Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team

[therealPunchDrunk]

You've got me all wrong. I've said it before, I don't take any side in this, because I don't have enough knowledge about what's been going on. The only things I've commented on are the things that I have read, which includes your article, which clearly shows that Yanez' trainer does not know basic training physiology as well as he should, considering he's got a world class athlete. I'm not saying Campbell is doing better because of this, since no one from that side has presented their side of things. I admit that I find it hard to believe they only do two rounds of sparring, just hang around at the gym, and eat at McDonald's all the time. It also contradicts Yanez' trainers words, when he claims Yanez comes home from camp, all sore and overworked. Which is it?

Like I said, I'm not taking sides, I just comment on the things that are put out there, that don't make any sense.

As for being pro trainer: If that were the case, I should be pro Yanez' trainer, because I've been in a very similar situation with one of my own fighters. I definitely understand some of the feelings he must be going through, but that just doesn't take away from the fact that what he's saying in your article is based on ignorance of basic training principles and physiology. I'm not saying that Yanez should therefore get kicked off the team, I'm simply stating that that part of their criticism is based on a lack of knowledge on their part.

[a87star]

"REED" is just another journalist who is full of themselves. It's not even worth discussing because he's just looking for a pat on the back in "exposing" Dan Campbell. It's all about the money and I seriously doubt he cares about the boxers and how they feel.

[boxmel]

However, "REED" is as entitled to his opinion as any other poster on this forum and he's frothed at the mouth less than some others who have jumped in on this thread. Since Yanez has been reinstated, why don't we just close the book on this one and not turn it into a flame war or poster-bashing discussion.

[REED]

You've got me all wrong. I've said it before, I don't take any side in this, because I don't have enough knowledge about what's been going on. The only things I've commented on are the things that I have read, which includes your article, which clearly shows that Yanez' trainer does not know basic training physiology as well as he should, considering he's got a world class athlete. I'm not saying Campbell is doing better because of this, since no one from that side has presented their side of things. I admit that I find it hard to believe they only do two rounds of sparring, just hang around at the gym, and eat at McDonald's all the time. It also contradicts Yanez' trainers words, when he claims Yanez comes home from camp, all sore and overworked. Which is it?

Like I said, I'm not taking sides, I just comment on the things that are put out there, that don't make any sense.

As for being pro trainer: If that were the case, I should be pro Yanez' trainer, because I've been in a very similar situation with one of my own fighters. I definitely understand some of the feelings he must be going through, but that just doesn't take away from the fact that what he's saying in your article is based on ignorance of basic training principles and physiology. I'm not saying that Yanez should therefore get kicked off the team, I'm simply stating that that part of their criticism is based on a lack of knowledge on their part.

Well, Yanez's Trainer GOT Him to this Point...In his Very 1st Year of "Open" Competition, Yanez DOMINATED...

The Last Time Luis Stayed in Dallas for an Extended Period of Time, he Won GOLD @ the Pan Am's...

Sorry, the RESULTS of his Trainers Methods speaks LOUDER than your Physiology & Principles Talk...

Yanez's Trainer DIDN'T "Contradict" Himself in the Article...AFTER Luis came Back Home & AFTER he Worked Out, he Got SORE & FATIGUED Quickly...Meaning, he Got Accustomed to a LESS Strenuous Workout in Colorado Springs, so when he Came Home, his Customary Work-Out Kicked his Ass...

[REED]

"REED" is just another journalist who is full of themselves. It's not even worth discussing because he's just looking for a pat on the back in "exposing" Dan Campbell. It's all about the money and I seriously doubt he cares about the boxers and how they feel.

WOW!!!...

You Couldn't B More WRONG if you Tried...Instead of Jumping to Conclusions about Me, it'd have been Much Easier for U to ASK...

[therealPunchDrunk]

You've got me all wrong. I've said it before, I don't take any side in this, because I don't have enough knowledge about what's been going on. The only things I've commented on are the things that I have read, which includes your article, which clearly shows that Yanez' trainer does not know basic training physiology as well as he should, considering he's got a world class athlete. I'm not saying Campbell is doing better because of this, since no one from that side has presented their side of things. I admit that I find it hard to believe they only do two rounds of sparring, just hang around at the gym, and eat at McDonald's all the time. It also contradicts Yanez' trainers words, when he claims Yanez comes home from camp, all sore and overworked. Which is it?

Like I said, I'm not taking sides, I just comment on the things that are put out there, that don't make any sense.

As for being pro trainer: If that were the case, I should be pro Yanez' trainer, because I've been in a very similar situation with one of my own fighters. I definitely understand some of the feelings he must be going through, but that just doesn't take away from the fact that what he's saying in your article is based on ignorance of basic training principles and physiology. I'm not saying that Yanez should therefore get kicked off the team, I'm simply stating that that part of their criticism is based on a lack of knowledge on their part.

