2008 Olympic Games Beijing 8.8.08-8.24.08 (with spoilers)

[therealPunchDrunk]

Billy Joe Saunders just beat Worlds bronze medallist Adem Kilicci from Turkey rather easily,14-3.

[locoxelbox]

What a boxing lesson Javier Molina was handed by Boris Georgev. Molina had no clue what to do and looked confused in there.

[boxmel]

What a boxing lesson Javier Molina was handed by Boris Georgev. Molina had no clue what to do and looked confused in there.

Thanks, Loco. I had already checked the results but won't see the bouts until 1 p.m. PST this afternoon. I'm not surprised at Javi's loss - was just hoping it would be a more competitive bout for him. I see that Andrade beat Jvania (GEO) by 2 points.

It's really a shame this team, with a few exceptions, didn't get the necessary international experience to prepare them for this world stage. Another blot on the "pick a year in advance and residency program" plan.

[holeymoley99]

Georgiev is a top ntoch fighter though, I know some think he has slowed but I fully expect him to medal and like i said earlier he is my pick for this weight class. Not Like Javier lost to a nobody. Javi had a great 2007,when I saw him at the Eastern Trials I said then he was the class of that tournament. I didnt expect him to win the trials as I have always been a Jeremy Bryan fan but Molina beat him mutiple times along with Dargan,Soloman and O'Connor. He hung tight with Cuban Iglesis 10-4 at the America's Qualifier. I really see bright things ahead for this kid. He is only 18, lets see where he is in 4 years.

Andrade just need to focus and take each bout 1 at a time. He has Balanov next and should win that one and then likely John Jackson (Julian's other and better son).

[boxmel]

Javi had a great 2007,when I saw him at the Eastern Trials I said then he was the class of that tournament.

He did really well domestically; very little international experience.

I didnt expect him to win the trials as I have always been a Jeremy Bryan fan

I was sceptical about his chances to make the team (and very happy when he did) and I'm also a Jeremy Bryan fan - and a Karl Dargan fan - 8) It's really not a lot of fun when boxers you know and like have to compete against each other.

I really see bright things ahead for this kid. He is only 18, lets see where he is in 4 years.

Pro. I seriously doubt that he and Oscar will stick around for another four years.

Andrade just need to focus and take each bout 1 at a time. He has Balanov next and should win that one and then likely John Jackson (Julian's other and better son).

I certainly wasn't impressed with Julius.

Thanks for your input, Holey.

[PRKO]

Driss Moussaid and Colin Richarno impressed me today, Moussaid has a tough shell defense and good counter ability would like to see what he could do down the road. Richarno is fast and aggresive he has some flaws in his D but entertaining to see.

Another who looked good was Roniel Iglesias totally in control, beautiful boxing technique, should be a finalist.

Who did not impressed me at all was Kovalev, I mean just looking on how he fights and his style I don't even know how he was Silver Medalist at the World Championships.

[Kolya]

Driss Moussaid and Colin Richarno impressed me today, Moussaid has a tough shell defense and good counter ability would like to see what he could do down the road. Richarno is fast and aggresive he has some flaws in his D but entertaining to see.

Another who looked good was Roniel Iglesias totally in control, beautiful boxing technique, should be a finalist.

Who did not impressed me at all was Kovalev, I mean just looking on how he fights and his style I don't even know how he was Silver Medalist at the World Championships.

The guy Kovalev boxed was awful though, and kind of dragged Gennady down to his level. Driss Moussaid was really good though.

[Grey]

Yeah, Bob and Teddy are much better at commentating pro fights.

[therealPunchDrunk]

Georgiev is a top ntoch fighter though, I know some think he has slowed but I fully expect him to medal and like i said earlier he is my pick for this weight class. Not Like Javier lost to a nobody. Javi had a great 2007,when I saw him at the Eastern Trials I said then he was the class of that tournament. I didnt expect him to win the trials as I have always been a Jeremy Bryan fan but Molina beat him mutiple times along with Dargan,Soloman and O'Connor. He hung tight with Cuban Iglesis 10-4 at the America's Qualifier. I really see bright things ahead for this kid. He is only 18, lets see where he is in 4 years.

