Rau'shee Warren loses his first bout

[Kolya]

That's just who Rau'shee is. Normally he's also super aggressive and doesn't care about the computer system; but maybe the way they're giving points here threw him off and made him more conscious of the scoring system. He lost to Lee before too; he just didn't do it right. He could have beaten him if he had been a bit more alert.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

[Find my posts where I waxed lyrical about the Yanks before Beijing. I've always thought they were a laughing stock, have been since 1996 to be honest, save for one or two fighters. They are more style than substance.

Ok, I was just fishing anyhow . . .didn't even want to bother doing the research. Gray-Fox is British . .

If that's the case (more style than substance) with us Yanks, why do our amateurs always leave you Brits in the dust in the professional ranks? We must be doing something right, huh WBC Champs UK (11), USA (75) - WBO Champs UK (22), USA (49) - IBF Champs UK (13 ), USA (stopped counting at 100).

I know you'll say there are more of us here, but didn't modern prizefighting start in London? You had about a two hundred year headstart . . .

[Gray-Fox]

I agree with you though. Professional and amateur boxing are two different sports. British fighters/trainers are simply not intelligent/hungry enough to be bona fide world champions. I readily concede that. I am not a patriot by any means, if anything I'd prefer the USA to do well since most of my idols are from there and most of the best boxers are from there.

In terms of leaving people in the dust however, Cuba and Russia make the USA look like idiots when they box. ONE of the USA's problems is allowing Latino fighters into the team. They rarely fight with an amateur style. I don't think there's one Mexican boxer in these Olympics, though I could be wrong. If not, it's not without good reason.

[Kolya]

We can't exclude somebody based on race. That'd ridiculous. These guys all came up in the USA Boxing system and have had the opportunity to learn the amateur system; the problem is our preparation process and the way we teach the kids in the gym, to fight professionally rather than to box amateur style.

[Gray-Fox]

We can't exclude somebody based on race. That'd ridiculous. These guys all came up in the USA Boxing system and have had the opportunity to learn the amateur system; the problem is our preparation process and the way we teach the kids in the gym, to fight professionally rather than to box amateur style.

I never said exclude them, but they don't HAVE to be picked based on their style. If they change thei style they should get in. It's just masking the fact that the USA has a paucity of talent in the amateurs.

[Kolya]

No, it's our selection process. You have to win our Olympic Trials. It's not a lack of talent-look at Danny Jacobs, who's now a professional middleweight. But he was beaten in the Olympic Trials by Shawn Estrada and eliminated. We don't have a subjective selection; it's based on the results in competition. Unfortunately even within the US the judges work differently than these guys at the Olympics are.

[CoreyWash]

nothing against shawn estrada and i wish him well, but i think danny jacobs would have a better shot at getting a medal..

[Kolya]

Depends. If he had the draw Shawn has he wouldn't medal either. Matvei Korobov schooled Danny a few years back and Shawn has to face him if he beats the British dude he's fighting next. Either way, Danny should have beaten Shawn if he was better; so I guess Shawn just had the better tournament at the Trials.

[CoreyWash]

yeah i think shawn had the better tourney

[therealPunchDrunk]

[Find my posts where I waxed lyrical about the Yanks before Beijing. I've always thought they were a laughing stock, have been since 1996 to be honest, save for one or two fighters. They are more style than substance.

Ok, I was just fishing anyhow . . .didn't even want to bother doing the research. Gray-Fox is British . .

If that's the case (more style than substance) with us Yanks, why do our amateurs always leave you Brits in the dust in the professional ranks? We must be doing something right, huh WBC Champs UK (11), USA (75) - WBO Champs UK (22), USA (49) - IBF Champs UK (13 ), USA (stopped counting at 100).

I know you'll say there are more of us here, but didn't modern prizefighting start in London? You had about a two hundred year headstart . . .

History isn't your strongest subject, is it? How many WBC, WBO, IBF or WBA champs do you think there were in that 200 year head start? If you really want to count those 200 years, the British would be ahead by a mile, since ALL champs were British. I'd say that one came back around and slapped you in the ass.

P.S. I'm not British, so I don't care either way :)

[boxmel]

I

never said exclude them, but they don't HAVE to be picked based on their style. If they change thei style they should get in.

None of our boxers are picked based on their style. None. If you win the Olympic Trials, it doesn't matter if your Martian!

[locoxelbox]

ONE of the USA's problems is allowing Latino fighters into the team. They rarely fight with an amateur style. I don't think there's one Mexican boxer in these Olympics, though I could be wrong. If not, it's not without good reason.

Oscar De La Hoya is a latino...he didn´t do too bad.

I don't think there's one Mexican boxer in these Olympics, though I could be wrong. If not, it's not without good reason.

There are three mexican boxers.

[boxmel]

but maybe the way they're giving points here threw him off and made him more conscious of the scoring system.

The only difference between "here" and, say, the Worlds, is that they are scoring lower. Other than that, nothing has changed. Rau'shee has never been one to worry about the scoring system. He has just come out throwing punches through the entire bout. He didn't do that this time.

[granny#3]

How can this happen?
Rau'shee lost 9-8 to Oksung Lee of Korea in his first bout of the Olympics. Now two of our three best hopes for gold are out of the tournament - Russell and Warren. We have Andrade still in it.
I sure hope that Williams or Wilder can also get a gold or silver with the other getting a bronze. Then if Yanez or Estrada can somehow get a bronze so the team can end up with 4 medals. Is it going to happen? Probably not. USAB will be lucky to end up with 2 medals just like 4 years ago.

they are all champs after all they had to be cheated to be defeated :lol: