Was Larry Holmes Right About Rocky Marciano?

[TheOneIsHere2008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32495vIK ... re=related

If you ignore the hyperbole could The Easton Assassin have disposed of The Brockton Blockbuster as easily as he believes?

[yancey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32495vIK ... re=related

If you ignore the hyperbole could The Easton Assassin have disposed of The Brockton Blockbuster as easily as he believes?

Well, I'm sure the Rock would have had a few moments, but Holmes would indeed beat him decisively.

Larry could be frank, couldn't he?

p.s. That segment was after the 1st Spinks fight, and Larry was no doubt pissed by losing a very close decision when he was going for 49-0 to match Marciano. I don't want to get things away from your subject, but do you think Ali would have lost those two Spinks decisions in the exact same situation?? I'll answer my own question.....never.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32495vIK ... re=related

If you ignore the hyperbole could The Easton Assassin have disposed of The Brockton Blockbuster as easily as he believes?

Well, I'm sure the Rock would have had a few moments, but Holmes would indeed beat him decisively.

Larry could be frank, couldn't he?

p.s. That segment was after the 1st Spinks fight, and Larry was no doubt pissed by losing a very close decision when he was going for 49-0 to match Marciano. I don't want to get things away from your subject, but do you think Ali would have lost those two Spinks decisions in the exact same situation?? I'll answer my own question.....never.

Larry got some gifts...Heck, his win over Norton to win the championship could have went either way as well as his defense against Witherspoon...He deserved the benefit of the doubt in both Spinks fights as Ali did in some of his later fights...But I re-wactched the last round of the second Spinks fight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWPBABBVlbA

If you ignore the crowd, Merchant and Leonard , it was a close fight...

[bennie]

Larry was way out of order. Sour grapes.

[HomicideHenry]

Holmes was 48-0 and had he defeated Spinks he would have matched Marciano's 49-0. But it seemed that the build-up for Spinks-Holmes was mainly about two things: that if Spinks won, it would be the first time in history that a light heavyweight champion would become heavyweight champion, and as stated earlier the whole 49-0 scenario.

Nobody seemed to care about Holmes. It was always the media asking him about Marciano, and the end result following his loss to Spinks was "Marciano couldnt carry my jock strap!"....Holmes also went on to say the judges were all "incompetant drunks", and though he seemed to be winning the rematch, he lost the decision to Spinks. It just shows that judges have long memories.

My opinion is this; had a prime Marciano fought the Holmes that fought Spinks that night, he would have defeated Holmes by a decision---the same reason that won it for Spinks would have been the same reason for a Marciano victory: volume, volume and more volume.

Side Note: Holmes later apologized to the Marciano family and they accepted his apologies toward their late brother

[My2Sense]

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LOL, what a d*ck!

I like the part where he says there will never be another white champion. Either of the Klitschkos would've probably flattened him.

[My2Sense]

Larry got some gifts...Heck, his win over Norton to win the championship could have went either way as well as his defense against Witherspoon...

Not only that, but in his fight just before Spinks, he just barely edged Truth Williams in a fight that probably could've gone either way, and which many people still thought Williams deserved.

If Holmes wanted to get to 49-0 so bad, he could've tried getting his fatass in shape, rather than look to hand-pick his way to the record.

[EriqS]

Larry was way out of order. Sour grapes.

On the whole, I agree (though he said this before, not after the fight). But boxers and diplomats are cut from different types of cloth, and other fighters have certainly said worse. Personally, I think Holmes beats Marciano eight or nine times out of ten if they could be matched in their respective primes. Holmes has thirty pounds on him, is three or more inches taller, has a longer reach--with one of the best (arguably THE best) jab in heavyweight history, and is terribly underrated in the power department. Marciano just doesn't have the tools to compete effectively. He might catch him once out of ten--but didn't Shavers do that? Look what happened there.

[Grimm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32495vIK ... re=related

If you ignore the hyperbole could The Easton Assassin have disposed of The Brockton Blockbuster as easily as he believes?

p.s. That segment was after the 1st Spinks fight, and Larry was no doubt pissed by losing a very close decision when he was going for 49-0 to match Marciano. I don't want to get things away from your subject, but do you think Ali would have lost those two Spinks decisions in the exact same situation?? I'll answer my own question.....never.

