Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team

[DCAmateurBoxing]

How about this . . .he's back on the team. Let's all move forward and support our 9-man team and leave any other speculation alone. I'm glad this is over and hopefully there will be enough time between now and August 8th for the media to not have to focus on this in Beijing.

Thank you, USA Boxing for trying to do right by a 19-year old that made some bad decisions. Let's bring home gold!!

[boxmel]

COLadyRef said:

NOW the team can get back to concentrating on the Olympics and medals..............let's see if "alls well that ends well"

Based in your personal, inside knowledge, Lisa, what do YOU think is going to happen?

[emile]

Very glad to hear this - this seems to be the most reasonable solution. Kolya, I guess we'll see know if Luis is capable of contrition.

[REED]

Sharon_villa

1st of all you do not know me, nor do you know how to spell for that matter! Think out side the box.............are you for real??? I know and see BOTH sides you are the one that is closed minded to defend Luis and only Luis! IF you are a mother are/were your children allowed to run all over you, say and do what they want when they want? I do not have hatred in me for a young and gifted boxer that pissed away his olympic dreams! I adore Luis and have worked with him quite a bit! He has talent and is a very good boxer, he is also a grown-up and knows right from wrong, he knows he played games and was not forth-coming with his information, he can claim he was so busy taking care of he drug addicted sister, but he can also be seen and heard in an interview from a NIGHT CLUB how he was there to support his friend and he is "the King of Dallas", was this before or after he cared for his sister and her four kids? He could have called and kept in touch with his coaches while "ridin' to the club" for that matter! JUST becaused he boxed his heart out and made the olympic team does not give him the right to disregard rules or the CODE OF CONDUCT he signed, being the grown-up that he is! He can say NOW that this will determine his future career, too bad he wasnt thinking that the night he was accepting an award, when he had ALREADY received TWO letters demanding his return, too bad he was thinking about that when he "allegedly" told a team mate he didn't WANT to go to Argentina, he shows up to the OTC claiming he came back and was not permitted to enter, he knew when he returned and his team mates were in route to Argentina he had been removed from the team, yet he played the wounded bird. I am angry that such a gifted young boxer thought it was ok to act however he wants, do whatever he wants and there be not consequences to his actions. They were (and still are) a TEAM, Luis' actions have affected EVERYONE! Reporters hounding the boxers and their families for comments, disrupting things, they lost a team mate, just like he lost a team! Have YOU spent ANY time with the team????? I certainly have and your assumption that the moral must be crappy or whatever you said.......get you facts straight before you run off at the mouth!!! You bash Dan Campbell, there are THREE other coaches and Campbell was not the "ONE" that made the initial decision, I dont HIDE behind my screen name, you are just nosey and dying to know who I am, I am a person that knows what REALLY happened and I am tired of everyone blaming the wrong people or criticizing what they only know HALF the story, WHO was Yanez's coach at the Pan-Am sharon_villa? If coaches don't want their boxers to do international boxing or EVER have olympic dreams, then they should never try to take them to that level!! If they cannot sit back and let them "go" to the INTERNATIONAL COACHES, then what? If coaches want to go to the olympics, then they need to be Lev 4 coaches, not assume it is their RIGHT to go with their boxers! Funny if a coach does not make a regional or national trip and the team coach is in their corner, they aren't crying about that!! I'm not a man, so I would NEVER try to have an arguement with one on standing up to pee, I stay in MY lane, just like a man can never talk to me about the pains of child birth!! I do not, try and tell the Olympic Coaches how to coach and they do not tell me how to ref or judge, what is YOUR lane sharon_villa? Perhaps you should stay in it!! I am very disappointed that Luis made such a grave blunder in judgement and he will pay a HEAVY price for it, but his actions had consequences and now he will have a serious price to pay, I am curious, we hear a lot about how YANEZ was helping his drug addicted sister and her four kids, where was the rest of the family? Where was his coach? Who said "Luis, you are getting letters demanding your return to training camp, this is your future, your dream! Go back to camp and WE will take care of the drug addicted sister and her four kids." We see him at home now doing interviews and training in his gym, so his sister MUST be better or someone else is helping out while he is getting all this tv time. I know if my son, brother, cousin friend from around the way was going to the olympics and was getting in trouble for not returning we'd all pitch in, just like he said "latinos put family FIRST" ok, then where was his family when it came time to put HIM first and not cost him his dreams???

I GUESS I Can Somewhat Understand why you're Using an Alias, Considering How Much BS you're Spewing....

F.Y.I., My Name is Sean Reed...I'm a Writer for Fightbeat.com & I Penned the Article, "2008 U.S. Olympians: Team Turmoil"...I Keeps it 100 and will Freely post DEVOID of an Alias...

http://www.fightbeat.com/article_detail.php?AT=658

As Opposed to Addressing your Long Winded Tirade Against Luis Yanez, I'll Ask a Couple of Questions...Hopefully you can Answer them...

