Jimmy Young vs Smokin' Joe Frazier, in their primes.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Jimmy Young couldn't even beat Ali during his "Elvis" phase, when he was fat and past his prime...
Imagine if Ali caught Young on a night like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ErpPwJ_AM

[granberry]

Why is collins' incarnation The/One so desperate to shill for Ali?

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Why is collins' incarnation The/One so desperate to shill for Ali?

granny, if I'm collins you're George W. Bush.

[ebeneezer]

Harold Johnson said, "Jimmy Young beat Clay."

But what does he know about boxing.

LOL

Harold Johnson said " Watch this fight closely Terap.....this southpaw is about to punch himself in the face any second now. What are you doing?! No I don't want a back rub! Why are you so obsessed with my back?"

[TheOneIsHere2008]

granny is the demise of another thread


:(

[Collins2000]

Harold Johnson said, "Jimmy Young beat Clay."

But what does he know about boxing.

LOL

Harold still referred to Ali as "Clay" at that time?

That says more about Harold than it does about Ali or Young.

[Collins2000]

Lester Bromberg called the decision in the Young-Ali fight "A travesty of a decision."

Bromberg scored the fight 11 rounds for Young, and 4 for Ali.

But what does Lester Bromberg know about boxing.

LOL

Lester Bromberg never forgave Ali for making him look bad after Lester picked Liston to KO Ali inside a round in the first fight.

Let's have some neutral quotes you old fraud.

LOL

[TheOneIsHere2008]

granny kills another thread...

:(

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Lester Bromberg called the decision in the Young-Ali fight "A travesty of a decision."

Bromberg scored the fight 11 rounds for Young, and 4 for Ali.

But what does Lester Bromberg know about boxing.

LOL

Lester Bromberg never forgave Ali for making him look bad after Lester picked Liston to KO Ali inside a round in the first fight.

Let's have some neutral quotes you old fraud.

LOL

Lester Bromberg's forecast in the New York World-Telegram was typical. Bromberg predicted, "It will last almost the entire first round."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_A ... nny_Liston

[granberry]

So Lester Bromberg was not in on the fix?

Of course Thomas Hauser indoctrinated members of the Religion of Ali like collins and his various aliases will never know that was a fix.

What agony the Ali shills live in.

LOL

[Nile4000]

Joe stops Jimmy late, after being frustrated in the early rounds by Jimmy's elusiveness.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

Lester Bromberg called the decision in the Young-Ali fight "A travesty of a decision."

Bromberg scored the fight 11 rounds for Young, and 4 for Ali.

But what does Lester Bromberg know about boxing.

LOL

Lester Bromberg never forgave Ali for making him look bad after Lester picked Liston to KO Ali inside a round in the first fight.

Let's have some neutral quotes you old fraud.

LOL

He couldn't help it...The old fart was part of a twenty three man pool , only three of whom picked Clay(Ali) ...

Sombebody said it was a fix...If it was a fix why did Liston use the old "linament in the eyes" trick that he used against Eddie Machen and Zora Folley?

Clay (Ali) was too young,too fast, and too hard to hit for the old Sonny Liston...

[granberry]

It's tough be an Ali shill.

You have to try to explain how your hero is the "greatest of all time" while he "won" his "title" on highly suspicious fights with Liston.

At the time the fights were regarded as obvious fakes.

Now the Religion of Ali media machine has gotten in motion,

and their "handling" of the Liston-Ali fakes is to scream loudly that they were "legitimate."

And on another front the tireless Ali panderers have now shrunk the "rest" Ali got after the 4th round of his first Cooper fight to a few seconds.

Give them a little more time and they will be claiming that Cooper never knocked Ali down.

The strange sell of the mediocre Ali is probably the most high powered and continuous media sell of anyone in history.

The constantly regurgitated talking points from the media sell of Ali are SO tired, and SO recognizable.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

It's tough be an Ali shill.

You have to try to explain how your hero is the "greatest of all time" while he "won" his "title" on highly suspicious fights with Liston.

At the time the fights were regarded as obvious fakes.

Now the Religion of Ali media machine has gotten in motion,

and their "handling" of the Liston-Ali fakes is to scream loudly that they were "legitimate."

And on another front the tireless Ali panderers have now shrunk the "rest" Ali got after the 4th round of his first Cooper fight to a few seconds.

Give them a little more time and they will be claiming that Cooper never knocked Ali down.

The strange sell of the mediocre Ali is probably the most high powered and continuous media sell of anyone in history.

The constantly regurgitated talking points from the media sell of Ali are SO tired, and SO recognizable.

Muhammad Ali owned Sonny Liston and all your sad little, osbcurantist tactics won't change those simple facts...They could have fought one hundred times and Ali would have hit him in the noggin one hundred times without being caught much more than once ...

Muhammad Ali proved those fights were for real when he beat a stronger, younger, and more durable version of him in the name of George Foreman when he was past his prime and George Foreman was in it...

Granberry ,"You are so full of your own falsehoods and delusions. If you could be half the man Muhammad Ali was in the ring you might like yourself."

-ringsider (changed Sugar Ray Leonard to Muhammad Ali)

LOL

P.S. Big deal...Cooper knocked him down...Ali turned his face into a crimson mask both times they met...

Now, Granny, I must run...I am going to the used bookstore in my area and buying "Blood In My Coffee" by Dr. Ferdie Pacheco and then going to the gym to work out...When I return I shall read the aberrant nonsense you wrote in my absence.