Do you think Holmes would have lost to spinks in Ali's same situation? I'll answer my own question.....never.

[T.M.K]

Hi gents,

a prime Holmes beats a prime Marciano - but the jockstrap comment was very, very silly - and simply untrue. A prime Holmes beats a prime Michael Spinks, but history is history and he had 2 attempts to do it at the age he was at the time.

"T.M.K"

[Cap]

Holmes?

Marciano would've cleaned his clock in under 10 rounds. Holmes was nothing special. His best weapon by far was his big fat thumb to the eye. Marciano would've stuck to him like glue. It would've been like trying to fend off an enraged wolverine. Rocky would've ripped his guts out before beating him down to the canvas with a whirlwind of punches.

'nuff said!

[Brutu]

Larry Holmes seven year reighn was padded out,there should be an astrerix next to his name,due to all the other heavyweight champions that co-existed during his seven year stint,just about all who were more talented fighters then the no-hoepers he ususally defended his title against,mainly on network television.

[HomicideHenry]

My biggest thing with Marciano and Holmes is this, while Holmes could have went 49-0 in Marciano's era like Rocky did, its safe to assume Marciano could have easily went the 48-0 in Larry's era as well. Who out there outside of Shavers and Cooney, could have stood a snow balls chance at beating Marciano? Scott Frank? Scott LeDoux? Tex Cobb? Alfredo Evangelista? Leon Spinks? No, No and No.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Was he great or was his 49-0 record a myth built on the backs of tired old fighters...As a kid him and Ali were my favorite fighters...Marciano from what I read in books and Ali because of what I saw with my own eyes...

How would he fare against these heavyweights on their best night and his?

Larry Holmes

Lennox Lewis

Joe Frazier

George Foreman

Muhammad Ali

Jack Dempsey

Sonny Liston

Joe Louis

Jack Johnson

Evander Holyfield

[HomicideHenry]

On Foreman, Sandy Saddler once said he felt that Marciano would have defeated George Foreman. Course this was following Foreman's win over Ron Lyle. I imagine the only chance Marciano would have had is if he came at George like it was a street fight, rather than his bobbing and weaving technique like Frazier tried to do. Otherwise Marciano would more than likely get bounced all over the place.

Dempsey-Marciano probably would be the greatest heavyweight fight of all time. Dempsey was faster, Marciano was more powerful. Dempsey, though great conditioned himself, seemed to ease up a bit as a fight went on, while Marciano just stepped up the pace. I think Marciano would have won eventually, his volume of punches would have worn Dempsey down eventually.

Frazier? Hard to say. He was a slower starter than Marciano was, so if The Rock was gonna win he'd have to do it early on. Frazier was busier in the ring and faster; I honestly think though both men were equally tough. It's a 50/50 in my mind.

I think Marciano would have had to have been at his absoloute best to have defeated Sonny Liston, to have had a chance. Otherwise, Liston would have won, was too much of a monster in the ring.

Johnson, Ali, Holmes, probably would have edged decisions over Marciano, but I dont believe any of those victories would have come easy. For Ali, it would have been like Ali-Frazier. For Holmes, it would have been like his bouts with Shavers, but more dangerous since The Rock had more ability than Earnie. Johnson I cant really make any comparisons to, as he never quite fought anyone like Marciano with the exception of Jim Jeffries, but its unfair to base Marciano on that considering Jeffries been removed six years and had to lose 110 pounds and get in shape for a 45 round bout.

[granberry]

Larry Holmes made a career out of escaping with "wins" over novice level heavyweights (Snipes, Witherspoon, Carl Williams) and then

never giving them a return fight.

Holmes put the capper on his 'career' by becoming the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight.

Holmes would have been lucky to get through 5 rounds against Marciano.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

On Foreman, Sandy Saddler once said he felt that Marciano would have defeated George Foreman. Course this was following Foreman's win over Ron Lyle. I imagine the only chance Marciano would have had is if he came at George like it was a street fight, rather than his bobbing and weaving technique like Frazier tried to do. Otherwise Marciano would more than likely get bounced all over the place.