1. What EXACTLY has Dan Campbell done to EARN his Spot as U.S. Olympic Coach???...What Fighter(s) has he GROOMED into a National Champion???...

2. Why is it that the VAST MAJORITY of the U.S. Boxing Team OPENLY QUESTIONS Mr. Campbell's Credibility as a Coach???...On that Same Note, why is it that MOST of the Fighters Feel like they get a BETTER Workout w/their Regular Coaches (At Home), as Opposed to w/Mr. Campbell (In Colorado Springs)???...

3. Can you Think of ANY Other Squad that's had as Much Pre-Olympic DRAMA as this Particular Boxing Team???...Surely, you Recognize that Dan Campbell is at Least PARTLY to Blame for Some of that???...

It's Obvious you're Getting a Kick Out of Thumping your Chest, Asserting your "Know it All" Position, but I know a Little Sum'n Sum'n about the Situation Myself...

I've PERSONALLY Spoken to No Fewer than HALF of the Team, as Indicated in my Article...

So If you Could Answer the Questions I've Posed, I'd Greatly Appreciate it...

Sincerely,

Sean Reed
fightbeat.com
northtexasboxing.com

[REED]

It is being said that part of Yanez getting back on the team is that he has to agree to an ongoing psychological exam. Maybe he had more issues than anyone thought!

Nah...

There's NOTHING Wrong w/Yanez, Psychologically or Otherwise...That Kid is as Mentally STRONG as Anybody I've Ever Met...

If U Peep ANY of his Interviews, he NEVER Wavered from his Stance of Returning to the Olympic Team...& that's Exactly what Happened in the End...

On Top of that, More People KNOW who he Is Now, than a Month Ago...Sure, it was a Bumpy Road, but the Kid has DOUBLED his Notoriety (At Least)& Now All Eye's will Be on him in Beijing...

He's Got that Ali or Prince Naseem Hamed Factor...You Either LOVE him or HATE him...But the Main Thing is, You're WATCHING him...

Yanez Did what he Had to Do to Get Himself Back on the Team...The Psychological Exam & Yesterday's Press Release is a Way for the Olympic Committee to Save Face...

Simple as That...

[Kolya]

That "notoriety" could backfire if he draws someone like Zou Shiming in his first bout. As to your question about why so many of the Olympians feel they get better work outs at home with their personal coaches; I'll take a stab at it. At home, most of the Olympians are the big dog in their area. They are it, and they get the majority of the attention from their coaches, who a lot of them have known since they were kids and who they trust and are comfortable with. The whole system and training method in CS is different (obviously) than what they do at home; and in addition to it, ti's being done by coaches they aren't familiar or comfortable with. So it's natural that they'll be thinking "man, this sucks, I do so much better at home", because they're comfortable and used to the routine at home.

[ZMOMMI]

1. What EXACTLY has Dan Campbell done to EARN his Spot as U.S. Olympic Coach???...What Fighter(s) has he GROOMED into a National Champion???...

2. Why is it that the VAST MAJORITY of the U.S. Boxing Team OPENLY QUESTIONS Mr. Campbell's Credibility as a Coach???...On that Same Note, why is it that MOST of the Fighters Feel like they get a BETTER Workout w/their Regular Coaches (At Home), as Opposed to w/Mr. Campbell (In Colorado Springs)???...

3. Can you Think of ANY Other Squad that's had as Much Pre-Olympic DRAMA as this Particular Boxing Team???...Surely, you Recognize that Dan Campbell is at Least PARTLY to Blame for Some of that???...

It's Obvious you're Getting a Kick Out of Thumping your Chest, Asserting your "Know it All" Position, but I know a Little Sum'n Sum'n about the Situation Myself...

I've PERSONALLY Spoken to No Fewer than HALF of the Team, as Indicated in my Article...

So If you Could Answer the Questions I've Posed, I'd Greatly Appreciate it...

Sincerely,

You PERSONALLY talked to more than half the team? Who were the four or five boxers you talked to? Andrade and Warren both said that the gained a lot from the residency program. That they learned sacrifice and how to come together as a team. Warren's only complaint was being away from his child. Andrade felt good about being close to his friend Warren and coming together as a team. Also Raynell Williams has no problem with the program. So whom were you referring to, Yanez, Molina, Ali? Warren, Andrade, and Williams are the top medal picks and you dont hear them complaining about Dan Campbell. Yes, more people know who Luis Yanez is now, but not for the right reasons. I guess since they put a gag on Yanez that you are speaking for him now. Yanez is back on the team now. We ALL need to get over it. GO USA!!!

[REED]

1. What EXACTLY has Dan Campbell done to EARN his Spot as U.S. Olympic Coach???...What Fighter(s) has he GROOMED into a National Champion???...

2. Why is it that the VAST MAJORITY of the U.S. Boxing Team OPENLY QUESTIONS Mr. Campbell's Credibility as a Coach???...On that Same Note, why is it that MOST of the Fighters Feel like they get a BETTER Workout w/their Regular Coaches (At Home), as Opposed to w/Mr. Campbell (In Colorado Springs)???...