Well, Yanez's Trainer GOT Him to this Point...In his Very 1st Year of "Open" Competition, Yanez DOMINATED...

The Last Time Luis Stayed in Dallas for an Extended Period of Time, he Won GOLD @ the Pan Am's...

Sorry, the RESULTS of his Trainers Methods speaks LOUDER than your Physiology & Principles Talk...

Yanez's Trainer DIDN'T "Contradict" Himself in the Article...AFTER Luis came Back Home & AFTER he Worked Out, he Got SORE & FATIGUED Quickly...Meaning, he Got Accustomed to a LESS Strenuous Workout in Colorado Springs, so when he Came Home, his Customary Work-Out Kicked his Ass...

Faulty logic... A stone doesn't fly, mother doesn't fly, therefore mother is a stone... I guess we can agree to disagree, but you clearly have a lot to learn about training methods and the basics of coming to legitimate conclusions.

Anyway, good luck to Luis in China!

[REED]

You've got me all wrong. I've said it before, I don't take any side in this, because I don't have enough knowledge about what's been going on. The only things I've commented on are the things that I have read, which includes your article, which clearly shows that Yanez' trainer does not know basic training physiology as well as he should, considering he's got a world class athlete. I'm not saying Campbell is doing better because of this, since no one from that side has presented their side of things. I admit that I find it hard to believe they only do two rounds of sparring, just hang around at the gym, and eat at McDonald's all the time. It also contradicts Yanez' trainers words, when he claims Yanez comes home from camp, all sore and overworked. Which is it?

Like I said, I'm not taking sides, I just comment on the things that are put out there, that don't make any sense.

As for being pro trainer: If that were the case, I should be pro Yanez' trainer, because I've been in a very similar situation with one of my own fighters. I definitely understand some of the feelings he must be going through, but that just doesn't take away from the fact that what he's saying in your article is based on ignorance of basic training principles and physiology. I'm not saying that Yanez should therefore get kicked off the team, I'm simply stating that that part of their criticism is based on a lack of knowledge on their part.

Well, Yanez's Trainer GOT Him to this Point...In his Very 1st Year of "Open" Competition, Yanez DOMINATED...

The Last Time Luis Stayed in Dallas for an Extended Period of Time, he Won GOLD @ the Pan Am's...

Sorry, the RESULTS of his Trainers Methods speaks LOUDER than your Physiology & Principles Talk...

Yanez's Trainer DIDN'T "Contradict" Himself in the Article...AFTER Luis came Back Home & AFTER he Worked Out, he Got SORE & FATIGUED Quickly...Meaning, he Got Accustomed to a LESS Strenuous Workout in Colorado Springs, so when he Came Home, his Customary Work-Out Kicked his Ass...

Faulty logic... A stone doesn't fly, mother doesn't fly, therefore mother is a stone... I guess we can agree to disagree, but you clearly have a lot to learn about training methods and the basics of coming to legitimate conclusions.
Anyway, good luck to Luis in China!

Says Who???...

For those Keeping Track, Doing Things HIS TRAINER's Way, Yanez is UNDEFEATED in the Last 3-5 Years in the U.S...He's Ranked # 3 in the ENTIRE WORLD...

The Last Time he REMAINED @ Home (w/his Trainer) for an Extended Period of Time, Yanez Won GOLD @ the Pan Am's...

So SPARE Me your Condescending Ways & UPPITY Attitude...Yanez's RESULTS Speak LOUDER than U Do...

OBVIOUSLY, his Trainer Knows what he's Doing...How Many U.S. Olympians do YOU Have???...

[locoxelbox]

REED, you're getting tiresome...You're obviously biased in this subject. Luis Yanez is hardly "No 3 in the world", in fact he'd be lucky to be in the top 10 at the moment. Yes, he won the Panams beating the weakest cuban who almost missed qualifying to the Games. Then he beat a dominican and a venezuelan who then was replaced by another boxer for the Olympics.
At the Worlds Yanez got the best draw (im)possible: a first round bye, then beating an australian only to lose clearly to Worlds No 2 Harry Tanamor (PHI) being already qualified. Since then he's been clearly beaten by World champ Zou Shiming (RET 3) and even lost to a mexican who didn't qualify (Odilon Zaleta). At the President's Cup he lost 14-1 to the thai who'd been beaten by Raushee Warren (Somjit Jongjohor). All these are of course good fighters but c'mon Yanez hasn't proven himself to be a more serious medal candidate than half of the US team.
I don't know much about coach Campbell's training methods, in fact I strongly question their decision to come to prepare in Argentina before the Games (though it was great having them here). I would've chosen another place with stonger boxers and styles more similar to what they will meet in Beijing (some european/asian country). What I DO know is what I spoke with Warren and Estrada, them saying it's not the same being at home training alone in the morning workouts than doing it with the team. Also the sparring issue is of course much better than you get at home. That alone along with fewer distractions makes it worth staying in camp as does ALL the major teams in the world including top western nations France, Great Britain and Italy.

