Classic American West Coast Boxing
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Since you brought up Tequila,I can always find a story. Here's my Tequila story.
When me and the wife got married,I wouldn't call it an extravagant wedding. Since she wasn't immigrated yet,I had to get marrued in Mexico. Yeah,I got married in Tijuana City Hall. Not exactly the Ritz.
At that time i had to file for a license that I had to circulate around TJ with a 5 spot attached for each "public servant". Then I had to mail it to Mexico City with more money inside the envelope and wait 10 weeks to get the OK to marry my wife. I had to be in love. Well I'm surprised the pemit was sent back in proper order. I was waiting for them to say I forgot to put the miney inside the envelope.
We get a date to go down to City Hall to seal the relationship on paper. All legal like. City Hall was in a building on the corner of 2nd and Constitution. A block up from Revolution Street. They have a new City Hall now in the Rio. I'm not quite sure what the old one is used for,but I always see a bunch of cops around the place with machine guns. Don't ask me why.
Anyway,me and the wife are standing in line with about 20 other victims...I meant couples.. It's just me and the wife. None of her family(thank God)and none of mine(God Bless America). We get to the front finally and meet another "public servant' Of course before this gentleman can marry us,I have to slip him some more money. Then he asks us if we have any witnesses. You've got to be kidding. i told the wife to bring the witnesses. WHO THe F--K KNEW THAT?
Well no marraige,but wait! Sitting outside on the curb are two bums drinking something out of a paper bag. MY WITNESSES!
I go to the curb and ask these guys if they want to be witnesses to this Fellini play.They say OK,but they want another bottle first on my dime.
"Ok amigos. What are you drinkin'?"
One of them tells me he's drinkin' Alcohol de Cana. That's 190 proof. They put that stuff in Indy Cars.
"Ok ,I'll go to the liquor store."
"Un momento senor.Since you are buying,you by us a bottle tequila. We don't want to hurt our health drinking the other stuff."
Imagine that? A couple of health nuts. Find out later that these two guys sit outside the City Hall all day long waiting for birds like me that don't have any winesses.
Sometimes i look at our marraige license. Yep, right on the line that says "witnesses" it says"Jose Cuervo and Don Patron"
When me and the wife got married,I wouldn't call it an extravagant wedding. Since she wasn't immigrated yet,I had to get marrued in Mexico. Yeah,I got married in Tijuana City Hall. Not exactly the Ritz.
At that time i had to file for a license that I had to circulate around TJ with a 5 spot attached for each "public servant". Then I had to mail it to Mexico City with more money inside the envelope and wait 10 weeks to get the OK to marry my wife. I had to be in love. Well I'm surprised the pemit was sent back in proper order. I was waiting for them to say I forgot to put the miney inside the envelope.
We get a date to go down to City Hall to seal the relationship on paper. All legal like. City Hall was in a building on the corner of 2nd and Constitution. A block up from Revolution Street. They have a new City Hall now in the Rio. I'm not quite sure what the old one is used for,but I always see a bunch of cops around the place with machine guns. Don't ask me why.
Anyway,me and the wife are standing in line with about 20 other victims...I meant couples.. It's just me and the wife. None of her family(thank God)and none of mine(God Bless America). We get to the front finally and meet another "public servant' Of course before this gentleman can marry us,I have to slip him some more money. Then he asks us if we have any witnesses. You've got to be kidding. i told the wife to bring the witnesses. WHO THe F--K KNEW THAT?
Well no marraige,but wait! Sitting outside on the curb are two bums drinking something out of a paper bag. MY WITNESSES!
I go to the curb and ask these guys if they want to be witnesses to this Fellini play.They say OK,but they want another bottle first on my dime.
"Ok amigos. What are you drinkin'?"
One of them tells me he's drinkin' Alcohol de Cana. That's 190 proof. They put that stuff in Indy Cars.
"Ok ,I'll go to the liquor store."
"Un momento senor.Since you are buying,you by us a bottle tequila. We don't want to hurt our health drinking the other stuff."
Imagine that? A couple of health nuts. Find out later that these two guys sit outside the City Hall all day long waiting for birds like me that don't have any winesses.
Sometimes i look at our marraige license. Yep, right on the line that says "witnesses" it says"Jose Cuervo and Don Patron"
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dagosd2000
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Beer was advertised a lot on the fights. Why not/ Fight fans like beer. It wasn't only Pabst Blue Ribbon,but I remember Hamm's and Schlitz too. Being a kid in Chicago was the first time I smelled the aroma of beer. My aunts on my mother's side married Poles and Germans and remember their husbands always with a beer. Don't recall Budweiser much,which is the number one seller in the U.S.,but Hamm's and Schlitz. The aroma though,and the golden color with a frothy head. Looked real good. Smelled good too.
But then my uncle lets me have a taste,and like all kids that sip their first taste,it don't taste that good. Alcohol for the first time makes you make a face. But it grows on you drinking beer. One day it's hotter than hell outside and nothing is more satisfying than a cold beer.
I understand how my uncles in Chicago grew fond of the hops. Now it's all these foreign beers and micro brews. To tell you the truth,you can have them. And that goes for light beer too. It's "in" to be seen or name drop some rare beer from Honduras. They taste awfull. And that goes for you Europeans. OK Bennie,I'll probably be hearin' from ya,but when I went to England I gagged everytime i had one of those warm pints of whatever. It's been explained that warm beer brings out the taste. Go serve that stuff at Madison Square Garden and it will bring out a riot. Bud. Ice cold. Everyone thinks they can concoct something better,and then put a name on it like "Rattlesnake Tits" or "Saint Sadie Marie" It's like trying to improve on Joe Louis. Leave it be.