Dempsey-Marciano probably would be the greatest heavyweight fight of all time. Dempsey was faster, Marciano was more powerful. Dempsey, though great conditioned himself, seemed to ease up a bit as a fight went on, while Marciano just stepped up the pace. I think Marciano would have won eventually, his volume of punches would have worn Dempsey down eventually.

Frazier? Hard to say. He was a slower starter than Marciano was, so if The Rock was gonna win he'd have to do it early on. Frazier was busier in the ring and faster; I honestly think though both men were equally tough. It's a 50/50 in my mind.

I think Marciano would have had to have been at his absoloute best to have defeated Sonny Liston, to have had a chance. Otherwise, Liston would have won, was too much of a monster in the ring.

Johnson, Ali, Holmes, probably would have edged decisions over Marciano, but I dont believe any of those victories would have come easy. For Ali, it would have been like Ali-Frazier. For Holmes, it would have been like his bouts with Shavers, but more dangerous since The Rock had more ability than Earnie. Johnson I cant really make any comparisons to, as he never quite fought anyone like Marciano with the exception of Jim Jeffries, but its unfair to base Marciano on that considering Jeffries been removed six years and had to lose 110 pounds and get in shape for a 45 round bout.

I'm no expert but I don't think you beat George Foreman by taking the fight to him... Every time Old George and Young George has lost is because his opponents have stayed away from him , even Tommy Gunn...

[Grimm]

Holmes put the capper on his 'career' by becoming the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight.

Maybe so....but Ali was the first heavyweight champion in history to lose his title to an inexperienced crackhead.

Marciano was floored by a 40 somethin year old lightheavyweight,this couldn't possibly have happened to Holmes,he was losing and cut badly by Ezzard Charles another lightheavy , surely this couldn't have happen to Holmes, Marciano had a rough time with an old and balding Joe Louis until he knocked him out with an elbow, sure this could not happen to LARRY HOLMES.

[granberry]

Holmes put the capper on his 'career' by becoming the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight.

Maybe so....but Ali was the first heavyweight champion in history to lose his title to an inexperienced crackhead.

Marciano was floored by a 40 somethin year old lightheavyweight,this couldn't possibly have happened to Holmes,he was losing and cut badly by Ezzard Charles another lightheavy , surely this couldn't have happen to Holmes, Marciano had a rough time with an old and balding Joe Louis until he knocked him out with an elbow, sure this could not happen to LARRY HOLMES.

You are right about Ali holding the distinction of being the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a novice who had SEVEN professional fights.

Ali, with that distinction, and Holmes with his being the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight, both made boxing history.

But not in the plus direction.

I thought Marciano knocked Louis down with a left hook while Louis was stepping back, and then knocked him out of the ring with a right hand.

What fight did you see?

LOL

Marciano's record was 49 and 0. That's a ZERO for losses.

He beat everyone he ever fought.

That rankles, doesn't it.

[Grimm]

Holmes put the capper on his 'career' by becoming the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight.

Maybe so....but Ali was the first heavyweight champion in history to lose his title to an inexperienced crackhead.

Marciano was floored by a 40 somethin year old lightheavyweight,this couldn't possibly have happened to Holmes,he was losing and cut badly by Ezzard Charles another lightheavy , surely this couldn't have happen to Holmes, Marciano had a rough time with an old and balding Joe Louis until he knocked him out with an elbow, sure this could not happen to LARRY HOLMES.

You are right about Ali holding the distinction of being the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a novice who had SEVEN professional fights.

Ali, with that distinction, and Holmes with his being the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight, both made boxing history.

But not in the plus direction.

I thought Marciano knocked Louis down with a left hook while Louis was stepping back, and then knocked him out of the ring with a right hand.

What fight did you see?

LOL

Marciano's record was 49 and 0. That's a ZERO for losses.

He beat everyone he ever fought.

That rankles, doesn't it.

Looks like an elbow to me.

By the way questions should be ended with question marks.

Now that rankles, doesn't it?