[REED]

REED, you're getting tiresome...You're obviously biased in this subject. Luis Yanez is hardly "No 3 in the world", in fact he'd be lucky to be in the top 10 at the moment. Yes, he won the Panams beating the weakest cuban who almost missed qualifying to the Games. Then he beat a dominican and a venezuelan who then was replaced by another boxer for the Olympics.
At the Worlds Yanez got the best draw (im)possible: a first round bye, then beating an australian only to lose clearly to Worlds No 2 Harry Tanamor (PHI) being already qualified. Since then he's been clearly beaten by World champ Zou Shiming (RET 3) and even lost to a mexican who didn't qualify (Odilon Zaleta). At the President's Cup he lost 14-1 to the thai who'd been beaten by Raushee Warren (Somjit Jongjohor). All these are of course good fighters but c'mon Yanez hasn't proven himself to be a more serious medal candidate than half of the US team.
I don't know much about coach Campbell's training methods, in fact I strongly question their decision to come to prepare in Argentina before the Games (though it was great having them here). I would've chosen another place with stonger boxers and styles more similar to what they will meet in Beijing (some european/asian country). What I DO know is what I spoke with Warren and Estrada, them saying it's not the same being at home training alone in the morning workouts than doing it with the team. Also the sparring issue is of course much better than you get at home. That alone along with fewer distractions makes it worth staying in camp as does ALL the major teams in the world including top western nations France, Great Britain and Italy.

Well, if I'm Getting "Tiresome", WHY Respond???...

As of Yet, I HAVEN'T Stated Anything that Wasn't Based on Fact...

Only a Fool or a HATER would even Attempt to Diminish Winning GOLD @ the Pan Am's...No Matter HOW U Spin it, that's a GREAT Accomplishment...

The Shiming Fight was 1 of the Issues that Caused Friction btwn Dan & Luis...Dan STOPPED the Fight Himself & even his Own Cornermen Wondered Why...I Won't Say Luis was Going to Win that Fight or Not, but I WILL Say he WASN'T on the Verge of Being Stopped or Dropped...So WHY Would Dan STOP the Fight???..."RET 3" Doesn't Tell the Story...It Makes it LOOK like Luis Got Beat Up or Something, but that's B.S...

If U Need a Copy of the Fight, I Can Probably Arrange that for U...

As for the Loss to the Mexican Fighter, Do Some Research on Just How Many U.S. Olympians LOST @ the same Tourney...If I'm Not Mistaken, 10 or 11 U.S. Fighters Participated & 8 or 9 LOST...

This Entire Thread has been Mostly NEGATIVE Against Yanez...Then when Somebody Shows Up Speaking Positive about him, it's "Bias"???...

[JMac]

REED wrote:

The Shiming Fight was 1 of the Issues that Caused Friction btwn Dan & Luis...Dan STOPPED the Fight Himself & even his Own Cornermen Wondered Why...I Won't Say Luis was Going to Win that Fight or Not, but I WILL Say he WASN'T on the Verge of Being Stopped or Dropped...So WHY Would Dan STOP the Fight???..."

I was there and Dan made the right call. It was a really ugly bout with a lot of wrestling and holding. They were boxing at 51 kgs not 48 kgs. It was in Shiming's hometown with mostly Chinese judges. Yanez was not going to win unles he KO'd Shiming which was not going to happen that night. Shiming was getting a point for every punch he threw and Yanez was not. It was freezing cold in the arena and Dan made the right call to retire Luis before he possibly got hurt in a match that was stacked against him.
Yanez had lost to the Cuban in the Pan Am trials and he came back to beat the same Cuban in the quartefinals of the Pan Am Games and go on to win the gold. I think Dan was thinking the same thing that night.

[boxmel]

Ummm - continual and never-ending pro-and-con-Luis-training-bashing (it's really past the discussion stage) certainly doesn't add anything of note so maybe we can just call it a day and move on?

Thanks for the info, JMac. 8)

[therealPunchDrunk]

[quote="REED] Says Who???...

For those Keeping Track, Doing Things HIS TRAINER's Way, Yanez is UNDEFEATED in the Last 3-5 Years in the U.S...He's Ranked # 3 in the ENTIRE WORLD...

