Monday Night Fightzone:Thompson, Maniatis, Forsyth, Grinsted

[OzSweetScience]

Monday Night FightZone - Monday July 14, 2008

1. 6-8pm AEST- The Sweet Science National Boxing Program

Program #104: This week’s Sweet Science weekly boxing program marks the 2 year anniversary of the show and features the following:

– News panel Wrap with Paul Upham, Brad Cooke, Claude “The Black Diamond” Williams and Patrick Skene
Interviews with:

– Victorian promoter and TV identity Peter Maniatis on his upcoming documentary on Philippines boxing and the 250th edition of KO Boxing TV show
– Former Olympian and now professional heavyweight Adam Forsyth– ACT based trainer Ray Lovett on his indigenous Gym “Winnunga” which combines boxing with mechanical workshops
– Former TV Ringside and Ambrose Palmer fighter Terry Grinsted
– Former Commonwealth Junior Welterweight Champion and indigenous legend Hector Thompson

Radio: The Sweet Science Australian National boxing radio program is broadcast live to over 50 stations on the National Indigenous Radio Service including:

– Sydney: Koori Radio - 93.7 FM
– Melbourne: 3KND – 1503 AM
– Townsville: 4K1G - 107.1 FM

Internet: Listen live on http://www.gadigal.org.au - click on Koori Radio Live at the top of the page. Alternatively go to our partner sites http://www.4k1g.org or http://www.3knd.org.au

In November 2007, The Sweet Science won the CBAA award for commitment to Indigenous broadcasting - see http://www.cbaa.org.au/content.php/551.html

For more information on The Sweet Science please email [email protected]

2. 11-11.30pm - KOTV on Foxtel Channel 519 (Sky Racing Service)

KOTV is a half hour international weekly boxing news program courtesy of Sky Ringside that previews all the big upcoming fights, highlights of recent fights from across the globe, as well as interviews with legends both past and present.

This weeks show features:

– Feature on Oscar De La Hoya vs Rafael Ruelas
– Bizarre and controversial heavyweight action between Danny Wililams and Konstantin Airich
– From the Gold Vault : 1963 Sugar Ray Robinson vs Randolph Turpin

Note : KOTV is repeated at 9am AEST on Wednesday morning

3. 11.30 pm - 12.30am Canvas Classics on Foxtel Channel 519 (Sky Racing Service)

1994 – James Toney v Prince Charles Williams

[Brute]

Terry Grinsted once fought a gym mate of mine named Johnny Phillips in a four rounder on Channel Seven in Melbourne. It was Johnny's fifth fight and about Terry's tenth. In spite of this and a deficit in height and reach Johnny was all over Terry.

At the end of the fight Max Carlos proved himself a loyal Victorian and gave Terry the decision. both boxers looked at him in stunned amazement. Johnny, always a gentleman, shrugged his shoulders and walked over and shook hands with Terry. Even on the TV you could see Terry apologizing to him.

[OzSweetScience]

I might jog Terry's memory to see if he remembers this one.
Thanks for the lead.

[myrontheinvincable]

Brute: I was there also that night Phillips fought Grinsted, at ringside. Grinsted won every round. Phillips was aggressive and took the fight up to Grinsted, ( he had to do this in order to try and win) but Phillips was as open as a broken gate, and Grinsted just picked him off easily. Phillips thought he had won the fight as the aggessor, and complained to Grinsted then and there, who was a shy 17 year old kid, and who remained stunned and silent at Phillips silly protest, didn't know what to say to him and so just shook his head. Carlos did his job, and got it right. Maybe from your side of the ring it looked different. If Phillips is still sooking, , it might be time that they had a rematch and sorted it out, maybe on Fenech's next 'senior citizens' fight night? Grinsted has filled out a bit though, Johnny would need to gain at least another ten stone or more.

[Brute]

Johnny made no complaint at all. I do not know what fight you watched.

[myrontheinvincable]

I would need to know exactly how close you were standing to both these fighters after the fight ended that night BRUTE before I would give any credibility to what you say.

I would need to know one of four things before I could be bothered critiquing your most recent bias. Were you:
1. Sitting at home watching this fight on TV that night?
2. Sitting at ringside that night, whilst the audience was clapping the declared winner?
3. In Johnny's corner that night?
4. Or Are you: The inimitable Johnny Phillips himself?