3. Can you Think of ANY Other Squad that's had as Much Pre-Olympic DRAMA as this Particular Boxing Team???...Surely, you Recognize that Dan Campbell is at Least PARTLY to Blame for Some of that???...

It's Obvious you're Getting a Kick Out of Thumping your Chest, Asserting your "Know it All" Position, but I know a Little Sum'n Sum'n about the Situation Myself...

I've PERSONALLY Spoken to No Fewer than HALF of the Team, as Indicated in my Article...

So If you Could Answer the Questions I've Posed, I'd Greatly Appreciate it...

Sincerely,

You PERSONALLY talked to more than half the team? Who were the four or five boxers you talked to? Andrade and Warren both said that the gained a lot from the residency program. That they learned sacrifice and how to come together as a team. Warren's only complaint was being away from his child. Andrade felt good about being close to his friend Warren and coming together as a team. Also Raynell Williams has no problem with the program. So whom were you referring to, Yanez, Molina, Ali? Warren, Andrade, and Williams are the top medal picks and you dont hear them complaining about Dan Campbell. Yes, more people know who Luis Yanez is now, but not for the right reasons. I guess since they put a gag on Yanez that you are speaking for him now. Yanez is back on the team now. We ALL need to get over it. GO USA!!!

I Cited 3 of the Guys in my Article...Sadam, Javier & Luis...I Also Spoke w/Russell, Jr & Sr....Estrada Said he'd Speak his Piece AFTER the Olympics...Also, I PERSONALLY Heard Andrade Call Yanez's Dismissal "B.S.", Only he DIDN'T Abbreviate it...

It's Funny you Say that Warren, Andrade & Williams are the Top Medal Picks, Cause PRIOR to All this Drama, Dan Campbell was QUOTED as Calling Yanez "America's Best Hope for a Medal"...

Sure, Negativity has Garnered a Bit More Attention for Yanez, but if he Handles his Business in Beijing, NOBODY Will Remember that he was 1nce Kicked Off...

& NO, I'm Not "Speaking" for Yanez...

agREED that the FOCUS Should Be on BOXING Now, Instead of the Soap Opera Surrounding it...

[REED]

That "notoriety" could backfire if he draws someone like Zou Shiming in his first bout. As to your question about why so many of the Olympians feel they get better work outs at home with their personal coaches; I'll take a stab at it. At home, most of the Olympians are the big dog in their area. They are it, and they get the majority of the attention from their coaches, who a lot of them have known since they were kids and who they trust and are comfortable with. The whole system and training method in CS is different (obviously) than what they do at home; and in addition to it, ti's being done by coaches they aren't familiar or comfortable with. So it's natural that they'll be thinking "man, this sucks, I do so much better at home", because they're comfortable and used to the routine at home.

That's 1 Theory, but Guys are Complaining about Things like Sparring, Roadwork, the Activity Level & their Diets in Colorado Springs...

Guys that NORMALLY Spar 10-12 Rounds at Home are Being Kicked OUT of the Ring after 6 Rounds...Guys who Run 4-6 Miles at Home are Being Told to Run 2 Miles...

Guys who are Used to Being PUSHED At Home are Finding themselves Standing Around Practically Training Themselves @ the daily Colorado Springs Workouts...& Guys who Normally Eat HEALTHY at Home Are Alarmed when Dan Campbell Actually Feeds them McDonalds...

And Besides that, the Real Trainers of the Fighters Don't Feel WELCOMED by Dan...Everybody Knows Dan's the Boss & that's Fine...But what Would it Hurt to Allow the Regular Trainers to Prep their Guys, Prior to Leaving for Beijing???

[kidscoach]

It isn't that those regular coaches felt "unwelcome" at the training center, a number of them were not even allowed to enter the complex nor speak to their athlete.
And as for the "team spirit" and "bonding", word is that Andrade is not even allowed to live at the OTC, because of all the trouble he has been in both with the campus security and the Colorado Springs police dept. And we kicked Yanez off the team for missing training?
However, it is indeed time to move on and pray that this team is able to bring home gold. We are wholeheartedly thankful this is not Russia with their rules and ways, but the good old USA, and its time to go kick butt! I hope all of these athletes know that all of us are behind them rooting them on, no matter what commotion went on this last year. There's plenty of time after they come home for the fat to be sizzling in the fire, and I have no doubt it will sizzle.

[JMac]

REED wrote:

but Guys are Complaining about Things like Sparring, Roadwork, the Activity Level & their Diets in Colorado Springs...

Guys that NORMALLY Spar 10-12 Rounds at Home are Being Kicked OUT of the Ring after 6 Rounds...Guys who Run 4-6 Miles at Home are Being Told to Run 2 Miles...