[granberry]

You are right about Ali holding the distinction of being the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a novice who had SEVEN professional fights.

Ali, with that distinction, and Holmes with his being the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight, both made boxing history.

But not in the plus direction.

I thought Marciano knocked Louis down with a left hook while Louis was stepping back, and then knocked him out of the ring with a right hand.

What fight did you see?

LOL

Marciano's record was 49 and 0. That's a ZERO for losses.

He beat everyone he ever fought.

That rankles, doesn't it.

Looks like an elbow to me.

By the way questions should be ended with question marks.

Now that rankles, doesn't it?

You shoiuld see the film of the fight.

But I doubt you ever will.

The photo posted is not the end of the fight.

The last punch of the fight was a right hand that knocked Louis through the ropes.

Marciano's 49-0 record speaks for itself.

[yancey]

Larry Holmes made a career out of escaping with "wins" over novice level heavyweights (Snipes, Witherspoon, Carl Williams) and then

never giving them a return fight.

Holmes put the capper on his 'career' by becoming the first heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to a lightheavyweight.

Holmes would have been lucky to get through 5 rounds against Marciano.

Granberry,

I respect your opinions, but you are way off on this one.

Holmes would handle Marciano easily.

[yancey]

Was he great or was his 49-0 record a myth built on the backs of tired old fighters...As a kid him and Ali were my favorite fighters...Marciano from what I read in books and Ali because of what I saw with my own eyes...

How would he fare against these heavyweights on their best night and his?

Larry Holmes

Lennox Lewis

Joe Frazier

George Foreman

Muhammad Ali

Jack Dempsey

Sonny Liston

Joe Louis

Jack Johnson

Evander Holyfield

Everyone listed above with the possible exception of Dempsey would handle Marciano.

[yancey]

On Foreman, Sandy Saddler once said he felt that Marciano would have defeated George Foreman. Course this was following Foreman's win over Ron Lyle. I imagine the only chance Marciano would have had is if he came at George like it was a street fight, rather than his bobbing and weaving technique like Frazier tried to do. Otherwise Marciano would more than likely get bounced all over the place.

Dempsey-Marciano probably would be the greatest heavyweight fight of all time. Dempsey was faster, Marciano was more powerful. Dempsey, though great conditioned himself, seemed to ease up a bit as a fight went on, while Marciano just stepped up the pace. I think Marciano would have won eventually, his volume of punches would have worn Dempsey down eventually.

Frazier? Hard to say. He was a slower starter than Marciano was, so if The Rock was gonna win he'd have to do it early on. Frazier was busier in the ring and faster; I honestly think though both men were equally tough. It's a 50/50 in my mind.

I think Marciano would have had to have been at his absoloute best to have defeated Sonny Liston, to have had a chance. Otherwise, Liston would have won, was too much of a monster in the ring.

Johnson, Ali, Holmes, probably would have edged decisions over Marciano, but I dont believe any of those victories would have come easy. For Ali, it would have been like Ali-Frazier. For Holmes, it would have been like his bouts with Shavers, but more dangerous since The Rock had more ability than Earnie. Johnson I cant really make any comparisons to, as he never quite fought anyone like Marciano with the exception of Jim Jeffries, but its unfair to base Marciano on that considering Jeffries been removed six years and had to lose 110 pounds and get in shape for a 45 round bout.

George Foreman would have kicked the crap out of Marciano.

Frazier-Marciano isn't 50-50%.

It is more like 80-20% Frazier.

[Tantum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32495vIK ... re=related

If you ignore the hyperbole could The Easton Assassin have disposed of The Brockton Blockbuster as easily as he believes?

p.s. That segment was after the 1st Spinks fight, and Larry was no doubt pissed by losing a very close decision when he was going for 49-0 to match Marciano. I don't want to get things away from your subject, but do you think Ali would have lost those two Spinks decisions in the exact same situation?? I'll answer my own question.....never.

Do you think Holmes would have lost to spinks in Ali's same situation? I'll answer my own question.....never.

Yancey was referring to the fact that if Larry Holmes was Ali, they would have gifted him the decision. Not that Ali would have done better.