Andrade just need to focus and take each bout 1 at a time. He has Balanov next and should win that one and then likely John Jackson (Julian's other and better son).

Didn't see the Georgiev fight... I based my earlier statement that I think he's on the slide, on his performance against Gavin at EU (Gavin made him look small by the way), so I could be wrong (which in turn underlines just how good Gavin must be).

I thought BJ Saunders looked very impressive today, and Andrade certainly did not... Incidentally, I think they have a very similar style, but Andrade looks faster to me. He's gonna have to be smarter if/when they meet though...

[holeymoley99]

In a few hours the best opening round matchup of the Games with Albert Selimovs Vs Vasyl Lomachenko in a reamtch of last years World Championship finals won by Selimov 16-12. It was even after 2 then Selimov had a big 3rd going up by 4. Should be a real good one. Any predictions ?

[Canada]

I think that is a really hard match to predict, there fight was close and both guys are super skilled and have fought well recently. I will go with Selimov simply becuase he won the first match, but it will be a tight one.

[boxmel]

Couple of comments on the officiating (after watching the bouts this afternoon). Some slaps are being counted as legal shots - tsk. tsk. And I did see a body shot counted (on Molina). Georgiev's style sucks - even the ref had to caution him to box as he has running down to a fine science. Wish Teddy would say "caution" instead of "warning" whenever the ref cautions a boxer. Sigh.

And I am thoroughly sick of Teddy's ability to get in every boxer's head and know exactly how he is thinking!

[Canada]

The first punch Georgiev threw after he was cautioned floored Molina though and in the first round there where many exchanges and Georgiev was still up 6-0, hes just a higher level fighter. There are hardly any bodyshots being counted, but I can understand that when two fighters are close together it would be very hard to see them land unless you had a good view, which we watching the brodcasts get, but the judges on the other side of the ring dont. I think the scoring has been ok. Alot of times at least from other competions and tournaments Ive seen points come up after every exchange, almost as if the judges feel they have to score a punch simply because it was thrown. One fight where good judging comes to mind is Todd Kidd against a Morrocan fighter, Kid was extremely aggresive never stopped coming foward and throwing, yet he still lost 23-2, the judges did a good job in this fight rewarding the blows landing, not the big flurries landing on the gloves.

I was also very impressed by Billy Joe Saunders, he beat a top opponent easily, and Andrade struggled. I could defently see the upset happening if they met.

[ogii3]

Couple of comments on the officiating (after watching the bouts this afternoon). Some slaps are being counted as legal shots - tsk. tsk. And I did see a body shot counted (on Molina). Georgiev's style sucks - even the ref had to caution him to box as he has running down to a fine science. Wish Teddy would say "caution" instead of "warning" whenever the ref cautions a boxer. Sigh.

And I am thoroughly sick of Teddy's ability to get in every boxer's head and know exactly how he is thinking!

Hey Mel, what you mean Georgiev style sucks???
He has supreme defence abilities, makes show to the public, an experienced person in boxing like you must been seen tones of fights. Good style in amateur boxing means to go ahead and to bang?
Look at Rigondeaux for example, his style is also very defensive, but he is aknowaged by everybody
Georgiev fought on counters, he made a flash KD and then in the forth went gloves by gloves with Molina and Stuns him very badly.
With puting out 20 points rule it's logic to keep your 7-8-10 points advantage and to avoid exchanges, cos you may be hurt or get some injury. Every fighter do this!

Sorry Mel, but i can't accept your comments. A lot of specialists from Russia and Cuba said that Georgiev is pure class in last 7-8 years. Now he is in supreme form, without injuries since long time ago.
And something more, because in some politics in our Olympic comite, The two Bulgarian fighters Georgiev and Pulev when into the Games with only one coach - olympic champ Petar Lesov, without phisio and doc. So in this fight Pulev was in the corner of Georgiev and when Pulev fights Georgiev will be at his corner.