Speaking as a coach that knows something about exercise physiology, amateur boxers do not ever need to be sparring 10-12 rounds or run long distances like 4-6 miles. Save that for the pros which is a differnt pace. Amateur boxing is more of an anaerobic endurance activity. Pro boxing is an aerobic endurance sport.
Training for each is different.
Many of USA boxers do well despite their coaches not knowing proper training techniques. I hate to say it but many countries do a better job of training their coaches in areas like exercise physiology. Most US coaches are volunteers. They do a great job of working with "at risk youth" with limited resources and training. Many rely on their own past boxing experiences. But they put too much emphasis on pro boxing stlyes and training. USA Boxing needs to do a better job of training our coaches. The conditioning type of training at the Olympic training center is based on exercise physiology, not what the old time pro boxers did. Let's see what happens in Beijing. I can tell you that the Europeans, Cubans and many other countries are using the same conditioning techniques that is used at the OTC.
As for all this other stuff in regards to Yanez or the coaches, give it a rest. Time to move on, support the team. This is the 'www', world wide web. No need to air dirty laundry for the world to see.

[therealPunchDrunk]

Great post JMac!! I definitely agree with you on this one. In fact, as I've said earlier, Yanez' own trainer shows that he doesn't know the first thing about training theory and exercise physiology in the articlae that REED posted. A lot of fighters succeed because they're extremely talented, and do so in spite of the training they do, not because of it.

[ZMOMMI]

REED wrote:

but Guys are Complaining about Things like Sparring, Roadwork, the Activity Level & their Diets in Colorado Springs...

Guys that NORMALLY Spar 10-12 Rounds at Home are Being Kicked OUT of the Ring after 6 Rounds...Guys who Run 4-6 Miles at Home are Being Told to Run 2 Miles...

Speaking as a coach that knows something about exercise physiology, amateur boxers do not ever need to be sparring 10-12 rounds or run long distances like 4-6 miles. Save that for the pros which is a differnt pace. Amateur boxing is more of an anaerobic endurance activity. Pro boxing is an aerobic endurance sport.
Training for each is different.
Many of USA boxers do well despite their coaches not knowing proper training techniques. I hate to say it but many countries do a better job of training their coaches in areas like exercise physiology. Most US coaches are volunteers. They do a great job of working with "at risk youth" with limited resources and training. Many rely on their own past boxing experiences. But they put too much emphasis on pro boxing stlyes and training. USA Boxing needs to do a better job of training our coaches. The conditioning type of training at the Olympic training center is based on exercise physiology, not what the old time pro boxers did. Let's see what happens in Beijing. I can tell you that the Europeans, Cubans and many other countries are using the same conditioning techniques that is used at the OTC.
As for all this other stuff in regards to Yanez or the coaches, give it a rest. Time to move on, support the team. This is the 'www', world wide web. No need to air dirty laundry for the world to see.

WELL SAID JMAC!!

[REED]

REED wrote:

but Guys are Complaining about Things like Sparring, Roadwork, the Activity Level & their Diets in Colorado Springs...

Guys that NORMALLY Spar 10-12 Rounds at Home are Being Kicked OUT of the Ring after 6 Rounds...Guys who Run 4-6 Miles at Home are Being Told to Run 2 Miles...

Speaking as a coach that knows something about exercise physiology, amateur boxers do not ever need to be sparring 10-12 rounds or run long distances like 4-6 miles. Save that for the pros which is a differnt pace. Amateur boxing is more of an anaerobic endurance activity. Pro boxing is an aerobic endurance sport.
Training for each is different.
Many of USA boxers do well despite their coaches not knowing proper training techniques. I hate to say it but many countries do a better job of training their coaches in areas like exercise physiology. Most US coaches are volunteers. They do a great job of working with "at risk youth" with limited resources and training. Many rely on their own past boxing experiences. But they put too much emphasis on pro boxing stlyes and training. USA Boxing needs to do a better job of training our coaches. The conditioning type of training at the Olympic training center is based on exercise physiology, not what the old time pro boxers did. Let's see what happens in Beijing. I can tell you that the Europeans, Cubans and many other countries are using the same conditioning techniques that is used at the OTC.
As for all this other stuff in regards to Yanez or the coaches, give it a rest. Time to move on, support the team. This is the 'www', world wide web. No need to air dirty laundry for the world to see.

So we're Going to PRETEND that U.S. Ammy Fighters Are NOT Thinking about Being Pros???...You can Count on ZERO Fingers, the Amount of U.S. Olympic Fighters who DON'T Think about Being Pros...

Whether that's GOOD or BAD is a Whole 'Nother Discussion, but is IS what it IS...

Moreso, HOW does it HURT an Olympic Fighter to do Pro Style Training???...Is Eating McDonald's Supposed to B MORE Beneficial than Pro Style Training???....

Other Countries Do Better in the Games Because they have THE SAME Representives Year After Year...Like the Cuban Team will have SEVERAL Guys Appearing in 3-4 Olympic Games...A Guy like Rau'Shee is a RARITY in U.S. Olympic Boxing...

