Boxrec Hall of Fame Ballot (August 2008)

[Ambling Alp]

It's time for another Hall of Fame Election. The deadline for submitting a ballot is Noon CDT on August 15, 2008. I will total the ballots shortly after that.

A brief summary of the rules:
-A voter can vote for up to 25 names. (If you vote for more than 25, your entire ballot doesn't count.)
-A fighter's last fight has to be before August 15, 1998 to be eligible.
-You can change your vote. Your last vote before the deadline will be the one counted.
-Candidates who are named on atleast 75% of the ballots are elected. If no fighters receive enough votes, the fighter(s) with the most will be elected.
Go to the Boxrec Hall of Fame Sticky (p.2) for more complete rules.

To vote, just list your selections on this thread. (Don't put them on the Hall of Fame Sticky or any other thread.)
It would be appreciated if you list your selections in alphabetical order.

It's a good idea to check every name that other voters have on their ballot. You may find someone that you overlooked.

So far there had a been a good variety of fighters from different era's, There has been decent representation of different weight classes, styles, etc. Hopefully that will continue.

Fighters already elected: Muhammad Ali,Lou Ambers,Henry Armstrong,Abe Attell,Carmen Basilio,Wilfred Benitez,Nino Benvenuti,Panama Al Brown,Charlie Burley,Tony Canzoneri,Marcel Cerdan,Ezzard Charles,Kid Chocolate, Billy Conn,Les Darcey,Jack Dempsey,"Nonpariel" Jack Dempsey,George Foreman,Bob Fitzsimmons,Tiger Flowers,Bob Foster,Joe Frazier,Khaosai Galaxy,Joe Gans,Kid Gavilan,Wilfredo Gomez,Harry Greb,Emile Griffith,Marvin Hagler,James Jeffries,Harold Johnson,Jack Johnson,Eder Jofre,Stanley Ketchel,Jake LaMotta,Sam Langford,Benny Leonard,Ray Leonard,Sonny Liston,Duilio Loi,Tommy Loughran,Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,Mike McCallum,Jimmy McLarnin,Packey McFarland,Terry McGovern,Carlos Monzon,Archie Moore,Jose Napoles,Rueben Olivares,Carlos Ortiz,Wille Pep,Pascual Perez,Ray Robinson,Barney Ross,Tommy Ryan,Sandy Saddler,Salvador Sanchez,Michael Spinks,Dick Tiger,Gene Tunney,Barbadoes Joe Walcott,Mickey Walker,Jimmy Wilde,Ike Williams, and Carlos Zarate.

There will be another thread that will be called a "Discussion Thread". On it you can express opinions regarding the Boxrec Hall of Fame. It will be a good opportunity for you to champion the cause of particular fighters that you feel should make it or shouldn't. That should be a lot fun.
That thread will be for Discussion only. Voting must be on this thread.

Also, voters are encouraged to name one fighter on their ballot that they consider the most worth and briefly why. You don't have to do this to vote. However, it may help the cause of that fighter.
Lets have fun everyone!

To get things started, here is my ballot:

Sammy Angott
Joe Brown
Jack Britton
Miguel Canto
George Dixon
Flash Elorde
Gene Fullmer
Joey Giardello
Beau Jack
Johnny Kilbane
Ted Kid Lewis
Nicolino Locche
Sammy Mandell
Lloyd Marshall
Kid McCoy
Bob Montgomery
Manuel Ortiz
Eusebio Pedroza
Aaron Pryor
Sugar Ramos
Luis Rodriguez
Vincente Saldivar
John L. Sullivan
Freddie Welsh
Holman Williams

I am choosing Vincente Saldivar as the fighter that is the most worthy. I feel that he was one of the Top 5 featherweights of Alltime. He had only 3 losses and none were embarrassing. He also had several wins over very good opponents.

[Seamus]

JIMMY BARRY
ANTONIO CERVANTES
YOUNG CORBETT III
JACK DILLON
GEORGE DIXON
JIM DRISCOLL
MIKE GIBBONS
TOMMY GIBBONS
YOUNG GRIFFO
JOHNNY KILBANE
FIDEL LABARBA
JOHN HENRY LEWIS
TED "KID" LEWIS
NICOLINO LOCCHE
SAMMY MANDELL
KID McCOY
FREDDIE MILLER
PHILADELPHIA JACK O'BRIEN
LUIS RODRIGUEZ
FREDDIE STEELE
YOUNG STRIBLING
PANCHO VILLA
FREDDIE WELSH
HOLMAN WILLIAMS
MIDGET WOLGAST

[raylawpc]

If I'm only interested in voting for one fighter, how do I do that?