Some coinciding comments about the point you might choose:

Point 1 - puts you in a category of tv audience, not so privy to what was actually said, or heard between the two fighters. (your comment 'even on TV you could see grinsted apologizing over the decision' tends to put you in this category)
Point 2 - puts you in the category of having the ears of an African elephant.
Point 3 - none of Phillip's cornermen rushed into the ring immediately to stick their nose between Grinsted and Phillips, as a witness to the conversation or complaint.
Point 4 - puts you in a category mate of having lost this "fight" many times over - get over it!

There is only one thing to do to sort this out - a rematch...........I'll talk to Grinsted in the next few minutes, and get him fired up, to run around his couch a few times today whilst he watches the footy; and to go off those chocky biscuits.

[Brute]

Next day at the gym Johnny did not have a mark on him. I remember that they used to fill Festival Hall with Victorians and fill the Victorians with beer. Johnny lodged no protest, but even the commentators seemed surprised. I have no idea how old either fighter was (I take Boxrec's dates of birth with a grain of salt) but Terry had twice as many fights as Johnny. Grinsted had lost a fight to a first up fighter named Glen Kingman in his previous fight and his corner blew up about it. The Grinsteds were noted sore losers.

Unfortunately I have not seen Johnny Phillips in more than thirty years and have no idea where he is.

[toppity]

Next day at the gym Johnny did not have a mark on him. I remember that they used to fill Festival Hall with Victorians and fill the Victorians with beer. Johnny lodged no protest, but even the commentators seemed surprised. I have no idea how old either fighter was (I take Boxrec's dates of birth with a grain of salt) but Terry had twice as many fights as Johnny. Grinsted had lost a fight to a first up fighter named Glen Kingman in his previous fight and his corner blew up about it. The Grinsteds were noted sore losers.

Unfortunately I have not seen Johnny Phillips in more than thirty years and have no idea where he is.

I wish there were still fights at festival hall.

[unleash06]

[quote="toppity"]I wish there were still fights at festival hall.
yeah, you are spot on there topp, last time i was there i reckon i seen an overweight Mike "the bounty" Hunter smash Jimmy Thunder.

[myrontheinvincable]

I notice you didn't answer my (reasonable) questions BRUTE.

Your remarks are vague, and out of touch BRUTE. Even your recent and obvious visit to Boxrec has not helped you.... you poor ole duffer; Kingman's name is Bruce, not Glenn. Grinsted's elder brother is named Glenn. You might need to buy yourself a pen and paper, and write these critical things down BRUTE. I'll give you one thing, your short term memory matches your long term memory - both are fading, foggy and haphazardly vague.

Grinsted truly believed that Kingman won their first battle; this was grinsted's eleventh fight, his first loss. Grinsted always accepted that first lost against Kingman. What you say about that fight's aftermath is as made-up and as false as your similar attempt to smear grinsted with your poor comments about the Phillips fight. Everyone knew grinsted lost against Kingman (the first time they fought). Kingman bamboozled him in every round, and put grinsted under constant barages and attacks, and won that first fight - hands down - no question. That you say that Grinsted protested against this decision is ridiculously wrong. This was Kingman's first pro fight, and he was turning pro from approx 100+ amatuer fights, he was an Australian Amatuer champion. He was a very seasoned fighter Kingman. No way known that grinsted beat Kingman that first fight, grinsted has always said this. Palmer, grinsted's trainer, put grinsted under an exaustive training regime after that loss to Kingman, having grinsted spar extemely awkward and unconventional fighters; then Palmer asked for a rematch.

They rematched, and this next time that they fought, grinsted was primed and ready, and absolutely pasted Kingman in each round, so much so, in fact, that a news reporter said in his newspaper article the very next day, that grinsted's performance was "one of the most accomplished fighting performances that he had ever seen on TV Ringside". In every round of that six round bout, grinsted absolutely thrashed Kingman. (that second time) Not bad for a kid that was only 17 yrs old.

The soundly beaten Kingman, never fought again.

You're good at manufacturing your own bent jigsaw pieces BRUTE - to fit into gaps you have no real knowledge or clear memory of. Why, also, would you cast dispersions upon the accuracy of boxer's' dates of birth on boxrec BRUTE? Is this just more facts that you just don't like, or want to admit to, or that might add clarity to your murky fairytale stories? I think that the fact of knowing grinsted was only 17yrs when he fought Phillips or Kingman, doesn't fit comfortably with your 'poor ole Johnny Phillips hard done by fairytale'.

Well, you are half-right about one thing, that those grinsted boys never liked to lose; but they were never sore losers.

It's time that you got off the grinsted 'Train' I think BRUTE; you're head has hung too far out of the carriage window of your Train journey here, and you are repeatedly getting your head whacked by facts and "posts" along the way; the ticket inspector has checked your ticket and found it to be quite fraudulent; you've well and truly missed your station; better get off at the next stop mate, and do ask some friendly pilgrim to direct you home, and better get him to write down where you live for you.....just in case you forget.

[toppity]

i feel like I'm caught up in a history lesson. Only thing is I'm enjoying it and I used to hate school. Come on Myron, who are you? I'd love to know.

[unleash06]

i feel like I'm caught up in a history lesson. Only thing is I'm enjoying it and I used to hate school. Come on Myron, who are you? I'd love to know.

myron is terry grinsted's middle name!! is that a hint???

[toppity]

i feel like I'm caught up in a history lesson. Only thing is I'm enjoying it and I used to hate school. Come on Myron, who are you? I'd love to know.

myron is terry grinsted's middle name!! is that a hint???

hmmmmmmmm. the truth will probably never be known.

[myrontheinvincable]

Come on you blokes, you are all getting excited and chasing the wrong villain here.
Why not do some searching to unveil BRUTE'S identity.

Myron Jeffaka is my name; I am a very close friend of the grinsteds, and I am currently researching and writing Terry's story. I was alerted to the "inventive" BRUTE by another forum member, so I got on here to defend this current smudge campaign being run by Brute upon the gracious grinsted clan.

You onlookers aren't much help here.....you'd shoot off the leg of a timid wombat as it's being chased by a tusked, rabbied-infested hog, then call yourselves Animal Rights Activists.

I think youze blokes are scared of BRUTE or something. :( :) :x

[AntonS]

My resource merchant (historian) tells me Terry became a good fighter 'cos his lil' bro (barely out of nappies) belted him all the time.
Is this true Myron?

[myrontheinvincable]

No AntonS, you've got the bull by the tail, glenn is the elder brother, and he used to belt terry up all the time, until terry grew up. He wasn't happy just belting terry, he decided to hit Terry on the head with a brick one day; terry has a big V scar on the front of his head. He still sttttttutttterssss tttoooday beccauusee of thiiis, he is very hard to interview. Another time, glenn tried to bury terry with sand, whilst terry was asleep in his pram. To this date, terry staggers around the house at night with a gun, just waiting for that sandman to kreep up again.

This is gunna be a great book Anton.

[unleash06]

[I think youze blokes are scared of BRUTE or something. :( :) :x [/quote]

nah, i'm not scared of BRUTE hardly know the man, read a few of his posts but thats about it. and i'm pretty tough but don't consider myself INVINCABLE!!!!!!

[unleash06]

oh yeah, hey topp what night are we going out hunting timid wombats????

[toppity]

oh yeah, hey topp what night are we going out hunting timid wombats????

try to keep that to a thursday-thing really.

[Glenn Grinsted]

Hey Brute,

You said - "The Grinsteds were noted sore losers"

Now we'll show what a know nothing fool you are, & see if you can come up with evidence to support your allegation.

I lost 2 fights - 1 to Alan Davitt which was a nothing fight could have been a draw - we were both boxers who fought off the back foot, neither he nor I hurt , hit, in any trouble from each other whatsoever - a nothing fight. He got the nod and I took it gracefully. Now I have been in correspondence with Alan by email as recently as within the last 6 weeks and I am happy to give his email to a responsible forum member to check if I put on any sort of unsportsmanlike behaviour after he got the nod.