NONE of Ya'll Seem to Want to Address the ACTUAL WorkOut that these U.S. Fighters Get (or DON'T Get, as the Case May Be)...They're Used to Working HARDER, LONGER & @ a More STRINGENT Pace than they Do in Colorado Springs...

I Honestly CAN'T See how it's BAD for a 4 Round Fighter to Spar 10-12 Rounds as Opposed to Sparring 2 Rounds...If Anything, the Loooooooonger Duration will INSURE that the Fighter is Better Equipped for a 4 Round Fight...How is 2 Rounds of Work Supposed to Prepare you for 4 Rounds of Action???...

As a Pro, U're Usually Looking for that 2nd Wind by the 4th-5th Round...But if U're an Ammy ALREADY Doing Pro Training, that 4th-5th Round WON'T Faze you @ All...

[locoxelbox]

Sorry Reed, you may be a good boxing writer but you don't understand anything about training. An amateur training for the Olympics can't spar 10-12 rounds because the intensity would be too low. He needs to train for the competition distance. It's like Asafa Powell would be training for the Olympics running a marathon when he needs to run much faster, eg shorter distance/time.
I talked to the US Olympians, actually I interviewed Warren and Shawn Estrada and both said the same thing: They know they will turn pro after the Olympics and they are confident they'll do good BUT they are only thinking about the Olympics, the gold medal means everything to them and they won't distract themselves with the pro stuff now.
Warren also said he preferred the way they trained now compared to the 2004 Olympics.

[JMac]

REED wrote:

So we're Going to PRETEND that U.S. Ammy Fighters Are NOT Thinking about Being Pros???...You can Count on ZERO Fingers, the Amount of U.S. Olympic Fighters who DON'T Think about Being Pros...

Whether that's GOOD or BAD is a Whole 'Nother Discussion, but is IS what it IS...

Moreso, HOW does it HURT an Olympic Fighter to do Pro Style Training???...Is Eating McDonald's Supposed to B MORE Beneficial than Pro Style Training???....

Other Countries Do Better in the Games Because they have THE SAME Representives Year After Year...Like the Cuban Team will have SEVERAL Guys Appearing in 3-4 Olympic Games...A Guy like Rau'Shee is a RARITY in U.S. Olympic Boxing...

NONE of Ya'll Seem to Want to Address the ACTUAL WorkOut that these U.S. Fighters Get (or DON'T Get, as the Case May Be)...They're Used to Working HARDER, LONGER & @ a More STRINGENT Pace than they Do in Colorado Springs...

I Honestly CAN'T See how it's BAD for a 4 Round Fighter to Spar 10-12 Rounds as Opposed to Sparring 2 Rounds...If Anything, the Loooooooonger Duration will INSURE that the Fighter is Better Equipped for a 4 Round Fight...How is 2 Rounds of Work Supposed to Prepare you for 4 Rounds of Action???...

As a Pro, U're Usually Looking for that 2nd Wind by the 4th-5th Round...But if U're an Ammy ALREADY Doing Pro Training, that 4th-5th Round WON'T Faze you @ All...

Of course the US boxers are going to be turning pro after the Olympics but they're not pro's yet. There is a big difference between boxing 8 minutes versus boxing 30 or 36 minutes. As locoxelbox said, you don't train a sprinter they same way you train a distance runner. Working HARDER, LONGER & @ a More STRINGENT Pace could be good psychologically but physiologically bad. If they want to win the gold medal, they will be boxing over a 3 week long tournament. The body is going to wear down.

International amateur boxing that is scored by electronic scoring versus pro boxing that uses a different scoring system is like comparing apples to oranges. Training pro style for the Olympics will hurt, not help the boxer. Some countries have the style down to a science on what they need to do to win.

Now that the Soviet Union has broken up into 15 different countries and they are no longer communist, they are turning pro. Russia may have only 1 or 2 or maybe no boxers that are repeats from '04. Cuba lost 5 top boxers to defection and will have a mostly new team this Olympics. USA has not done that well in recent Olympics because our best boxers turn pro at a young age. When they are amateurs and get to a few international tournaments and lose, they got frustrated and figure they may as well turn pro and make some money if they are going to get screwed. In the past they lost to politics under the past AIBA President Choudhry who was very corrupt but they also were young with little international experience and had the wrong style for the scoring system which they were not learning from their local coaches. One of the big reasons to bring the Olympic team into the OTC was to learn the international style or how to box to the system.

As for the diets of the boxers, they live at the OTC which has all the right food they need. If they are eating at Mickey D's, well I'm not sure who to blame for that. The boxers need to take some responsibility.

[REED]

REED wrote:

So we're Going to PRETEND that U.S. Ammy Fighters Are NOT Thinking about Being Pros???...You can Count on ZERO Fingers, the Amount of U.S. Olympic Fighters who DON'T Think about Being Pros...