Beer's got to be cold. IT DON'T TASTE GOOD WARM! I'll pull up a stool on the North Side of Chicago and toast a few COLD ONES with Pug anyday. I'll have a Bud. No glass. Cheerio!
But then my uncle lets me have a taste,and like all kids that sip their first taste,it don't taste that good. Alcohol for the first time makes you make a face. But it grows on you drinking beer. One day it's hotter than hell outside and nothing is more satisfying than a cold beer.
I understand how my uncles in Chicago grew fond of the hops. Now it's all these foreign beers and micro brews. To tell you the truth,you can have them. And that goes for light beer too. It's "in" to be seen or name drop some rare beer from Honduras. They taste awfull. And that goes for you Europeans. OK Bennie,I'll probably be hearin' from ya,but when I went to England I gagged everytime i had one of those warm pints of whatever. It's been explained that warm beer brings out the taste. Go serve that stuff at Madison Square Garden and it will bring out a riot. Bud. Ice cold. Everyone thinks they can concoct something better,and then put a name on it like "Rattlesnake Tits" or "Saint Sadie Marie" It's like trying to improve on Joe Louis. Leave it be.
Beer's got to be cold. IT DON'T TASTE GOOD WARM! I'll pull up a stool on the North Side of Chicago and toast a few COLD ONES with Pug anyday. I'll have a Bud. No glass. Cheerio!
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Well Dagos I'd be honored to have a drink with you or any of the guys posting here on this thread.
However nowadays it would have to be sasparilla,as I havent had a beer in ten years.
Ya see, some Irishmen like to drink and then write songs and poetry.
And some when they drink get a little....rambunctious.
Ive never written any songs or poetry.
However nowadays it would have to be sasparilla,as I havent had a beer in ten years.
Ya see, some Irishmen like to drink and then write songs and poetry.
And some when they drink get a little....rambunctious.
Ive never written any songs or poetry.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
The kid has a good sense of humor.
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OK buddy,this is how we'll work it out. Once in a while you give me credit on what I post. You like my stories . Here goes. We go to some joint on the North Side. We get a good snootfull. You start tearing the place apart and put a couple of guys in the hospital. Then it takes a few hundred cops to subdue you. You do that,and then I'll write about it.Expug wrote:Well Dagos I'd be honored to have a drink with you or any of the guys posting here on this thread.
However nowadays it would have to be sasparilla,as I havent had a beer in ten years.
Ya see, some Irishmen like to drink and then write songs and poetry.
And some when they drink get a little....rambunctious.
Ive never written any songs or poetry.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
I'm watching the fights on Tv. There coming from a place called Borango Casino and Spa Resort. I don't know where this place is ,but it don't look anything or sound anything like the Olympic Auditorium. Fights at the spa and resort. What's the world coming to? How can you start a riot or at least throw things at a spa?
Anyway,I've got an idea. KEEP ALL HAND HELD CAMERAS OUT OF THE RING. Especially just after a knockout. The camara man jumps into the ring and puts the lens in the face of some hyped up fighter who forgot how to spell "humility". Usually the fighter puts his face so close to the camera that all you can see is his mouth goin'. He's usually jabberin' away about his "homies" and the how "bad" he is and maybe he'll "throw up a sign."You could record this stuff,put it together ,and have a medley of Rap Songs that would sell millions.
I can't see Joe Louis doin' that ,even if he was fighting today. Joe didn't care about winnin' no Grammy's.
Anyway,I've got an idea. KEEP ALL HAND HELD CAMERAS OUT OF THE RING. Especially just after a knockout. The camara man jumps into the ring and puts the lens in the face of some hyped up fighter who forgot how to spell "humility". Usually the fighter puts his face so close to the camera that all you can see is his mouth goin'. He's usually jabberin' away about his "homies" and the how "bad" he is and maybe he'll "throw up a sign."You could record this stuff,put it together ,and have a medley of Rap Songs that would sell millions.
I can't see Joe Louis doin' that ,even if he was fighting today. Joe didn't care about winnin' no Grammy's.
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Sounds like a plan.dagosd2000 wrote:OK buddy,this is how we'll work it out. Once in a while you give me credit on what I post. You like my stories . Here goes. We go to some joint on the North Side. We get a good snootfull. You start tearing the place apart and put a couple of guys in the hospital. Then it takes a few hundred cops to subdue you. You do that,and then I'll write about it.Expug wrote:Well Dagos I'd be honored to have a drink with you or any of the guys posting here on this thread.
However nowadays it would have to be sasparilla,as I havent had a beer in ten years.
Ya see, some Irishmen like to drink and then write songs and poetry.
And some when they drink get a little....rambunctious.
Ive never written any songs or poetry.
Bring Frank along to bail me out and ya got a deal.
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And I'll get you out of jail. . .dagosd2000 wrote:OK buddy,this is how we'll work it out. Once in a while you give me credit on what I post. You like my stories . Here goes. We go to some joint on the North Side. We get a good snootfull. You start tearing the place apart and put a couple of guys in the hospital. Then it takes a few hundred cops to subdue you. You do that,and then I'll write about it.Expug wrote:Well Dagos I'd be honored to have a drink with you or any of the guys posting here on this thread.
However nowadays it would have to be sasparilla,as I havent had a beer in ten years.
Ya see, some Irishmen like to drink and then write songs and poetry.
And some when they drink get a little....rambunctious.
Ive never written any songs or poetry.
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You're! you're!!raylawpc wrote:And I'll get you out of jail. . .dagosd2000 wrote:OK buddy,this is how we'll work it out. Once in a while you give me credit on what I post. You like my stories . Here goes. We go to some joint on the North Side. We get a good snootfull. You start tearing the place apart and put a couple of guys in the hospital. Then it takes a few hundred cops to subdue you. You do that,and then I'll write about it.Expug wrote:Well Dagos I'd be honored to have a drink with you or any of the guys posting here on this thread.
