty of your failure to pass the three army pre-induction qualification tests that you took shortly after the fight. Any comment?

Clay: The truth don’t hurt nobody. The fact is I never was too bright in school. I just barely graduated. I had a D- average. I ain’t ashamed of it, though. I mean, how much do principals make a month? But when I looked at a lot of the questions they had on them army tests, I just didn’t know the answers. I don’t even know how to start after finding the answers. That’s all. So I didn’t pass. It was the army’s decision that they didn’t want me to go into the service. They’re the boss. I don’t want to say no whole lot about it.

Haley: Was it embarrassing to be declared mentally unfit?

Clay: I have said I am the greatest. Ain’t nobody ever heard me say I was the smartest.

That is a great link...Thank you...I shall bookmark it:


Mike Marqusee writing for the journal, Race and Class in 1995 notes that after Ali defeated George Foreman in "The Rumble in the Jungle," he saw Ali in Germany.


In 1975, at the Frankfurt Book Fair, I finally saw Ali in the flesh. He was by no means the only celebrity to turn up at the fair to promote his book, but he attracted more attention than the rest of them combined. As I drew closer to Ali, I marveled at the hugeness of his neck and shoulders. In the midst of what had rapidly become a mob scene, he sat quite still scribbling his name over and over again. I realized that this must happen to him everywhere. At the same time, he was probably the most famous human being on earth, adulated nearly everywhere as "the Greatest." Yet, he seemed a modest man, bored but patient, accepting the duties of celebrity with good grace. Could it be that the most notorious boaster in the history of sports was, at the bottom of it all, a humble man? Certainly, that is what many of his closest friends have always insisted.


More...


Ali was a doorway, an opening into something beyond. He spoke of god before his fights, he spoke of man, he spoke of hungry children, he cared about the sick and the old; he raised the game to drama. And because he stood for something greater, the people who climbed upon their chairs for him felt it: They stood for something greater too.


Observing Muhammad Ali’s life, one could perceive an American success story. It conforms perfectly to the American mythology of hard work and the application of "smarts" to achieve life’s goal. Ali’s life trajectory combined with the other "All American" attributes of the man, in time, erased the memory of all other flaws and caused a massive outpouring of understanding and love for his persona, if not his person. In his overcoming adversity, segregation, racism, on the one hand, and standing up for America, on the other, while becoming in the eyes of the rest of the world a youthful, brash American, Ali was not only "a credit to his race," but could extend that old phrase to say that Americans recognized him as a credit to his country.


In his stand then, for religious and racial freedom, for being what he wanted to be, for the right to be different within legitimate boundaries, for his humility, generosity, braggadocio, deep and abiding physical and mental courage, though always larger than life – Ali struck a number of positively resonant notes in the American psyche, that make him now a revered person, and the "Quintessential American.

http://www.americansc.org.uk/Online/For ... ad_ali.htm

Not bad for a cat with a 78 IQ...People with higher I.Q.s have certainly done worse...

[funso banjo baby]

Ali ushered in the era of satellite Tv

every fight was viewed by the planet

if some kind of redneck american wants to say Sam Mcvey wasnt all that ..then fair enough..we dont have any footage


but its all there with Ali

he beat them all

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Ali ushered in the era of satellite Tv

every fight was viewed by the planet

if some kind of redneck american wants to say Sam Mcvey wasnt all that ..then fair enough..we dont have any footage


but its all there with Ali

he beat them all

Some people thought boxing was only good when you gathered maw, paw, and the kids around the transistor radio...

[granberry]

Ali on failing the mental test to get into the Army.

http://www.americansc.org.uk/Online/For ... ad_ali.htm


Haley: There was another controversy about the honesty of your failure to pass the three army pre-induction qualification tests that you took shortly after the fight. Any comment?

Clay: The truth don’t hurt nobody. The fact is I never was too bright in school. I just barely graduated. I had a D- average. I ain’t ashamed of it, though. I mean, how much do principals make a month? But when I looked at a lot of the questions they had on them army tests, I just didn’t know the answers. I don’t even know how to start after finding the answers. That’s all. So I didn’t pass. It was the army’s decision that they didn’t want me to go into the service. They’re the boss. I don’t want to say no whole lot about it.