Whether that's GOOD or BAD is a Whole 'Nother Discussion, but it IS what it IS...

Moreso, HOW does it HURT an Olympic Fighter to do Pro Style Training???...Is Eating McDonald's Supposed to B MORE Beneficial than Pro Style Training???....

Other Countries Do Better in the Games Because they have THE SAME Representives Year After Year...Like the Cuban Team will have SEVERAL Guys Appearing in 3-4 Olympic Games...A Guy like Rau'Shee is a RARITY in U.S. Olympic Boxing...

NONE of Ya'll Seem to Want to Address the ACTUAL WorkOut that these U.S. Fighters Get (or DON'T Get, as the Case May Be)...They're Used to Working HARDER, LONGER & @ a More STRINGENT Pace than they Do in Colorado Springs...

I Honestly CAN'T See how it's BAD for a 4 Round Fighter to Spar 10-12 Rounds as Opposed to Sparring 2 Rounds...If Anything, the Loooooooonger Duration will INSURE that the Fighter is Better Equipped for a 4 Round Fight...How is 2 Rounds of Work Supposed to Prepare you for 4 Rounds of Action???...

As a Pro, U're Usually Looking for that 2nd Wind by the 4th-5th Round...But if U're an Ammy ALREADY Doing Pro Training, that 4th-5th Round WON'T Faze you @ All...

Of course the US boxers are going to be turning pro after the Olympics but they're not pro's yet. There is a big difference between boxing 8 minutes versus boxing 30 or 36 minutes. As locoxelbox said, you don't train a sprinter they same way you train a distance runner. Working HARDER, LONGER & @ a More STRINGENT Pace could be good psychologically but physiologically bad. If they want to win the gold medal, they will be boxing over a 3 week long tournament. The body is going to wear down.

International amateur boxing that is scored by electronic scoring versus pro boxing that uses a different scoring system is like comparing apples to oranges. Training pro style for the Olympics will hurt, not help the boxer. Some countries have the style down to a science on what they need to do to win.

Now that the Soviet Union has broken up into 15 different countries and they are no longer communist, they are turning pro. Russia may have only 1 or 2 or maybe no boxers that are repeats from '04. Cuba lost 5 top boxers to defection and will have a mostly new team this Olympics. USA has not done that well in recent Olympics because our best boxers turn pro at a young age. When they are amateurs and get to a few international tournaments and lose, they got frustrated and figure they may as well turn pro and make some money if they are going to get screwed. In the past they lost to politics under the past AIBA President Choudhry who was very corrupt but they also were young with little international experience and had the wrong style for the scoring system which they were not learning from their local coaches. One of the big reasons to bring the Olympic team into the OTC was to learn the international style or how to box to the system.

As for the diets of the boxers, they live at the OTC which has all the right food they need. If they are eating at Mickey D's, well I'm not sure who to blame for that. The boxers need to take some responsibility.

Boxing ISN'T Rocket Science, Fellas...

As Such, if You Can Spar 10-12 HARD Rounds, HOW is a 4 Round Ammy Fight Going to NEGATIVELY Affect you???...Today's LOCAL Trainers are LESSENING the Learning Curve between Pro & Ammy Fighters...MOST U.S. Ammy's that I'm in Contact with Spar PRO Level Rounds...& Quite a Few of them Do So with 30 Second Rest Periods...

I'm Not Really Sure How ANY of ya'll Can Rationalize Sparring FEWER Rounds than the Guys are Accustomed to...The Boxer-Distance Runner Analogy DOESN'T Hold Water Cause ALL Olympic Boxers Fight 4 Rounds MAX...If SOME of them Fought 2 Round Fights then Sure, I Could See the Need to Spar Fewer Rounds...But they DON'T...

The Last Time Yanez Stayed Home for an Extended Period of Time, he Won GOLD @ the Pan Am's...That's NOT a Coincidence, Boys & Girls...

Again, @ Least HALF of the Team OPENLY Bitches about the Coaching/Training in Colorado Springs vs. What they Get @ Home...& as we Type, NOBODY has Answered th 3 Questions I Asked in my Initial Post...

So it's the Fighters Fault that they Eat McDonald's???...Do You Hold Dan Campbell Responsible for ANYTHING???

[JMac]

Boxing isn't rocket science but there is science behind training principals and it is obvious you don't get it so I'll quit trying to explain. As for your other questions, give it a rest until after the olympics.

[therealPunchDrunk]

REED wrote:

So we're Going to PRETEND that U.S. Ammy Fighters Are NOT Thinking about Being Pros???...You can Count on ZERO Fingers, the Amount of U.S. Olympic Fighters who DON'T Think about Being Pros...

Whether that's GOOD or BAD is a Whole 'Nother Discussion, but it IS what it IS...

Moreso, HOW does it HURT an Olympic Fighter to do Pro Style Training???...Is Eating McDonald's Supposed to B MORE Beneficial than Pro Style Training???....