However nowadays it would have to be sasparilla,as I havent had a beer in ten years.
Ya see, some Irishmen like to drink and then write songs and poetry.
And some when they drink get a little....rambunctious.
Ive never written any songs or poetry.(After all, Frank says I'm a modern day Clarence Darrow!!
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Thanks Ray, sounds like all the pieces are in place for a real throwback type of evening. ![[icon_e_biggrin.gif] :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
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Expug wrote:Sounds like a plan.dagosd2000 wrote:OK buddy,this is how we'll work it out. Once in a while you give me credit on what I post. You like my stories . Here goes. We go to some joint on the North Side. We get a good snootfull. You start tearing the place apart and put a couple of guys in the hospital. Then it takes a few hundred cops to subdue you. You do that,and then I'll write about it.Expug wrote:Well Dagos I'd be honored to have a drink with you or any of the guys posting here on this thread.
However nowadays it would have to be sasparilla,as I havent had a beer in ten years.
Ya see, some Irishmen like to drink and then write songs and poetry.
And some when they drink get a little....rambunctious.
Ive never written any songs or poetry.
Bring Frank along to bail me out and ya got a deal.

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You guys are CRAZY. Coincidentally, I'm of Irish blood. The old man was raised in County Galway and the old dear in County Cork.
It certainly explains my temper.
It certainly explains my temper.
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Frankie, I've heard some herald Ike Williams as the greatest lightweight ever. Others say he would have murdered Duran.
How would you describe him?
How would you describe him?
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kikibalt wrote:bennie wrote:Randy,
This is by no means a great forum, to many nuts on this site, most of us here on this thread stay away for the rest of the threads, beware!
Fortunately, we also have The Sweeney on the board, guys who don't give the nuts an inch.
Collins2000 is Detective Inspector Regan.
Collind2000 is top dog when it come to sniffing out the nuts, love that Collins...![]()
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bennie wrote:Frankie, I've heard some herald Ike Williams as the greatest lightweight ever. Others say he would have murdered Duran.
How would you describe him?
Bennie, I know this question is for Frank, and since I never saw Williams fight live, Frank is the one to answer this question. However, in my opinion, NOBODY would have murdered a prime Duran. However, my two favorite all-time lightweights are Williams and Duran. I think Williams might have been the guy to beat Roberto, but if he did, it would have been close, and maybe not on the next go round. Who knows. Really makes one think, huh?
-Rick
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When you see a lot of ex fighters walking around,it's a lttle sad. I was watching the other night an interview wit Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. They were on an HBO Special about baseball. The audience gave them a standing ovation,deservedly so. Bob Costas said they were the two greatwst living baseball players. No argument. Willie and Hank shared stories about their careers Some were funny,others showed the struggles they dealt with being some of the first Black players in the game. But they were very gratefull. No bitterness. Thay got a standing ovation. The audience couldn't get enough . You couldn't take your eyes off of them.
Contrast that with many former fighters. Ex Champs included. I'll take Bobby Chacon as an example. A Champ. A warrior who gave the fan his money's worth. You see him around the various Boxing Banquets and matches in the Southern California area. It's bittersweet. We see he's not the old Bobby. He needs care. His heart in the ring took presedence over anything else. He proved that he was a man in the extreme sense. He proved he was a man when he was taking his beatings in the ring.
The physical damage that's been done is irreversible. There's probably more deterioration down the road. Old age will add to it. Would you put him on National TV? An HBO Special? Not too likely. He'd get a standing ovation if they did. But maybe there'd be some tears in the audience.
Larry Merchant,when recalling the fight between Bobby and Little Red Lopez,asked Bobby why did he he keep fighting after his wife's tragic death and he could see his skills erooding. Bobby,who's very playfull now and seems like a fun loving child,changed expression. He stopped to reflect for a moment. He looked deep to answer. Seriously through slurred speech he said," I just didn't care any more."
You can see Bobby at the Longshoreman's Hall in Wilmington or Steven's Steak House in Commerce, California at local Boxing functions. If you care to see him,Bobby will be there.
Contrast that with many former fighters. Ex Champs included. I'll take Bobby Chacon as an example. A Champ. A warrior who gave the fan his money's worth. You see him around the various Boxing Banquets and matches in the Southern California area. It's bittersweet. We see he's not the old Bobby. He needs care. His heart in the ring took presedence over anything else. He proved that he was a man in the extreme sense. He proved he was a man when he was taking his beatings in the ring.
The physical damage that's been done is irreversible. There's probably more deterioration down the road. Old age will add to it. Would you put him on National TV? An HBO Special? Not too likely. He'd get a standing ovation if they did. But maybe there'd be some tears in the audience.
Larry Merchant,when recalling the fight between Bobby and Little Red Lopez,asked Bobby why did he he keep fighting after his wife's tragic death and he could see his skills erooding. Bobby,who's very playfull now and seems like a fun loving child,changed expression. He stopped to reflect for a moment. He looked deep to answer. Seriously through slurred speech he said," I just didn't care any more."
You can see Bobby at the Longshoreman's Hall in Wilmington or Steven's Steak House in Commerce, California at local Boxing functions. If you care to see him,Bobby will be there.
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I agree, Rick. People compare Ike Williams to Hearns - tall and deadly - when they say that but I happen to believe Duran 'allowed' himself to get sparked by Tommy, as outlandish as such a thing sounds. The Panamanian people wanted it after "No Mas", and before Duran finished his career. They needed to see Duran go out on his shield.Rick Farris wrote:bennie wrote:Frankie, I've heard some herald Ike Williams as the greatest lightweight ever. Others say he would have murdered Duran.
How would you describe him?
