boxrec heavyweight all time ratings list

[p4p1]

i have been looking through it and i find it very interesting is it done purely on a points system and how does that work?

heres the list anyways


name W - L - D career stance
1 Muhammad Ali 56 (37) - 5 (1) - 0
1960-1981 orthodox
2 Joe Louis 69 (55) - 3 (2) - 0
1934-1951 orthodox
3 Jack Johnson 89 (49) - 14 (7) - 12
1894-1938 orthodox
4 Floyd Patterson 55 (40) - 8 (5) - 1
1952-1972 orthodox
5 Larry Holmes 69 (44) - 6 (1) - 0
1973-2002 orthodox
6 Harry Wills 81 (51) - 10 (5) - 4
1911-1932 orthodox
7 Sam Langford 202 (130) - 47 (9) - 45
1902-1926 orthodox
8 Ezzard Charles 90 (51) - 25 (7) - 1
1940-1959 orthodox
9 Rocky Marciano 49 (43) - 0 (0) - 0
1947-1955 orthodox
10 Joe Frazier 32 (27) - 4 (3) - 1
1965-1981 orthodox
11 Sonny Liston 50 (39) - 4 (3) - 0
1953-1970 orthodox
12 Lennox Lewis 41 (32) - 2 (2) - 1
1989-2003 orthodox
13 Mike Tyson 50 (44) - 6 (5) - 0
1985-2005 orthodox
14 Max Schmeling 56 (40) - 10 (5) - 4
1924-1948 orthodox
15 Jimmy Bivins 86 (31) - 25 (5) - 1
1940-1955 orthodox
16 George Foreman 76 (68) - 5 (1) - 0
1969-1997 orthodox
17 Jack Sharkey 38 (13) - 14 (4) - 3
1924-1936 orthodox
18 Sam McVea 65 (47) - 16 (5) - 10
1902-1921 orthodox
19 James J Jeffries 18 (15) - 1 (1) - 2
1896-1910 orthodox
20 Riddick Bowe 42 (33) - 1 (0) - 0
1989-2005 orthodox
21 Joe Jeannette 112 (68) - 22 (2) - 14
1904-1922 orthodox
22 Max Baer 68 (52) - 13 (3) - 0
1929-1941 orthodox
23 Jack Dempsey 66 (51) - 6 (1) - 11
1914-1927 orthodox
24 Ingemar Johansson 26 (17) - 2 (2) - 0
1952-1963 orthodox
25 Ken Norton 42 (33) - 7 (4) - 1
1967-1981 orthodox
26 Jersey Joe Walcott 51 (32) - 18 (6) - 2
1930-1953 orthodox
27 Mike Weaver 41 (28) - 18 (12) - 1
1972-2000 orthodox
28 Eddie Machen 50 (29) - 11 (3) - 3
1955-1967 orthodox
29 Georges Carpentier 88 (57) - 15 (9) - 6
1908-1926 orthodox
30 Henry Cooper 40 (27) - 14 (8) - 1
1954-1971 orthodox
31 Zora Folley 79 (44) - 11 (7) - 6
1953-1970 orthodox
32 Peter Maher 61 (42) - 27 (18) - 6
1888-1910 orthodox
33 Primo Carnera 89 (72) - 14 (5) - 0
1928-1946 orthodox
34 Al Kaufman 25 (16) - 8 (5) - 1
1905-1915 orthodox
35 Jim Braddock 51 (26) - 26 (2) - 7
1926-1938 orthodox
36 Michael Dokes 53 (33) - 6 (5) - 2
1976-1997 orthodox
37 Gus Ruhlin 26 (17) - 9 (5) - 5
1895-1910 orthodox
38 Tommy Burns 43 (34) - 5 (1) - 9
1902-1920 orthodox
39 Jimmy Ellis 40 (24) - 12 (4) - 1
1961-1975 orthodox
40 Jerry Quarry 53 (32) - 9 (6) - 4
1965-1992 orthodox


i found it very interesting how low down dempsey & foreman are and how high floyd patterson, harry wills and sam langford are

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[TheOneIsHere2008]

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Not a bad list...One needs to know the criterion....

But Foreman would destroy Schmeling...

[Poncey]

They used to have the formula on wikipedia but it's not there anymore. Well, I couldn't find it.

[Crease]

Thanks for putting this up P4P1, it gave me the diea of fidning the top 30 on the other thread
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I think EVERYONE who has ever taken an interest in Heavyweight Boxing would have these in the top 30:

Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson,
Rocky Marciano, Joe Frazier, Jack Dempsey
George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis,
Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Max Schmeling
JJ Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, (the last 2 would DEFO be in, that's if you don't count them Light Heavyweights)

Then, I myself would put in:
Jimmy Bivins, Jimmy Ellis, Jerry Quarry, Primo Carnera, Henry Cooper, Zora Folley


But I am very hesitant to put in the likes of boxers from 1800s or the 20th centruy (espcailly beofre the 30s)

Becuase I think that they aren't really worth mentioning until you get to the Jack Johnson era... PLUS, I find it hard to place boxers that I have enver seen box before in my life.

So the likes of:

6 Harry Wills 81 (51) - 10 (5) - 4
7 Sam Langford 202 (130) - 47 (9) - 45
17 Jack Sharkey 38 (13) - 14 (4) - 3
18 Sam McVea 65 (47) - 16 (5) - 10
19 James J Jeffries 18 (15) - 1 (1) - 2
21 Joe Jeannette 112 (68) - 22 (2) - 14
28 Eddie Machen 50 (29) - 11 (3) - 3
1955-1967 orthodox
29 Georges Carpentier 88 (57) - 15 (9) - 6
1908-1926 orthodox
32 Peter Maher 61 (42) - 27 (18) - 6
1888-1910 orthodox
34 Al Kaufman 25 (16) - 8 (5) - 1
1905-1915 orthodox
35 Jim Braddock 51 (26) - 26 (2) - 7
1926-1938 orthodox
36 Michael Dokes 53 (33) - 6 (5) - 2
1976-1997 orthodox
37 Gus Ruhlin 26 (17) - 9 (5) - 5
1895-1910 orthodox
38 Tommy Burns 43 (34) - 5 (1) - 9
1902-1920 orthodox

Mike Weaver should not be in the top 30 either... (In my opinion)

[Ambling Alp]

They used to have the formula on wikipedia but it's not there anymore. Well, I couldn't find it.

I can't find it anymore either. I remember that it was fairly complicated, but seemed to make a lot of sense. I do recall that it only 15 fights of each fighters career. (I'm not sure how it's decided which 15 are counted.)

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