My other loss was a controversial one to Rocky Mattioli who told me that he thought I had won the fight, I gave him 10 popunds - 2 weight divisions and with the video in slo mo counted that I had landed 17 punches more than he in our contest- the video clearly shows me patting him on the head in congratulating him on his win, later we became good mates when he joined Palmer's gym & our fight was replayed at years end as one of the years best.

Thats right fool on the video - I have it- now this was my only experience at losing- not such a lot of losses that an opinion that we were sore losers could be formed. Both of the Grinsteds usually won so we didnt have a lot of experience at losing. My father fought in the 40s and 50s and had a very high win ratio, and strong fan base.

Had we stacked on a turn at loosing ,we would have immediately been admonished by both our dear trainer Ambrose Palmer and our dear late father Laurie Grinsted.

Now Brute are you a fool or what ?? - maybe you should change your alias [dog] name so you can appear to be another so called uninformed expert under another alias [ dog] name, and relive your fantasies.

Come on dog , be brave tell us what gym & what losses you suffered- I wouldnt expect you would tell us your name - probably nobody remembers you anyhow.

At least with your new mystery name this forum might think you know something, and you can again relive your fantasy that you know anything about boxing.

Glenn Grinsted

[Hounddawg]

Wow,

A bit of fire in the belly there.

good to see boxers posting here still.

[myrontheinvincable]

I hear brute is in the remand yard's computer room, has tied himself to his desk and chair, and is fending off guards by swinging his mouse at them...he just refuses to come into the Court Room and answer the charges. (the laughter of the jury could be too much to face)

[toppity]

I hear brute is in the remand yard's computer room, has tied himself to his desk and chair, and is fending off guards by swinging his mouse at them...he just refuses to come into the Court Room and answer the charges. (the laughter of the jury could be too much to face)

no need to gang up now. I'm sure Brute will answer in good time. It took Glenn decades before he posted here. Patience is a virtue myronmeister. :P

[myrontheinvincable]

I see it, the year 2030, in my crystal ball.

Brute aged 80yrs, is fiddling with his catheter in an aged care hospital. He pulls it out finally and goes to the ward's computer desk and logs onto Boxrec, starts a new thread, which says "Bruce Myron Grinsted didn't win that fight with Phillip Glenn Johnnsy on TV Ringside in 1971."

Research anthologists at Boxrec, on a large Government Science grant, immediately reply back to Brute...."We have no history of those names or fight ever taking place Brute"

Brute replies, "Woulds-ya look at Glenn Mattioli versus Johnnsy Grinsted then? Does that ring a bell?"

Finally the researchers find this old 2008 thread, where Brute has smudged the grinsted name with his small offerings. "Mmm serious stuff here Brute", they say " you should have checked your facts before you slandered the grinsteds back then, this is a serious indictable offence these days, in Cyberland, and retrospectively punishable too, if you have not said sorry since that slander; punishable by death or hard labour in fact - we have no option but to send you a summons to attend court Brute."

A few seconds pass, and Solicitor Flash Starman Galbally arrives promptly at Brute's aged care hospital, plugs his lie detector onto Brute's thumb immediately and says to Brute, "Do you tell lies?" Brute replies, "No !".... Flash Starman Galbally just shakes his head at Brute and says, "No jury will believe you Brute - this lie detecter sheet sure doesn't believes you either! If you are convicted, it will be death by needle, or hard labour at the Wyalla World synthetic food chain."

An appointment for the hearing is set on line for hearing within the hour. Flash Starman Galbally says to Brute , "The only way we can beat this Brute is by using an old precedent called "The Poor Ole Duffer Clause", a succesful, old precedent, for people who often speak before engaging their brain. In order to enter this precendent and to offset the charge, you will be required to stand in front of the computer screen camera today and say to the Cyber Judge and Jury loudly and three times, 'I AM SORRY, I AM JUST A SILLY OLE DUFFER' " Are you prepared to do this Brute.?? Brute says " No!" and puts his catheter back in and switches on his TV and pulls the sheet over his head.

Ex-parte, the case goes on, on the computer. Flash plea-argues in vain, 'that Brute's catheter would not contaminate any of the food packages'. The jury is not listening; 'The needle' is on its way to the hospital.

End this now Brute, say sorry, the grinsteds are forgiving souls.

[toppity]

funny stuff that.

Didn't pick this as a thread to take a life of it's own.