Bennie, I know this question is for Frank, and since I never saw Williams fight live, Frank is the one to answer this question. However, in my opinion, NOBODY would have murdered a prime Duran. However, my two favorite all-time lightweights are Williams and Duran. I think Williams might have been the guy to beat Roberto, but if he did, it would have been close, and maybe not on the next go round. Who knows. Really makes one think, huh?
-Rick
Thus, Duran went into the Hearns fight looking like he hadn't trained for a day and fought horribly out of character, as he swing wildly and recklessly (even an old Duran was NEVER reckless) and could barely keep his balance. The knockout was inevitable.
The people got what they wanted and Duran immediately retired.
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Rick,Rick Farris wrote:bennie wrote:Frankie, I've heard some herald Ike Williams as the greatest lightweight ever. Others say he would have murdered Duran.
How would you describe him?
Bennie, I know this question is for Frank, and since I never saw Williams fight live, Frank is the one to answer this question. However, in my opinion, NOBODY would have murdered a prime Duran. However, my two favorite all-time lightweights are Williams and Duran. I think Williams might have been the guy to beat Roberto, but if he did, it would have been close, and maybe not on the next go round. Who knows. Really makes one think, huh?
-Rick
I'll say that the two best lightweights I ever seen, and here, I'm talking live, have to be Duran and Williams, Who was the best? I really don't know, one day I'll say Duran, next day Williams, there might have been better LWs, but that would have had to be before my time, most of us know Duran, few know Williams, as most of the people from that era are like Williams gone, I was fortunate to have seen Williams fight live, starting in 1946, but time will cloud the mind and my memory is vague of his fights vs Enrique Bolanos, but what I can remember and what I have seen on film, Williams has to be on my 1-2 list of lightweights.
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Wow, that is very interesting to me Frank because you never hear much about Ike Williams. I don't recall too many people saying or writing much about him in the early 70s, when I got involved in boxing, or even much since then. Sounds like Williams was a lightweight version of Freddie Steele - very underrated, almost forgotten, today. Most of us (all of us except you, I guesskikibalt wrote:Rick,Rick Farris wrote:bennie wrote:Frankie, I've heard some herald Ike Williams as the greatest lightweight ever. Others say he would have murdered Duran.
How would you describe him?
Bennie, I know this question is for Frank, and since I never saw Williams fight live, Frank is the one to answer this question. However, in my opinion, NOBODY would have murdered a prime Duran. However, my two favorite all-time lightweights are Williams and Duran. I think Williams might have been the guy to beat Roberto, but if he did, it would have been close, and maybe not on the next go round. Who knows. Really makes one think, huh?
-Rick
I'll say that the two best lightweights I ever seen, and here, I'm talking live, have to be Duran and Williams, Who was the best? I really don't know, one day I'll say Duran, next day Williams, there might have been better LWs, but that would have had to be before my time, most of us know Duran, few know Williams, as most of the people from that era are like Williams gone, I was fortunate to have seen Williams fight live, starting in 1946, but time will cloud the mind and my memory is vague of his fights vs Enrique Bolanos, but what I can remember and what I have seen on film, Williams has to be on my 1-2 list of lightweights.
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Tom,
I have the second Bolanos fight on dvd, also have one one of the Jack fights, if you watch those fights, you can see what a great fighter Williams was.
I have the second Bolanos fight on dvd, also have one one of the Jack fights, if you watch those fights, you can see what a great fighter Williams was.
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That's the thing I like about this thread. I probably wouldn't have thought of Ike Williams as a top-5 lightweight in a million years. Now, I'll have to find out more about him, and re-think my appraisal of the lightweights of the late 40s and 50s.
Do you think part of the problem is that he was managed by Blinky Palmero, and that tainted his career in the eyes of so many people that he's rarely mentioned?
I remember he was one of the champions interviewed by Peter Heller in his book, In This Corner . . . I have to re-read the interview tonight when I get home.
Do you think part of the problem is that he was managed by Blinky Palmero, and that tainted his career in the eyes of so many people that he's rarely mentioned?
I remember he was one of the champions interviewed by Peter Heller in his book, In This Corner . . . I have to re-read the interview tonight when I get home.
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raylawpc wrote:That's the thing I like about this thread. I probably wouldn't have thought of Ike Williams as a top-5 lightweight in a million years. Now, I'll have to find out more about him, and re-think my appraisal of the lightweights of the late 40s and 50s.
Do you think part of the problem is that he was managed by Blinky Palmero, and that tainted his career in the eyes of so many people that he's rarely mentioned?
I remember he was one of the champions interviewed by Peter Heller in his book, In This Corner . . . I have to re-read the interview tonight when I get home.
I don't know if been managed by Palmero tainted his career at all, I think that he is one of those champions that don't get the credit he deserves, he is a forgotten great for sure.