Haley: Was it embarrassing to be declared mentally unfit?

Clay: I have said I am the greatest. Ain’t nobody ever heard me say I was the smartest.

Those indoctrinated by Thomas Hauser and the politically correct think Ali was a genius mentally.

They also know he was a "poet," just like Shakespeare, Milton, Heine, Petrarch, and Goethe.

And on top of all that, he did magic tricks.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Ali on failing the mental test to get into the Army.

http://www.americansc.org.uk/Online/For ... ad_ali.htm


Haley: There was another controversy about the honesty of your failure to pass the three army pre-induction qualification tests that you took shortly after the fight. Any comment?

Clay: The truth don’t hurt nobody. The fact is I never was too bright in school. I just barely graduated. I had a D- average. I ain’t ashamed of it, though. I mean, how much do principals make a month? But when I looked at a lot of the questions they had on them army tests, I just didn’t know the answers. I don’t even know how to start after finding the answers. That’s all. So I didn’t pass. It was the army’s decision that they didn’t want me to go into the service. They’re the boss. I don’t want to say no whole lot about it.

Haley: Was it embarrassing to be declared mentally unfit?

Clay: I have said I am the greatest. Ain’t nobody ever heard me say I was the smartest.

Those indoctrinated by Thomas Hauser and the politically correct think Ali was a genius mentally.

They also know he was a "poet," just like Shakespeare, Milton, Heine, Petrarch, and Goethe.

And on top of all that, he did magic tricks.

He accomplished more with his 78 I Q than people with I Q s twice of that and for that matter he accomplished a lot more with a 78 I Q than you did with yours...


I know it's frustrating to be on the losing side of history, ergo:

http://www.eclectictimes.com/mt-images/ ... -thumb.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seF7noys9QQ

You lost...

Suck it up....

I'll give ya credit...You never tire of getting owned...

[granberry]

Private Message I just got:

No matter what Ali's I.Q. was, if it was 78 or whatever, it was far superior to the I.Q. of The One Is Here. That guy is proof that anyone can use a computer.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

[PM is just got

No matter what Ali's I.Q. was, if it was 78 or whatever, it was far superior to the I.Q. of The One Is Here. That guy is proof that anyone can use a computer.

"is just got"
And you are evidence that simian behavior has evolved to the level of typing...

Now, don't you have a Klan meeting or cross burning to attend...

Boo

http://www.eclectictimes.com/mt-images/ ... -thumb.jpg

[granberry]

Another Private message I got:

"The One" is the dumbest poster ever. I thought I Feel Fine, Big Bad John, etc. were insane, but "the one" is so crazy that the others look sane by comparison. His posts are so stupid that I have written replies to a few of them and then erased them because I don't want to be associated with anything he writes. What a moron that guy is.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Another Private meaage I got:
"The One" is the dumbest poster ever. I thought I Feel Fine, Big Bad John, etc. were insane, but "the one" is so crazy that the others look sane by comparison. His posts are so stupid that I have written replies to a few of them and then erased them because I don't want to be associated with anything he writes. What a moron that guy is.

Here's one I just got.

Granberry is sending me photgraphs of what I believe to be prepubescent males in various states of undress...I shall report them to the proper authorities.

[granberry]

collins/TheOne has exposed his real identity by not being able to control his fixation on homosexuality.

LOL

Queers just can't control themselves.

The question is, why is a poster with such an overwhelming fixation on his homosexuality compelled to post on "boxing" sites?

[TheOneIsHere2008]

collins/TheOne has exposed his real identity by not being able to control his fixation on homosexuality.

LOL

Queers just can't control themselves.

The question is, why is a poster with such an overwhelming fixation on his homosexuality compelled to post on "boxing" sites?

Another PM I just received

Ignore Granberry...He hasn't had sex in nearly ten years...Not since the young lad who tendered his garden went on to college

[funso banjo baby]

what are these private messages ?

is it ur masonic lodge ?