2008 Olympic Games Beijing 8.8.08-8.24.08 (with spoilers)

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Sometimes a fighter just outgrows a weight division. I was saying two months ago, that Frankie Gavin wasn't gonna make weight, after seeing him struggling to even make 64kg, and making the light welters Georgiev and Gyula Kate look small.

I have no idea if this was the case with Russell jr., but people who are claiming they can make any fighter make any weight they need to are the dangerous ones. At one point you just outgrow a certain division. I'll pay 1000$ to the guy who can get Oscar de la Hoya back to lightweight in fighting condition :lol:
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God, Bob Pappas is a huge idiot. He needs to just shut his mouth. Yeah, go back to subjective judging! Bright idea Bob; national rivalries won't lead to screw jobs there!
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therealPunchDrunk wrote:Sometimes a fighter just outgrows a weight division. I was saying two months ago, that Frankie Gavin wasn't gonna make weight, after seeing him struggling to even make 64kg, and making the light welters Georgiev and Gyula Kate look small.

I have no idea if this was the case with Russell jr., but people who are claiming they can make any fighter make any weight they need to are the dangerous ones. At one point you just outgrow a certain division. I'll pay 1000$ to the guy who can get Oscar de la Hoya back to lightweight in fighting condition :lol:
Or the guy who can get Jose Luis Castillo to make a weight (any weight) and be in shape to box. Boxers age and most get bigger with age. Many get slower too.

Lets allow the countries to qualify a spot and not individual boxers. Obviously that doesn't help certain boxers, but in USA's case, Russell could move up and TRY to take Williams' spot. If successful, Williams could move up and compete against Ali for his spot. It wouldn't change the fact that Warren didn't perform at the level expected of him, but I still favor it.
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Thankyou DCAB for making my point too. The physician said that 2 things could cause the subcutaneous emphysema-blunt trauma (duh) or infection. Gee, I bet this young man has had a dose of both recently. And if he had to rest even during opening ceremonies, that should tell you something. True the subcutaneous emphysema in of itself is not harmful, but it is a SYMPTOM of something more serious. So Molina competes, do you think he is not going to get any more blunt trauma in the bout? Does it occur to anyone that more of the same might indeed drop the lung or at least make it worse?? Remember he was SHORT OF BREATH on Friday. That is a major symptom. Iv'e been around boxing awhile, and I have never seen this in a boxer. Doesn't seem too common to me. I bet few if any other coaches have seen it either. The last kid I saw with subcutaneous emphysema from his chest (a healthy non-boxer) ended up in the hospital with a chest tube (tall thin kid whose lung tissue just didn't stretch).
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Lets allow the countries to qualify a spot and not individual boxers.
Very, extremely, unbelievably wishful thinking. 8)
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DCAB, I absolutely feel that the personal coaches should be involved as much as the coaches can manage. As I see it, they were the ones that got these athletes to the level that they are, and there is no reason that they shouldn't have been involved the entire time! I agree with you that it isn't just Gary's fault. Our Olympic coaches should have been on top of this for a month prior to leaving, not just a week before. The athlete's job is to box and learn and grow and condition, etc. The coaches' job is to teach and guide. Where was the guidance? And it is true, many of these young men are still growing, and choosing the team so far in advance did no favors for anyone. USA Boxing has got to learn something from all this. Unfortunately it is at the expense of our athletes, if they do indeed learn anything.
People keep talking about the possiblilty of the personal coaches' style, etc. interfering with the Olympic coaches. Gosh, that looks like a GOOD thing to me. Just how many National Champions has Dan Campbell had...........? There is a WEALTH of coaching talent in our country. There needs to be a better system to "choose" the National coach as well as the Olympic coach, and a system to monitor the progress of the team and the training. Just who does the Olympic coaches answer to?? Whom ever it is, they havn't been looking too hard at things, nor asking the right questions.
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DCAB, I absolutely feel that the personal coaches should be involved as much as the coaches can manage. As I see it, they were the ones that got these athletes to the level that they are, and there is no reason that they shouldn't have been involved the entire time!
I think there are mitigating circumstances such as (1) can they take off from their jobs and families for a long stretch of time? (2) Can USA Boxing afford to house and feed them? (3) Does the OTC have the rooms to house them and capability of feeding them? Remember - there are many other residency programs in Colorado Springs - USA Boxing is just one.
Gosh, that looks like a GOOD thing to me. Just how many National Champions has Dan Campbell had...........?
One that I can remember - his daughter in the mid-90's.
There needs to be a better system to "choose" the National coach as well as the Olympic coach,
It appears that the Olympic coach will now be the National Director of Coaching, a paid staff member. I believe that person chose the two assistant coaches for Beijing.
Just who does the Olympic coaches answer to??
Head coach answers to Millman; assistant coaches answer to head coach. Millman is brand new to amateur boxing.
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Oh yes, I remember her. I think there were just two competitors in her weight class that year. She's a nice girl.
Seems like Millman needs to get a crash-course education in amateur boxing, supervision, damage control, guidance, personnel management, ....... I do so hope he can. Boxing needs good strong knowledgeable leaders. I know there are a lot of us out here that will do what we can to help things. There are a lot of good ideas, good thinkers in the ranks of the coaches.
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Seems like Millman needs to get a crash-course education in amateur boxing, supervision, damage control, guidance, personnel management, .......
And who is your suggestion to do this? :wink:
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what time are they showing the fights? i havent been able to catch them yet :(
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boxmel wrote: I think there are mitigating circumstances such as (1) can they take off from their jobs and families for a long stretch of time?
Good point, that's why I said "offer" because many may not be able to afford the time off.
boxmel wrote:(2) Can USA Boxing afford to house and feed them?(3) Does the OTC have the rooms to house them and capability of feeding them? Remember - there are many other residency programs in Colorado Springs - USA Boxing is just one.
Two words - GOLDEN BOY! No is as good a time as any to step in. I'm sure De La Hoya may have just been "The Boy" if the residency program, as it exists today, was in place. We need a hero . . .
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Spreadking wrote:I found odds with Warren ( US ) being a favorite to win gold in his division. I took the field to win the gold instead of Warren +105.
cash me out.....go USA
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Oh yes, I remember her. I think there were just two competitors in her weight class that year
What year? She won several national championships. Name was Kanicia Eley.
Two words - GOLDEN BOY! No is as good a time as any to step in. I'm sure De La Hoya may have just been "The Boy" if the residency program, as it exists today, was in place
Ummm - has anyone seen exactly what Oscar is going to do for USAB? I haven't. And "The Boy" doesn't really have the clout to take over the OTC.
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what US boxer fights next?
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Yanez is up in a bit I think Corey, and Deontay.
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Hey, Shiming isn't fighting like he's on crack.
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Deontay fought a great match after down 2-0 in the 1st round.

