Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:teddy007 wrote:Wax On wrote:I'm not saying I agree with telling porkies on your CV, but why would Ted be worried about them doing checks now. It's a case of buyer beware, and if they didn't bother doing checks in the 1st place when he was an unknown quantity then why would they now!!
If he's bringing c£300k worth of revenue into the business I'm pretty damn certain they wouldn't give two shits if he'd lied about his sex and his age to boot. My best consultant is always saying he got a 1st but I know he got a "desmond" at best!! Although this is tongue in cheek, the point is, if he's making money for me and I feel that other than a few opportunistic lies on his CV I can trust him, why should I be bothered. I'm employing him as a recruiter not a child nanny.
In response to StuJones, the biggest tip I can give any graduate is to do a placement year in a role relevant to what you want to do. This is an opportunity to get a Blue Chip name on your CV that would be 50 times harder once you're a grad that they have to commit to taking on permanently at full salary. Once you have some experience to talk about at interview and on your CV, you can't go wrong - unless you've got seriously bad social skills and are awful at interview. (Which you can practise anyway).
Totally aggree with the post. I'm not saying what i did was a good thing but i really had 2 options work in McDonalds or a factory or put my neck on the line and go for it.
You haven't answered any of my questions yet (either on here or by PM -at your instigation) but here's another:
How about option 3 - actually WORKING to get the qualifications you lied about?
As an educator, people like you disgust me. You seem to think it's admirable and talk about 'bottle' and 'taking a chance'.
It isn't. And don't anyone please give me 'that's the way the world works...everyone lies, etc.'. Doesn't make it right.
I know people who have given up years of their lives and put themselves in massive debt to honestly get the qualifications you pretended to have. More fool them, eh? Hmmm.
I think that all sounds a bit over the top to be honest Ian.
The world is full of academics with no social skills - I'm forever meeting people with 1sts, Masters or PHD's who have abysmal interview skills and no idea how to sell themselves!
Despite this, some companies (wrongly in my opinion) set certain minimum academic criteria that they expect applicants to possess to consider them. Ted was faced with the choice of an expensive and lengthy period of time gaining qualifications for a role that he doesn't need, or being a little creative on his CV. Who can blame him for the choice he made - we all have a living to make!
Interestingly enough I hope it didn't escape your attention that the winner of the apprentice this year was actually found to have told lies on his CV about the length of time he'd spent at University, and was forgiven this by Sir Alan Sugar, because ultimately he had performed best throughout the series and it generally accepted in the commercial world that people do tend to get a little creative with their CV's.
I understand you as an educator being frustrated by this, but "don't hate the player, hate the game"!! 8)