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Ike Williams's record
Ike Williams
Country USA
Global Id 9020
Hometown Trenton, NJ
Birthplace Brunswick, GA
Division Lightweight
Born 1923-08-02
Died 1994-09-05
Stance Orthodox
Height 175cm
Career Record © www.boxrec.com
Date Opponent Location Result
1955-08-12 Beau Jack Augusta, USA W RTD 8
1955-04-09 Beau Jack Augusta, USA D PTS 10
1954-07-02 Rafael Lastre Havana, Cuba L PTS 10
1953-11-09 Jed Black Fort Wayne, USA L UD 10
1953-09-17 Dom Zimbardo Newark, USA W TKO 2
1953-06-08 Georgie Johnson Trenton, USA L TKO 8
1953-05-09 Billy Andy Erie, USA W PTS 10
1953-04-20 Billy Andy Trenton, USA W PTS 10
1953-03-28 Vic Cardell Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1953-03-09 Claude Hammond Trenton, USA W PTS 10
1953-01-12 Carmen Basilio Syracuse, USA L UD 10
1952-11-24 Pat Manzi Syracuse, USA W TKO 7
1952-03-26 Chuck Davey Chicago, USA L TKO 5
1952-03-17 Johnny Cunningham Baltimore, USA W KO 5
1951-09-10 Gil Turner Philadelphia, USA L TKO 10
1951-08-02 Don Williams Worcester, USA L PTS 10
1951-05-25 Jimmy Carter New York City, USA L TKO 14
1951-04-11 Fitzie Pruden Chicago, USA W PTS 10
1951-03-05 Beau Jack Providence, USA W SD 10
1951-02-19 Joe Miceli Philadelphia, USA L UD 10
1951-01-31 Vic Cardell Detroit, USA W TKO 9
1951-01-22 Ralph Zannelli Providence, USA W KO 5
1951-01-05 Jose Maria Gatica New York City, USA W KO 1
1950-12-18 Rudy Cruz Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1950-12-12 Dave Marsh Akron, USA W RTD 8
1950-11-23 Joe Miceli Milwaukee, USA W SD 10
1950-10-02 Joe Miceli Milwaukee, USA L UD 10
1950-09-26 Charley Salas Washington, USA W SD 10
1950-08-07 Charley Salas Washington, USA L UD 10
1950-07-12 George Costner Philadelphia, USA L UD 10
1950-06-02 Lester Felton Detroit, USA W UD 10
1950-02-27 John L Davis Seattle, USA W SD 10
1950-02-17 Sonny Boy West New York City, USA W KO 8
1950-01-20 Johnny Bratton Chicago, USA W TKO 8
1949-12-05 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA W UD 15
1949-11-14 Jean Walzack Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1949-10-24 Al Mobley Trenton, USA W PTS 10
1949-09-30 Doug Ratford Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1949-08-03 Benny Walker Oakland, USA W UD 10
1949-07-21 Enrique Bolanos Los Angeles, USA W TKO 4
1949-06-21 Irvin Steen Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1949-04-22 Vince Turpin Cleveland, USA W TKO 6
1949-04-01 Kid Gavilan New York City, USA L UD 10
1949-01-28 Kid Gavilan New York City, USA L MD 10
1949-01-17 Johnny Bratton Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1948-11-18 Billy Nixon Philadelphia, USA W TKO 4
1948-11-08 Buddy Garcia Philadelphia, USA W TKO 1
1948-09-23 Jesse Flores Bronx, USA W TKO 10
1948-07-12 Beau Jack Philadelphia, USA W TKO 6
1948-05-25 Enrique Bolanos Los Angeles, USA W SD 15
1948-05-05 Rudy Cruz Oakland, USA W UD 10
1948-02-27 Kid Gavilan New York City, USA W UD 10
1948-02-09 Livio Minelli Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1948-01-26 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA W MD 10
1948-01-13 Doug Carter Camden, USA W PTS 10
1947-12-12 Tony Pellone New York City, USA W UD 10
1947-10-10 Talmadge Bussey Detroit, USA W TKO 9
1947-09-29 Doll Rafferty Philadelphia, USA W KO 4
1947-08-04 Bob Montgomery Philadelphia, USA W TKO 6
1947-06-20 Tippy Larkin New York City, USA W KO 4
1947-05-26 Juste Fontaine Philadelphia, USA W TKO 4
1947-05-09 Ralph Zannelli Boston, USA W UD 10
1947-04-25 Willie Russell Columbus, USA W UD 10
1947-04-14 Frankie Conti Allentown, USA W TKO 7
1947-01-27 Gene Burton Chicago, USA L PTS 10
1946-09-04 Ronnie James Cardiff, United Kingdom W KO 9
National Boxing Association World Lightweight Title
1946-08-06 Ivan Christie Norwalk, USA W KO 2
1946-06-12 Bobby Ruffin Brooklyn, USA W TKO 5
1946-04-30 Enrique Bolanos Los Angeles, USA W TKO 8
National Boxing Association World Lightweight Title
1946-04-08 Eddie Giosa Philadelphia, USA W TKO 1
1946-03-11 Eddie Giosa Philadelphia, USA W TKO 4
1946-02-22 Ace Miller Detroit, USA W PTS 10
1946-02-14 Cleo Shans Orange, USA W PTS 10
1946-01-28 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA D MD 10
1946-01-20 Johnny Bratton New Orleans, USA W PTS 10
1946-01-08 Charlie 'Petey' Smith Trenton, USA W PTS 10
1945-11-26 Wesley Mouzon Philadelphia, USA D MD 10
1945-09-19 Sammy Angott Pittsburgh, USA L TKO 6
1945-09-07 Nick Moran New York City, USA W UD 10
1945-08-28 Gene Burton Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1945-08-14 Charlie 'Petey' Smith Union City, USA W PTS 10
1945-06-08 Willie Joyce New York City, USA L SD 10