Other Countries Do Better in the Games Because they have THE SAME Representives Year After Year...Like the Cuban Team will have SEVERAL Guys Appearing in 3-4 Olympic Games...A Guy like Rau'Shee is a RARITY in U.S. Olympic Boxing...

NONE of Ya'll Seem to Want to Address the ACTUAL WorkOut that these U.S. Fighters Get (or DON'T Get, as the Case May Be)...They're Used to Working HARDER, LONGER & @ a More STRINGENT Pace than they Do in Colorado Springs...

I Honestly CAN'T See how it's BAD for a 4 Round Fighter to Spar 10-12 Rounds as Opposed to Sparring 2 Rounds...If Anything, the Loooooooonger Duration will INSURE that the Fighter is Better Equipped for a 4 Round Fight...How is 2 Rounds of Work Supposed to Prepare you for 4 Rounds of Action???...

As a Pro, U're Usually Looking for that 2nd Wind by the 4th-5th Round...But if U're an Ammy ALREADY Doing Pro Training, that 4th-5th Round WON'T Faze you @ All...

Of course the US boxers are going to be turning pro after the Olympics but they're not pro's yet. There is a big difference between boxing 8 minutes versus boxing 30 or 36 minutes. As locoxelbox said, you don't train a sprinter they same way you train a distance runner. Working HARDER, LONGER & @ a More STRINGENT Pace could be good psychologically but physiologically bad. If they want to win the gold medal, they will be boxing over a 3 week long tournament. The body is going to wear down.

International amateur boxing that is scored by electronic scoring versus pro boxing that uses a different scoring system is like comparing apples to oranges. Training pro style for the Olympics will hurt, not help the boxer. Some countries have the style down to a science on what they need to do to win.

Now that the Soviet Union has broken up into 15 different countries and they are no longer communist, they are turning pro. Russia may have only 1 or 2 or maybe no boxers that are repeats from '04. Cuba lost 5 top boxers to defection and will have a mostly new team this Olympics. USA has not done that well in recent Olympics because our best boxers turn pro at a young age. When they are amateurs and get to a few international tournaments and lose, they got frustrated and figure they may as well turn pro and make some money if they are going to get screwed. In the past they lost to politics under the past AIBA President Choudhry who was very corrupt but they also were young with little international experience and had the wrong style for the scoring system which they were not learning from their local coaches. One of the big reasons to bring the Olympic team into the OTC was to learn the international style or how to box to the system.

As for the diets of the boxers, they live at the OTC which has all the right food they need. If they are eating at Mickey D's, well I'm not sure who to blame for that. The boxers need to take some responsibility.

Boxing ISN'T Rocket Science, Fellas...

As Such, if You Can Spar 10-12 HARD Rounds, HOW is a 4 Round Ammy Fight Going to NEGATIVELY Affect you???...Today's LOCAL Trainers are LESSENING the Learning Curve between Pro & Ammy Fighters...MOST U.S. Ammy's that I'm in Contact with Spar PRO Level Rounds...& Quite a Few of them Do So with 30 Second Rest Periods...

I'm Not Really Sure How ANY of ya'll Can Rationalize Sparring FEWER Rounds than the Guys are Accustomed to...The Boxer-Distance Runner Analogy DOESN'T Hold Water Cause ALL Olympic Boxers Fight 4 Rounds MAX...If SOME of them Fought 2 Round Fights then Sure, I Could See the Need to Spar Fewer Rounds...But they DON'T...

The Last Time Yanez Stayed Home for an Extended Period of Time, he Won GOLD @ the Pan Am's...That's NOT a Coincidence, Boys & Girls...

Again, @ Least HALF of the Team OPENLY Bitches about the Coaching/Training in Colorado Springs vs. What they Get @ Home...& as we Type, NOBODY has Answered th 3 Questions I Asked in my Initial Post...

So it's the Fighters Fault that they Eat McDonald's???...Do You Hold Dan Campbell Responsible for ANYTHING???

Training is a science, absolutely. Sparring 10-12 rounds will never have the same intensity as sparring 4 rounds, just like you can never run 6 miles at the same pace you can run 4 half mile sprints. That's why you shouldn't spar 10-12 rounds (at least not regularly), the intensity goes down, and the focus on doing what you need to do within a four round fight is out the window.

You're talking about lessening the curve between amateurs and pro's. Do you realize these boys are going to the Olympics??? That is what they need to train for!

Whether they're doing the right thing at OTC, I don't know, so I'm not gonna defend it, just pointing out that some of the criticism you come up with is based on lack of understanding of training physiology and amateur/Olympic boxing. One thing is for sure, if your "boxing isn't science" attitude prevails, the American Olympic results are gonna continue to plummet.

P.S. It is also clear that you're buddy buddy with Yanez, which means you're biased. That is a piss poor foundation for a journalistic piece of work, which explains the quality of your article. Fair journalism let's both sides be heard, and you admittedly haven't even talked to Campbell. Maybe you should concentrate on learning the basics of your craft?

