Elmer,elmersalsa wrote:Buster Douglas in Tokyo was excellent, one of the best performances in boxing history that I have ever seen. We cannot nothing away from him beating the great Mike Tyson.Knucklez wrote:Riddick Bowe gets way too much respect on here. His best over performance was basically a shoot out against a guy he outweighed by 30 pounds. If Holyfield had true heavyweight power, it's quite possibly that he would stopped Bowe, as he nearly did at the end of the tenth.elmersalsa wrote:LEWIS GOT KNOCKED OUT BY TWO BUMS in his prime. Now, he would have beaten Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield and Buster Douglas at their very best?
I cannot see a guy that have one of the weakest chins in boxing history beat skilled and hard hitting fighters like Bowe, Tyson or Holyfield. Buster Douglas in Tokyo that night would have beaten any great heavyweight fighter in history. The problem with Buster was that he was A LAZY FIGHTER WITH GREAT TALENT. HE DID NOT LIKE TO TRAIN. He had all the physical attributes of a great heavyweight: Tall, great jab, great mobility, speed, decent stamina if trained hard, better chin than given credit for, and could outhink his opponent, plus can hit hard.
But if you put Douglas in Tokyo against any version of Lennox Lewis and Buster wins...Probably by KO, too.
The Tyson that demolished the great Michael Spinks and Trevor Berbick would have eaten Lennox for dinner.
The Riddick Bowe that fought magnificently against Holyfield the first time, was exceptional. I cannot see Lennox in his best day beating Bowe that night.
And Holyfield in his prime? Once Holy is all over him, forget it...Lennox cannot take those shots.
Lennox Lewis was a great heavyweight by his accomplishments, but if I judge him by his talent, he was ORDINARY LIKE ANY ONE ELSE. He was nothing to be HIGH about.
Bowe was outboxed and beaten up twice by C-level fighter Andrew Golota, who Lewis knocked out in a round. Bowe came within a whisker of being knocked out by a version of Evander Holyfield who was suffering from hepatitis B and had no energy or strength, yet you argue that Lennox has no chin.
Buster Dougles put in a sublime performance against an overweight Tyson but did little else in his career to demonstrate that he could beat Lewis.
And the fact that Lennox did not stop Holyfield in the first fight when he had him in trouble is a sign of his cautious tactics, not of his lack of talent.
Lennox Lewis has no chin...Can't you see that? He got KO'd by two bums.
Riddick Bowe was a terrific heavyweight. He was just another lazy guy like Buster Douglas, Hector "Macho" Camacho or Wilfred Benitez that did not like to train. That night with Holyfield, THE FIRST FIGHT, he showed that he had lots of skill. He could fight well in the inside for a big man, could box, can punch and could also take a punch. He took the best shots that Holy threw, and had the performance of his lifetime...Lennox could not take those shots...no way.
Lewis lost to two fighters he should not have, there is no question about that at all. However using the two knockout shots as evidence of his poor chin is misguided. Both the McCall and the Rahman right hands were thrown at full force and landed squarely on Lewis' chin. i.e. both were knock out shots.
While there's no doubt that they were shots that Lewis should not have be open to in the first place, to label Lewis as chinny because of those two shots is a lazy description.
You also use the first Bowe-Holyfield fight as a testament to Bowe's chin, yet most people know that Holyfield was not a big puncher at heavyweight in the slightest. Even the commentators during the fight spoke about it at length, on US and UK TV stations. I'll repeat the point I made earlier: Bowe was knocked down and nearly out by the light-punching, unwell, drained and over the hill Holyfield in their 3rd fight. Please explain how this proves Bowe's chin to be superior to Lewis'. Lewis took full force shots from Tua, VK and Mercer better than Bowe did from Holyfield and Golota.
I'm also not clear how you can place Bowe higher than Lewis, when Bowe's "peak" was about 4 fights long while Lewis was the dominant heavy over a much longer period.