1945-04-18 Juan Zurita Mexico City, Mexico W TKO 2
National Boxing Association World Lightweight Title
1945-03-26 Dorsey Lay Philadelphia, USA W KO 3
1945-03-02 Willie Joyce New York City, USA L UD 12
1945-01-22 Maxie Berger Philadelphia, USA W KO 4
1945-01-08 Willie Joyce Philadelphia, USA W UD 12
1944-12-11 Dave Castilloux Buffalo, USA W TKO 5
1944-12-05 Lulu Costantino Cleveland, USA W PTS 10
1944-11-13 Willie Joyce Philadelphia, USA L SD 10
1944-11-02 Ruby Garcia Baltimore, USA W TKO 7
1944-10-18 Johnny Green Buffalo, USA W KO 2
1944-09-19 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA W KO 4
1944-09-06 Sammy Angott Philadelphia, USA W SD 10
1944-08-29 Jimmy Hatcher Washington, USA W UD 10
1944-07-20 Julie Kogon New York City, USA W UD 10
1944-07-10 Joey Pirrone Philadelphia, USA W KO 1
1944-06-23 Cleo Shans New York City, USA W KO 10
1944-06-07 Sammy Angott Philadelphia, USA W SD 10
1944-05-16 Slugger White Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1944-04-17 Mike Delia Philadelphia, USA W KO 1
1944-04-10 Leroy Saunders Holyoke, USA W KO 5
1944-03-27 Joey Peralta Philadelphia, USA W TKO 9
1944-03-13 Leo Francis Trenton, USA W PTS 8
1944-02-28 Ellis Phillips Philadelphia, USA W TKO 1
1944-01-25 Bob Montgomery Philadelphia, USA L KO 12
1943-12-13 Mayon Padlo Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1943-11-29 Willie Cheatum New Britain, USA W PTS 8
1943-11-08 Johnny Hutchinson Philadelphia, USA W KO 3
1943-10-29 Gene Johnson New Orleans, USA W PTS 10
1943-10-22 Eddie Perry New Orleans, USA W KO 2
1943-10-01 Lefty LaChance Boston, USA W KO 4
1943-09-13 Jerry Moore West Springfield, USA W PTS 10
1943-08-31 Johnny Bellus Hartford, USA W PTS 10
1943-08-24 Tommy Jessup Hartford, USA W TKO 5
1943-07-19 Jimmy Hatcher Philadelphia, USA W TKO 6
1943-05-17 Ray Brown Philadelphia, USA W PTS 10
1943-05-07 Lefty LaChance Boston, USA W UD 8
1943-04-21 Joe Genovese Cleveland, USA W TKO 4
1943-04-05 Ruby Garcia Philadelphia, USA W PTS 8
1943-04-02 Rudy Giscombe New York City, USA W TKO 3
1943-03-08 Bill Speary Philadelphia, USA W TKO 2
1943-02-23 Bobby McQuillar Cleveland, USA W KO 3
1943-02-22 Sammy Daniels Philadelphia, USA W KO 2
1943-01-29 Jerry Moore New York City, USA W PTS 6
1942-12-21 Sammy Daniels Baltimore, USA W PTS 6
1942-12-07 Bobby Gunther Trenton, USA W PTS 8
1942-10-20 Gene Burton White Plains, USA W KO 4
1942-09-10 Charley 'Dixie' Davis Elizabeth, USA W PTS 8
1942-07-29 Angelo Maglione Trenton, USA W KO 3
1942-06-29 Ivan Christie Newark, USA W KO 5
1942-05-07 Abie Kaufman Atlantic City, USA W PTS 8
1942-04-24 Willie Roache Perth Amboy, USA W PTS 8
1942-04-10 Angelo Pantellas Atlantic City, USA W TKO 5
1942-03-26 Pedro Firpo Atlantic City, USA W PTS 8
1942-01-16 Ruby Garcia Atlantic City, USA W PTS 6
1941-12-16 Eddie Dowl Perth Amboy, USA W PTS 6
1941-11-03 Vince Delia Newark, USA W PTS 6
1941-10-27 Benny Williams Newark, USA D PTS 6
1941-10-01 Freddie Archer Perth Amboy, USA L PTS 8
1941-04-14 Hugh Civatte Trenton, USA W KO 3
1941-04-09 Johnny Rudolph Perth Amboy, USA W PTS 6
1941-03-19 Joe Genovese Perth Amboy, USA W PTS 6
1941-03-05 Joey Zodda Perth Amboy, USA L PTS 6
1941-02-19 Carl Zullo Perth Amboy, USA W KO 2
1941-01-06 Tommy Fontana Trenton, USA W PTS 8
1940-11-11 Angelo Maglione Trenton, USA L PTS 8
1940-09-09 Pete Kelly Trenton, USA W KO 2
1940-07-19 Joe Romero Mt. Freedom, USA W TKO 2
1940-06-14 Billy Hildebrand Mt. Freedom, USA W KO 6
1940-05-10 Billy Hildebrand Morristown, USA L PTS 6
1940-04-01 Patsy Gall Hazleton, USA D PTS 6
1940-03-29 Leroy Born New Brunswick, USA W PTS 4
1940-03-15 Carmine Fotti New Brunswick, USA W PTS 4
Record to Date
Won 125 (KOs 60) Lost 24 Drawn 5 Total 154
Ike Williams
Country USA
Global Id 9020
Hometown Trenton, NJ
Birthplace Brunswick, GA
Division Lightweight
Born 1923-08-02
Died 1994-09-05
Stance Orthodox
Height 175cm
Career Record © www.boxrec.com
Date Opponent Location Result
1955-08-12 Beau Jack Augusta, USA W RTD 8
1955-04-09 Beau Jack Augusta, USA D PTS 10
1954-07-02 Rafael Lastre Havana, Cuba L PTS 10
1953-11-09 Jed Black Fort Wayne, USA L UD 10
1953-09-17 Dom Zimbardo Newark, USA W TKO 2
1953-06-08 Georgie Johnson Trenton, USA L TKO 8
1953-05-09 Billy Andy Erie, USA W PTS 10
1953-04-20 Billy Andy Trenton, USA W PTS 10
1953-03-28 Vic Cardell Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1953-03-09 Claude Hammond Trenton, USA W PTS 10
1953-01-12 Carmen Basilio Syracuse, USA L UD 10
1952-11-24 Pat Manzi Syracuse, USA W TKO 7
1952-03-26 Chuck Davey Chicago, USA L TKO 5
1952-03-17 Johnny Cunningham Baltimore, USA W KO 5
1951-09-10 Gil Turner Philadelphia, USA L TKO 10
1951-08-02 Don Williams Worcester, USA L PTS 10