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Do U HONESTLY Think I Give a Shit about your Critique of my Written Work??

My Article was Cited in a NATIONAL Newspaper, which Speaks LOUDER than any "PunchDrunk" Messageboard Poster...

Yeah, my Article is Sooooo "Biased" that I had 4 DIFFERENT Sources Giving me Information...It's Sooooo "Biased" that I QUOTED Dan Campbell's OWN WORDS from the Washington Times...

You Sound like a Dan Campbell Groupie...Will you be Bringing your Pom Pom's to Beijing???

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Boxing isn't rocket science but there is science behind training principals and it is obvious you don't get it so I'll quit trying to explain. As for your other questions, give it a rest until after the olympics.

You'll "Quit" Trying to Explain???...

Who are You, Eddie Futch???...Angelo Dundee???...

[Dennis]

P.S. It is also clear that you're buddy buddy with Yanez, which means you're biased. That is a piss poor foundation for a journalistic piece of work, which explains the quality of your article. Fair journalism let's both sides be heard, and you admittedly haven't even talked to Campbell. Maybe you should concentrate on learning the basics of your craft?

Fair journalism? Have you read newspaper articles recently? Most writers and many newspapers as a whole have a "political leaning" or some other bias and write their stories to fit their own views. Journalists often do not want to even hear "the other side of the story" let alone write about it.

[therealPunchDrunk]

Do U HONESTLY Think I Give a Shit about your Critique of my Written Work??

My Article was Cited in a NATIONAL Newspaper, which Speaks LOUDER than any "PunchDrunk" Messageboard Poster...

Yeah, my Article is Sooooo "Biased" that I had 4 DIFFERENT Sources Giving me Information...It's Sooooo "Biased" that I QUOTED Dan Campbell's OWN WORDS from the Washington Times...

You Sound like a Dan Campbell Groupie...Will you be Bringing your Pom Pom's to Beijing???

Your sources were all from the same side, and picking a quote from Campbell that conveniently makes him look bad in the light of what the rest of your sources are saying just underlines your bias. What any real journalist would have done is present Campbell with the accusations, so he could defend himself. That is fair and balanced journalism.
the rest of your jr high nonsense I'm not even gonna dignify with an answer.

[therealPunchDrunk]

P.S. It is also clear that you're buddy buddy with Yanez, which means you're biased. That is a piss poor foundation for a journalistic piece of work, which explains the quality of your article. Fair journalism let's both sides be heard, and you admittedly haven't even talked to Campbell. Maybe you should concentrate on learning the basics of your craft?

Fair journalism? Have you read newspaper articles recently? Most writers and many newspapers as a whole have a "political leaning" or some other bias and write their stories to fit their own views. Journalists often do not want to even hear "the other side of the story" let alone write about it.

That makes it the right way to do things? I know American journalism leaves a lot to be desired, but saying that it's okay to do a shitty job because others do too is a funny way to rationalize things...

[REED]

Do U HONESTLY Think I Give a Shit about your Critique of my Written Work??

My Article was Cited in a NATIONAL Newspaper, which Speaks LOUDER than any "PunchDrunk" Messageboard Poster...

Yeah, my Article is Sooooo "Biased" that I had 4 DIFFERENT Sources Giving me Information...It's Sooooo "Biased" that I QUOTED Dan Campbell's OWN WORDS from the Washington Times...

You Sound like a Dan Campbell Groupie...Will you be Bringing your Pom Pom's to Beijing???

Your sources were all from the same side, and picking a quote from Campbell that conveniently makes him look bad in the light of what the rest of your sources are saying just underlines your bias. What any real journalist would have done is present Campbell with the accusations, so he could defend himself. That is fair and balanced journalism.
the rest of your jr high nonsense I'm not even gonna dignify with an answer.

You may Not Know this, but Getting Dan Campbell to Answer his Phone ISN'T the Easiest Thing to Do...You'd Probably have a Better Chance of Getting George W. Bush on the Phone 1st...Dan Usually Refers his Calls and Interview Requests to Ms. Goldsticker or Mr. Millman...

The FACT is, my Sources DIDN'T have an Agenda...They've Worked w/Dan for MAYBE a Year at Most...As Such, Those Kids have Absolutely NOTHING to Gain from Being Candid about Dan Campbell...

You're Accusing ME of "Bias", yet it's OBVIOUS you're Pro-Cambell &/or Pro-Trainer...So SPARE me your ATTEMPT At Objectivity, Dude...

Another FACT is, Dan Campbell Made HIMSELF look Bad in the Washington Times, Not Me...NOBODY Put a Gun to his Head & Forced him to Badmouth Rau'Shee, Boo-Boo & Russell, Jr....NOBODY Forced Dan to PUBLICLY Call Yanez "The Biggest Liar I Know", Either...

A VERY Wise Man 1nce Told me, "Dan's Already Shot Himself in the Foot and He's Aiming at the Other 1"....