Remember, I am expecting more of your aberrant nonsense so please don't disappoint me...

[Chuck1052]

Of all of the top heavyweights of the 1970s, Joe Frazier would be the worst possible opponent for Jimmy Young. Yes, Young had quite a bit of success vs. other sluggers such as George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle, but Frazier had much, much more stamina than the mentioned fighters in addition to his relentless aggressiveness in the ring. As a result, I feel that Frazier would destroyed Young even though the latter had quite a bit of ring savvy.

- Chuck Johnston

[granberry]

Of all of the top heavyweights of the 1970s, Joe Frazier would be the worst possible opponent for Jimmy Young. Yes, Young had quite a bit of success vs. other sluggers such as George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle, but Frazier had much, much more stamina than the mentioned fighters in addition to his relentless aggressiveness in the ring. As a result, I feel that Frazier would destroyed Young even though the latter had quite a bit of ring savvy.

- Chuck Johnston

You can't beat what you can't hit.

Frazier was a one-armed fighter who had only a left hook. Young would be looking for the left hook.

Young was much taller and longer armed than Frazier.

Young was the best body puncher and infighter of his time. He beat up and wore down Foreman, Ali and Lyle (twice) inside.

Young (when he was in shape) had no problem with stamina--his opponents did. He wore down and beat Foreman, Lyle twice, and Ali.

Frazier would have a chance to win.

Young would have an excellent chance to win.

Read earlier here: they sparred a lot with each other as young fighters.

During the good part of his career when he was in shape (fights with Lyle, Ali, Lyle, Foreman) Young worked out at Frazier's Broad Street gym. I can't say I ever saw the two of them around each other during those years. Maybe Frazier stayed back in the office when Young worked out.

I remember Young commenting negatively on Frazier's performance in the third Frazier-Ali fight. I took it from his tone that he didn't care that much for Frazier.

[yancey]

Of all of the top heavyweights of the 1970s, Joe Frazier would be the worst possible opponent for Jimmy Young. Yes, Young had quite a bit of success vs. other sluggers such as George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle, but Frazier had much, much more stamina than the mentioned fighters in addition to his relentless aggressiveness in the ring. As a result, I feel that Frazier would destroyed Young even though the latter had quite a bit of ring savvy.

- Chuck Johnston

Agreed, I just can't see Young being able to hold off Frazier.

I think the ending would have come in brutal fashion, something similar to the Ellis fight, but maybe 2 or 3 rounds longer.

[TheOneIsHere2008]

I can not believe the disrespect shown to Joe Frazier in this thread...He owned Jimmy Ellis who was a world champion and every bit the fighter Jimmy Young was...

[granberry]

Jimmy Ellis was a 160 pounder for a number of years.

He wasn't rugged enough to stay in there with real heavyweights.

One punch from Shavers.

Couldn't stay in there with Frazier.

Hurt continually by an old Patterson.

[granberry]

Of all of the top heavyweights of the 1970s, Joe Frazier would be the worst possible opponent for Jimmy Young. Yes, Young had quite a bit of success vs. other sluggers such as George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle, but Frazier had much, much more stamina than the mentioned fighters in addition to his relentless aggressiveness in the ring. As a result, I feel that Frazier would destroyed Young even though the latter had quite a bit of ring savvy.

- Chuck Johnston

Young beat Foreman.

Frazier didn't.

[Chuck1052]

granberry, it is a matter of matchups. George Foreman destroyed Joe Frazier twice and Ken Norton once, two fighters who gave Muhammad Ali fits. Yet Ali beat Foreman.
It may be that Frazier relied too much on his left hook, but I believe that his tremendous workrate, stamina and relentless aggressiveness would present a much tougher proposition for Jimmy Young than Foreman, who had problems with stamina.

- Chuck Johnston

[elmersalsa]

I would have love to see the Joe Frazier, circa 1968-71, against George Foreman, circa 1972-74. I think the fight would have been a DIFFERENT STORY.

After the Fight of the Century, Frazier did not looked good in his next 2 title defenses. The fire and relentlessness was not there. Well, at least, I did not see that. Maybe he was NOT HUNGRY ANY MORE.

[p4p1]

I would have love to see the Joe Frazier, circa 1968-71, against George Foreman, circa 1972-74. I think the fight would have been a DIFFERENT STORY.

After the Fight of the Century, Frazier did not looked good in his next 2 title defenses. The fire and relentlessness was not there. Well, at least, I did not see that. Maybe he was NOT HUNGRY ANY MORE.

i still dont think he could of beaten foreman... it just got you ko'd when u came at him

[yancey]

I would have love to see the Joe Frazier, circa 1968-71, against George Foreman, circa 1972-74. I think the fight would have been a DIFFERENT STORY.

After the Fight of the Century, Frazier did not looked good in his next 2 title defenses. The fire and relentlessness was not there. Well, at least, I did not see that. Maybe he was NOT HUNGRY ANY MORE.

I largely agree with you.

Though the style matchup was not good for Joe, a sharp, bobbing, weaving, 203-205 pound Frazier of 68-71 would stand a much better chance against Foreman than a lot of people think. I would put Frazier of Quarry I and the Ellis fight up against anyone.

Of course, there would have to be a referee who could control the Foreman push-offs.

[I Feel Fine]

In their primes, Frazier.

If Frazier is 34 and 15 pounds overweight, coming off the Ali trilogy, Young wins. Or gets a controversial draw, like Cummings. Frazier got gifts too