[Ezzard]

Jack Britton
Jim Corbett
Young Corbett III
George Dixon
Jim Driscoll
Flash Elorde
Tommy Gibbons
Peter Jackson
Joe Jeanette
Ted Kid Lewis
Nicolino Locche
Lloyd Marshall
Bob Montgomery
Owen Moran
Kid Norfolk
Manuel Ortiz
Eusebio Pedroza
Luis Rodriguez
Vicente Saldivar
Young Stribling
John L Sullivan
Rodrigo Valdez
Pancho Villa
Freddie Welsh
Tony Zale

Hope I haven't missed anyone or voted for someone already in...

can I please draw everyone's attention to Owen Moran... Basically a forgotten fighter who I believe deserves to be represented here. He was a formidable fighter...

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Accavallo, Horacio
Archer, Joey
Brown, Joe
Carattoli, Jose
Dixon, George
Elorde, Gabriel Flash
Fernandez, Jorge
Godoy, Arturo
Joyce, Willie
Kilbane, Johnny
Laguna, Ismael
Lausse, Eduardo
Locche, Nicolino
Marshall, Lloyd
Merentino, Rafael
Mina, Mauro
Moore, Memphis Pal
Nelson, Battling
Ortiz, Manuel
Paul, Tommy
Rodriguez, Angel
Suarez, Justo
Sullivan, John L
Torres, Jose Chegui
Zivic, Fritzie

[Expug]

Baby Arizmendi
Jimmy Barry
Jack Blackburn
Jimmy Bivins
Jack Britton
Miguel Canto
Jim Corbett
Flash Elorde
Gene Fullmer
Victor Galindez
Billy Graham
Ace Hudkins
Beau Jack
Fidel Labarba
Nicolino Loche
Danny Lopez
Battling Nelson
Philadelphia Jack OBrien
Carlos Palomino
Eddie Perkins
Vincente Saldivar
Tom Sharkey
John L Sullivan
Ad Wolgast
Tony Zale
Fritzie Zivic

[Seamus]

Martin

Khaosai Galaxy is already in.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Martin

Khaosai Galaxy is already in.

Hi, Seamus!

Thanks!; I'm thinking in another boy for to vote

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

I put right now. May be Galaxy twice in the HOF?

[taverner]

Jack Kid Berg
Jack Britton
Ken Buchanan
Miguel Canto
Antonio Cervantes
Jungkoo Chang
Johnny Coulon
Esteban De Jesus
George Dixon
Jem Driscoll
Victor Galindez
Frankie Genaro
Johnny Kilblane
Fidel La Barba
Ted Kid Lewis
Jack MacAuliffe
Kid McCoy
Freddie Miller
Bob Montgomery
Manuel Ortiz
Eusebio Pedroza
Aaron Pryor
Midget Wolgast
Tony Zale
Hilario Zapata

[raylawpc]

John L. Sullivan

Jack Britton
Jose Carattoli
Joe Choynski
James J. Corbett
Johnny Coulon
Jack Delaney
The Dixie Kid
George Dixon
Mike Donovan
Jem Driscoll
Johnny Dundee
Frankie Genaro
Pete Herman
Peter Jackson
Johnny Kilbane
George “Kid” Lavigne
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Jack McAuliffe
Battling Nelson
Manuel Ortiz
Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
Tom Sharkey
Mysterious Billy Smith
Kid Williams

I've nominated mostly pre-1930 fighters because I believe they are underrepresented.

August 4: Substituted Joe Choynski for Jimmy McLarnin (Thanks, Seamus!)

[Expug]

John L. Sullivan

Jack Britton
Jose Carattoli
James J. Corbett
Johnny Coulon
Jack Delaney
The Dixie Kid
George Dixon
Mike Donovan
Jem Driscoll
Johnny Dundee
Frankie Genaro
Pete Herman
Peter Jackson
Johnny Kilbane
George “Kid” Lavigne
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Jack McAuliffe
Jimmy McLarnin
Battling Nelson
Manuel Ortiz
Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
Tom Sharkey
Mysterious Billy Smith
Kid Williams

I've nominated mostly pre-1930 fighters because I believe they are underrepresented.

Some great names there.
I almost forgot about O'Brien and Sharkey.
I got them on my list after looking at yours.
I had nominated them in the past , but my memory was fading in my cement head.