1951-05-25 Jimmy Carter New York City, USA L TKO 14
1951-04-11 Fitzie Pruden Chicago, USA W PTS 10
1951-03-05 Beau Jack Providence, USA W SD 10
1951-02-19 Joe Miceli Philadelphia, USA L UD 10
1951-01-31 Vic Cardell Detroit, USA W TKO 9
1951-01-22 Ralph Zannelli Providence, USA W KO 5
1951-01-05 Jose Maria Gatica New York City, USA W KO 1
1950-12-18 Rudy Cruz Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1950-12-12 Dave Marsh Akron, USA W RTD 8
1950-11-23 Joe Miceli Milwaukee, USA W SD 10
1950-10-02 Joe Miceli Milwaukee, USA L UD 10
1950-09-26 Charley Salas Washington, USA W SD 10
1950-08-07 Charley Salas Washington, USA L UD 10
1950-07-12 George Costner Philadelphia, USA L UD 10
1950-06-02 Lester Felton Detroit, USA W UD 10
1950-02-27 John L Davis Seattle, USA W SD 10
1950-02-17 Sonny Boy West New York City, USA W KO 8
1950-01-20 Johnny Bratton Chicago, USA W TKO 8
1949-12-05 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA W UD 15
1949-11-14 Jean Walzack Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1949-10-24 Al Mobley Trenton, USA W PTS 10
1949-09-30 Doug Ratford Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1949-08-03 Benny Walker Oakland, USA W UD 10
1949-07-21 Enrique Bolanos Los Angeles, USA W TKO 4
1949-06-21 Irvin Steen Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1949-04-22 Vince Turpin Cleveland, USA W TKO 6
1949-04-01 Kid Gavilan New York City, USA L UD 10
1949-01-28 Kid Gavilan New York City, USA L MD 10
1949-01-17 Johnny Bratton Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1948-11-18 Billy Nixon Philadelphia, USA W TKO 4
1948-11-08 Buddy Garcia Philadelphia, USA W TKO 1
1948-09-23 Jesse Flores Bronx, USA W TKO 10
1948-07-12 Beau Jack Philadelphia, USA W TKO 6
1948-05-25 Enrique Bolanos Los Angeles, USA W SD 15
1948-05-05 Rudy Cruz Oakland, USA W UD 10
1948-02-27 Kid Gavilan New York City, USA W UD 10
1948-02-09 Livio Minelli Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1948-01-26 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA W MD 10
1948-01-13 Doug Carter Camden, USA W PTS 10
1947-12-12 Tony Pellone New York City, USA W UD 10
1947-10-10 Talmadge Bussey Detroit, USA W TKO 9
1947-09-29 Doll Rafferty Philadelphia, USA W KO 4
1947-08-04 Bob Montgomery Philadelphia, USA W TKO 6
1947-06-20 Tippy Larkin New York City, USA W KO 4
1947-05-26 Juste Fontaine Philadelphia, USA W TKO 4
1947-05-09 Ralph Zannelli Boston, USA W UD 10
1947-04-25 Willie Russell Columbus, USA W UD 10
1947-04-14 Frankie Conti Allentown, USA W TKO 7
1947-01-27 Gene Burton Chicago, USA L PTS 10
1946-09-04 Ronnie James Cardiff, United Kingdom W KO 9
National Boxing Association World Lightweight Title
1946-08-06 Ivan Christie Norwalk, USA W KO 2
1946-06-12 Bobby Ruffin Brooklyn, USA W TKO 5
1946-04-30 Enrique Bolanos Los Angeles, USA W TKO 8
National Boxing Association World Lightweight Title
1946-04-08 Eddie Giosa Philadelphia, USA W TKO 1
1946-03-11 Eddie Giosa Philadelphia, USA W TKO 4
1946-02-22 Ace Miller Detroit, USA W PTS 10
1946-02-14 Cleo Shans Orange, USA W PTS 10
1946-01-28 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA D MD 10
1946-01-20 Johnny Bratton New Orleans, USA W PTS 10
1946-01-08 Charlie 'Petey' Smith Trenton, USA W PTS 10
1945-11-26 Wesley Mouzon Philadelphia, USA D MD 10
1945-09-19 Sammy Angott Pittsburgh, USA L TKO 6
1945-09-07 Nick Moran New York City, USA W UD 10
1945-08-28 Gene Burton Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1945-08-14 Charlie 'Petey' Smith Union City, USA W PTS 10
1945-06-08 Willie Joyce New York City, USA L SD 10
1945-04-18 Juan Zurita Mexico City, Mexico W TKO 2
National Boxing Association World Lightweight Title
1945-03-26 Dorsey Lay Philadelphia, USA W KO 3
1945-03-02 Willie Joyce New York City, USA L UD 12
1945-01-22 Maxie Berger Philadelphia, USA W KO 4
1945-01-08 Willie Joyce Philadelphia, USA W UD 12
1944-12-11 Dave Castilloux Buffalo, USA W TKO 5
1944-12-05 Lulu Costantino Cleveland, USA W PTS 10
1944-11-13 Willie Joyce Philadelphia, USA L SD 10
1944-11-02 Ruby Garcia Baltimore, USA W TKO 7
1944-10-18 Johnny Green Buffalo, USA W KO 2
1944-09-19 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA W KO 4
1944-09-06 Sammy Angott Philadelphia, USA W SD 10
1944-08-29 Jimmy Hatcher Washington, USA W UD 10
1944-07-20 Julie Kogon New York City, USA W UD 10
1944-07-10 Joey Pirrone Philadelphia, USA W KO 1
1944-06-23 Cleo Shans New York City, USA W KO 10
1944-06-07 Sammy Angott Philadelphia, USA W SD 10
1944-05-16 Slugger White Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1944-04-17 Mike Delia Philadelphia, USA W KO 1
1944-04-10 Leroy Saunders Holyoke, USA W KO 5