Really impressived me.

What heart!! I'm a big fan of this kid.
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i missed the fights..how did luis and deontay do? please say they won..
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That was a terrifying match for Wilder. I had my heart in my throat most of the way. He just can't start that slowly next time, but once he started timing that right hand, he was landing it well and hurting Toulbini with basically every punch. But he didn't have it til the fourth and was really inaccurate in the first and second, and got punished with a holding warning - which seemed unfair. Very exciting stuff, but I was hoping for something easy :)

Did anyone watch Usyk? He walloped a pretty good Chinese fighter and it was basically no contest. He came up from Middleweight, and clearly has the size to manage at Heavyweight and is a really sharp puncher.



SPOILERS**********************************************************from second session



Yanez slides through 12-9 over De La Nieve. Scary close, but a good day for the US finally. Two big losses already at 48kg - Russian European Champion Ayrapetyan was beaten by the Ukrainian Chigaev and World Silver Medalist Harry Tanamor lost to Ghana's Manyo Plange, a rare high point for the African contingent.
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Luis beat Spain 12-9. Next up for him is Purevdorj from Mongolia. Deontay beat Toulbini from Algeria 10-4. Next up for him is Arjaoui from MAR, who beat Brad Pitt from Oz 11-6.
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MORE SPOILERS*****************************************************************



Super heavies are under way, and Cuba has lost their first fighter with Alfonso losing to Glazkov.
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ok glad to know they won..we have to get at least one or two GOLD medals..i know thats a very high expectation with the way we lost 4 of our boxers in the 1st round, but oh well..Demetrius Andrade was my pick along with Rau'shee Warren to win gold..now that Rau'shee has been eliminated I'm going with Demetrius and Luis Yanez(we're both Texans)..I know it would take a miracle to happen, but I wish our remaining American boxers would all win gold..if we don't even get a single medal though it's going to be really sad..especially after all the guys have gone through..living in colorado springs away from their families for a year so that they can accomplish something they have dreamed about for so long..Go USA!
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YET MORE SPOILERS*****************************************************************










Russia's bad day continues as David Price of Great Britain stops Islam Timurziev in the second round! :o

Very surprising - Price is quite good but I am quite surprised he has won by stoppage.
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boxmel wrote:
Two words - GOLDEN BOY! No is as good a time as any to step in. I'm sure De La Hoya may have just been "The Boy" if the residency program, as it exists today, was in place
Ummm - has anyone seen exactly what Oscar is going to do for USAB? I haven't. And "The Boy" doesn't really have the clout to take over the OTC.
Sorry, I wasn't clear . . .I just want him to stroke checks. I always here there's no money for this and no money for that, which I completely understand. What baffles me is that there are a lot of causes that try to get our youth to be more productive (after school programs, educational programs and sports programs), butz IMO, NO sport takes a kid headed down the wrong path and rights them better and more effectively than boxing. I'm pretty sure that So. Cal is similar to DC in having a lot of youth heading the wrong way in life. When I meet some of these young me and women, I can understand why they don't care about much. Many of them have adult issues on their backs that NO child should have to deal with. The gyms are their escapes and give them an opportunity to vent and release frustrations, but also learn discipline and respect. I think that most boxing coaches would agree that they are more of a life coach/boxing coach. I think that is because unlike basketball, football and other sports -boxing doesn't have a season. So, instead of trying to guide a young boxer in life for a season, boxing coaches are generally around and available for their boxers the entire year. My point is if someone had money to spend on a worthwhile sports program, boxing is less expensive than all other sports (so more kids can be reached) and IMO the most effective and helping young people that need it.

All hear about is catchy little campaigns that have never made it to my area (like the Gloves For Guns program), which make me question if people actually want to help or just need a good PR opportunity. So, if Golden Boy just wants to help defray costs for some of the things that many people agree boxing needs, I'm all for that. I don't expect them to actually come up with solutions, just stroke a check or two.
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emile wrote:YET MORE SPOILERS*****************************************************************










Russia's bad day continues as David Price of Great Britain stops Islam Timurziev in the second round! :o

Very surprising - Price is quite good but I am quite surprised he has won by stoppage.
Whow! Wasn't Islam Timurziev one of the Gold medal favourite's! Great win for Price hope he can medal.
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