[Minotauro]

Jack Kid Berg
Jimmy Bivins
Eddie Booker
Jack Britton
Joe Brown
Jeff Clark
Jack Dillion
George Dixon
Esteban De Jesus
Beau Jack
Joe Jeanette
Ted Kid Lewis
Nicolino Looche
Lloyd Marshall
Bob Montgomery
Battling Nelson
Manuel Ortiz
Floyd Patterson
Luis Rodriguez
Vincente Saldivar
Pancho Villa
Jersey Joe Walcott
Holman Williams
Tony Zale
Fritzie Zivic

I hope Marshall, Williams, Dixon, Walcott and Lewis make it this time

[Seamus]

Raylawpc

Jimmy McLarnin is already in. You got another pick coming.

[raylawpc]

Hi Seamus. Thanks! I noticed you didn't nominate the great John L. Sullivan on your list. Any chance you'd be willing to put him on your ballot?

[sockdolager]

Hey guys, when I get a chance tonight I will put my list up. I will have to go back and find my previous ballot.

[raylawpc]

I hope it had the name John L. Sullivan on it!!

[giacomino]

Joe Brown
Miguel Canto
Antonio Cervantes
Flash Elorde
Gene Fullmer
Victor Galindez
Joey Giardello
Beau Jack
Nicolino Locche
Manuel Ortiz
Aaron Pryor
Luis Rodriguez
Vincente Saldivar
John L. Sullivan
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Rodrigo Valdez
Jorge Fernandez
Horacio Accavallo

[My2Sense]

In case I don't get a chance to do a complete list, here's the one I most want in:

LLOYD MARSHALL

[sockdolager]

Joey Archer
Antonio Cervantes
Jim Corbett
Jack Dillon
Jem Driscoll
Gene Fullmer
Tommy Gibbons
Beau Jack
Peter Jackson
Joe Jeannette
Nicolino Locche
Danny Lopez
Ken Norton
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Pryor
Vincente Saldivar
Tom Sharkey
Young Stribling
John L. Sullivan
Jersey Joe Walcott
Holman Williams
Harry Wills
Tony Zale
Fritze Zivic

[BoxBuzz]

Ok I'll start mine, I'll add to it as become more conscious.

John L. Sullivan
Nicolino Loche
Antonio Cervantes
Tony Zale
Floyd Patterson
Harry Wills
Joe Jeanette
Willie Joyce
Jack O'Brien
Tom Sharkey
Gene Fullmer
Joey Giardello
Duilio Loi
Joey Archer
Jersey Joe Walcott
Barbados Joe Walcott
Joe Jeanette
Pancho Villa
Manuel Ortiz
Peter Jackson
George Godfrey
Carlos Ortiz
Carlos Palomino

[My2Sense]

Here's a bit more comprehensive list from me:

Fred Apostoli
Jimmy Barry
Battling Battalino
Jack "Kid" Berg
Jimmy Bivins
Lou Brouillard
Joe Brown
Flash Elorde
Gene Fullmer
George Dixon
Joey Giardello
Beau Jack
Frank Klaus
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Lloyd Marshall
Kid McCoy
Bob Montgomery
Manny Ortiz
Billy Petrolle
Luis Rodriguez
Freddie Steele
John L. Sullivan
Jersey Joe Walcott
Teddy Yarosz
Tony Zale

[Ambling Alp]

Just a reminder that the deadline for voting is Friday, August 15, Noon, Central Time.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

As I changed three names of my original vote, this is my present list:


Accavallo, Horacio
Archer, Joey
Brown, Joe
Carattoli, Jose
Dixon, George
Elorde, Gabriel Flash
Fernandez, Jorge
Godoy, Arturo
Joyce, Willie
Kilbane, Johnny
Laguna, Ismael
Lausse, Eduardo
Locche, Nicolino
Marshall, Lloyd
Merentino, Rafael
Mina, Mauro
Moore, Memphis Pal
Nelson, Battling
Ortiz, Manuel
Paul, Tommy
Rodriguez, Angel
Suarez, Justo
Sullivan, John L
Torres, Jose Chegui
Zivic, Fritzie





In the next, Sixto Escobar, Battling Battalino

[elmersalsa]

Here are my 25 selections for this month:

1. Sammy Angott
2. Fred Apostoli
3. Baby Arizmendi
4. Battling Battalino
5. Jack "Kid" Beg
6. Lou Brouillard
7 .Young Corbett III
8. Jack Delaney
9. Jim Driscoll
10. Jackie Fields
11. Pete "Kid" Herman
12. Joe Jeannette
13. Benny Lynch
14. Joey Maxim
15. Freddie Miller
16. Bob Montgomery
18. Ken Norton
19. Floyd Patterson
20. Eusebio Pedroza
21. Billy Petrolle
22. Freddie Steele
23. Pancho Villa
24. Jersey Joe Walcott
25. Holman Williams