1944-03-27 Joey Peralta Philadelphia, USA W TKO 9
1944-03-13 Leo Francis Trenton, USA W PTS 8
1944-02-28 Ellis Phillips Philadelphia, USA W TKO 1
1944-01-25 Bob Montgomery Philadelphia, USA L KO 12
1943-12-13 Mayon Padlo Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1943-11-29 Willie Cheatum New Britain, USA W PTS 8
1943-11-08 Johnny Hutchinson Philadelphia, USA W KO 3
1943-10-29 Gene Johnson New Orleans, USA W PTS 10
1943-10-22 Eddie Perry New Orleans, USA W KO 2
1943-10-01 Lefty LaChance Boston, USA W KO 4
1943-09-13 Jerry Moore West Springfield, USA W PTS 10
1943-08-31 Johnny Bellus Hartford, USA W PTS 10
1943-08-24 Tommy Jessup Hartford, USA W TKO 5
1943-07-19 Jimmy Hatcher Philadelphia, USA W TKO 6
1943-05-17 Ray Brown Philadelphia, USA W PTS 10
1943-05-07 Lefty LaChance Boston, USA W UD 8
1943-04-21 Joe Genovese Cleveland, USA W TKO 4
1943-04-05 Ruby Garcia Philadelphia, USA W PTS 8
1943-04-02 Rudy Giscombe New York City, USA W TKO 3
1943-03-08 Bill Speary Philadelphia, USA W TKO 2
1943-02-23 Bobby McQuillar Cleveland, USA W KO 3
1943-02-22 Sammy Daniels Philadelphia, USA W KO 2
1943-01-29 Jerry Moore New York City, USA W PTS 6
1942-12-21 Sammy Daniels Baltimore, USA W PTS 6
1942-12-07 Bobby Gunther Trenton, USA W PTS 8
1942-10-20 Gene Burton White Plains, USA W KO 4
1942-09-10 Charley 'Dixie' Davis Elizabeth, USA W PTS 8
1942-07-29 Angelo Maglione Trenton, USA W KO 3
1942-06-29 Ivan Christie Newark, USA W KO 5
1942-05-07 Abie Kaufman Atlantic City, USA W PTS 8
1942-04-24 Willie Roache Perth Amboy, USA W PTS 8
1942-04-10 Angelo Pantellas Atlantic City, USA W TKO 5
1942-03-26 Pedro Firpo Atlantic City, USA W PTS 8
1942-01-16 Ruby Garcia Atlantic City, USA W PTS 6
1941-12-16 Eddie Dowl Perth Amboy, USA W PTS 6
1941-11-03 Vince Delia Newark, USA W PTS 6
1941-10-27 Benny Williams Newark, USA D PTS 6
1941-10-01 Freddie Archer Perth Amboy, USA L PTS 8
1941-04-14 Hugh Civatte Trenton, USA W KO 3
1941-04-09 Johnny Rudolph Perth Amboy, USA W PTS 6
1941-03-19 Joe Genovese Perth Amboy, USA W PTS 6
1941-03-05 Joey Zodda Perth Amboy, USA L PTS 6
1941-02-19 Carl Zullo Perth Amboy, USA W KO 2
1941-01-06 Tommy Fontana Trenton, USA W PTS 8
1940-11-11 Angelo Maglione Trenton, USA L PTS 8
1940-09-09 Pete Kelly Trenton, USA W KO 2
1940-07-19 Joe Romero Mt. Freedom, USA W TKO 2
1940-06-14 Billy Hildebrand Mt. Freedom, USA W KO 6
1940-05-10 Billy Hildebrand Morristown, USA L PTS 6
1940-04-01 Patsy Gall Hazleton, USA D PTS 6
1940-03-29 Leroy Born New Brunswick, USA W PTS 4
1940-03-15 Carmine Fotti New Brunswick, USA W PTS 4
Record to Date
Won 125 (KOs 60) Lost 24 Drawn 5 Total 154
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Everyone has seen the fight between Tyson and Douglas. There's been much critiquing of why Douglas won the title in Tokyo. One thing that isn't mentioned was the announcer that night. Bob Sheridan. He was a breath of freash air compared to what we have to listen to today. He was announcing alone like they used to do.I can't help but think,especially today,if you get two egos(or just one)calling a fight,you're going to have as much competition in front of the microphone as inside the ring.
Bob Sheridan during that fight wasn't trying to impress anyone. He gave a good blow by blow description,and even picked up on little things early in the fight that led to the inevitable upset. For instance when the referee brought the fighters together,Sheridan noticed that Tyson didn't have his "menacing" stare. Also Sheridan didn't say that Mike will get going and land the big one to win. Sheridan picked up on the pulse of that fight immediately. He was absorbed and anticipated the upset.Excited appropriately.
I'm sure because Sheridan was not a celebrity name announcer,Don King got him for a song. But let me set the record on this. Bob Sheridan's call that afternoon in Tokyo was as notable as any on record.
Bob Sheridan during that fight wasn't trying to impress anyone. He gave a good blow by blow description,and even picked up on little things early in the fight that led to the inevitable upset. For instance when the referee brought the fighters together,Sheridan noticed that Tyson didn't have his "menacing" stare. Also Sheridan didn't say that Mike will get going and land the big one to win. Sheridan picked up on the pulse of that fight immediately. He was absorbed and anticipated the upset.Excited appropriately.
I'm sure because Sheridan was not a celebrity name announcer,Don King got him for a song. But let me set the record on this. Bob Sheridan's call that afternoon in Tokyo was as notable as any on record.
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