I seen only few fights since the start of the event, cos has a lot of other durties in Beijing, but the officiatin isn;t so good, just see the fight of Mongolian against Zambian at 64. THere were a lot of clean shots that werent counted for African.

[Spreadking]

After the Beterbiev-Katende fight, there's going to be a three-hour break and no more TV coverage for me. I think Telemundo will show some of the fights, but I don't have it. So write some good info on the bouts for me to read when I get up.

These are the fights I recorded off of Telemundo on Saturday
Shawn Estrada W 4 Ezequeil Osvaldo Maderna 8-09-08
Washington Silva W 4 Azea Augustama (no rd 1) 8-09-08
Emilio Correa Bayeaux W 4 Jarrod Fletcher 8-09-08
Carlos Gongora W 4 Konstantin Buga 8-09-08
Carlos Negron Colon W 4 Mehdi Ghorbani 8-09-08
Sergiy Derevyanchenko W 4 Jianzheng Wang (no rd 1,2) 8-09-08

Were these just a repeat of what was shown on CNBC ? or some different fights ?

thanks

[generic screen name]

I dunno if it was a proper way of fighting in the amateurs, but if Georgiev was in the pros that would be called running. I mean, I'm not taking his win away from him, and he deserves the win because he fought within the proper rules, but I've seen my share of bad fights, but this was pretty bad. I wish him the best, but he did not make me a fan!!

[boxmel]

Hey Mel, what you mean Georgiev style sucks???

Ogii3 - I don't like boxers who hit and run - never have, and that includes the Cubans who, however. aren't as awkward as Georgiev. Nothing personal. 8)

And, so far, I think the officiating, for the most past, is fine. 8)

Yes, Telemundo is mostly a repeat of what is being shown on CNBC.

[Spreadking]

thanks Mel

I will keep recording, even if it's just 1 new fight. LOL

go US

[holeymoley99]

Some styles arent as fan friendly as other styles BUT a fighter has to fight to his strengths if he wants to do his best. I think Boris has mastered the style that works best for him and to beat Molina that badly speaks volumes. Ironically enough Rock Allen drew Boris for his 1st bout 4 years ago and lost by 20 points.

The scoring has been inconsistant,some bouts looked dead on and others not as much. I think the correct fighter has won in most cases but I have witnessed points going up for a fighter when the only thrown punch was by his opponent and this should NEVER happen.

[holeymoley99]

A hole in Javi Molina's lung ?

[Canada]

Seems like theres some bad blood between Selimov and Lomanchenko, Selimov showed no respect. Lomanchenko looked very impressive, defantly my pick to win gold now.

[holeymoley99]

Lomenchenko hammers Selimov who repeatedly pushed and shoved him after the rounds and even after the fight. Pretty classless. 2 defending world champions eliminated in their first fights, wonder what the record is for that ?

I'll still stick with my Torriente pick but that was a very nice showing.

[fatman]

Raynell Williams was excellent I thought

[therealPunchDrunk]

Ogii3 - I don't like boxers who hit and run - never have, and that includes the Cubans who, however. aren't as awkward as Georgiev. Nothing personal. 8)

Seriously Mel, those are just sour grapes. Georgiev put on a boxing clinic, and he gave Molina all the offensive he could handle. At times he stood toe to toe with Molina, and schooled him even more than when he was moving. In the end, Molina would have suffered if it had been more of a phone booth fight.
It's a long tournament, no reason for Georgiev to take a lot of chances, when you can make it easy and save energy for the next round. It's the sensible thing to do, and I'm sure you wouldn't mind if it had been to other way around.

[boxmel]

Seriously Mel, those are just sour grapes.

No - not sour grapes. I just don't like Georgiev's style of boxing. I am not dissing his ability or skills.

Georgiev put on a boxing clinic, and he gave Molina all the offensive he could handle. At times he stood toe to toe with Molina, and schooled him even more than when he was moving. In the end, Molina would have suffered if it had been more of a phone booth fight.

I totally agree with your assessment and I don't think I've said, at any time, that I thought Molina won or came close to winning. He was totally outclassed and didn't know how to handle Georgiev at all.