The Last Time he REMAINED @ Home (w/his Trainer) for an Extended Period of Time, Yanez Won GOLD @ the Pan Am's...

So SPARE Me your Condescending Ways & UPPITY Attitude...Yanez's RESULTS Speak LOUDER than U Do...

OBVIOUSLY, his Trainer Knows what he's Doing...How Many U.S. Olympians do YOU Have???...[/quote]
Look up the term 'anecdotal evidence,' that should give you a clue as to why the stuff you're saying is actually quite revealing.

Quite hard for me to have a US Olympian when I don't live in the US, I think you'll agree? I do have a welterweight candidate, who didn't make it through the European qualifiers.

[REED]

Well, Well, Well...

Some of ya'll Labeled me a "Buddy" of Yanez...Others Questioned my Writing...

But Now the New York Daily News is Discovering THE SAME Stuff...& To this Day, NONE of ya'll are willing to Address Dan Campbell's CULPABILITY...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_ ... tml?page=0

[debc]

You know Reed, I am getting real tired of you. You take great pleasure in pushing our noses into anything negative having to do with Dan Campbell. Why not write about some of the positives that the really hardworking serious boxers have to say. Anyone of them that are seriously working hard towards bringing home the Gold are not complaining. They are mature enough to do what has to be done. I remember Andre Ward the only boxer in 2004 to win a Gold, he left his wife and child for nine months in order to focus on what he needed to do. If more of our present Olympians had this attitude they would not have time to be complaining. By the way I do know you are only hearing one side of this, as my Son has been there for the last seven months and has not had any problems or complains about the training or Dan Campbell. He is not an Olympian and has nothing to gain by being there, yet you don't hear him or the other training partners complaining!

[REED]

You know Reed, I am getting real tired of you. You take great pleasure in pushing our noses into anything negative having to do with Dan Campbell. Why not write about some of the positives that the really hardworking serious boxers have to say. Anyone of them that are seriously working hard towards bringing home the Gold are not complaining. They are mature enough to do what has to be done. I remember Andre Ward the only boxer in 2004 to win a Gold, he left his wife and child for nine months in order to focus on what he needed to do. If more of our present Olympians had this attitude they would not have time to be complaining. By the way I do know you are only hearing one side of this, as my Son has been there for the last seven months and has not had any problems or complains about the training or Dan Campbell. He is not an Olympian and has nothing to gain by being there, yet you don't hear him or the other training partners complaining!

No Disrespect to your Son, but since he's NOT an Olympian, WHY WOULD he Complain???...

The Olympians are Under TREMENDOUS Pressure as it Is...Like Javier Molina Told ME, "this Could CHANGE my Life & I DON'T Want to Have ANY Regrets"...But Javy made it CLEAR that he DIDN'T Trust Dan Campbell...MOST of the Other Olympians Feel Likewise...This is their Chance to FOREVER Alter their Lives, yet they're having to "Trust" a Guy who Hasn't EARNED it...

As far as U Getting Real Tired me, ASK me if I Care, Dude...Apparently MOST of ya'll just CAN'T Handle the Truth...Even when it's Coming @ you from VARIOUS Fighters, VARIOUS Coaches & VARIOUS Media Sources...

I Certainly DON'T Know the New York Daily News Writer, yet he's Reporting THE SAME Info...Do ya'll REALLY think that's a Coincidence???...

Until we DISSECT the LEADERSHIP & the HIRING Practices @ USABoxing, we're Bound to REPEAT This same Mistake 4 Years from Now...

If I'm Not Mistaken, Andre Ward WASN'T Subject to the Residency Program, so when he Wanted or Needed to Go Back Home, he WASN'T Threatened w/Dismissal from the Team or a CUT in his Monthly Stipend...

Sorry, but I've PERSONALLY Heard Much More than 1 Side of this Story...Several Coaches, Several Fighters, a Few Officials & 1 or 2 People who've KNOWN Dan Campbell for OVER 20 Years...

Almost Word for Word, they've Told me THE SAME Things about Dan Campbell...

[debc]

Not an Olympian, all the more reason not to be there. Your given up eight months of your life to USA Boxing to the good of the sport and the spirit!! If it is so bad why would you? You don't think my Son had other things he could have been doing, not being a Olympian has nothing to do with getting in trouble and going against USAB. Besides, Reed enough is enough let it be and get on with other things, I am!

[therealPunchDrunk]

Be a real journalist and get an interview with Dan Campbell. He might suck at his job, but that's no excuse for you sucking at yours. Stop the slander, get an inteview like a capable, honest journalist would. End of thread.