2008 Olympic Games Beijing 8.8.08-8.24.08 (with spoilers)

[DCAmateurBoxing]

What did the dude fighting Wilder get warned for?

Holding.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Deontay Wilder won on accepted score of 23-22. A good pts the Peanut Gallery made saying if the accepted score would have been 23-23, the judges would have actually been asked to . . . judge, using the old system of scoring that was removed as the primary means of determining the winner. That would have been ironic.

[holeymoley99]

It seems like when going to accepted scoring the fighter who was penalized should have the advantage since the judges scored more for him based on punches HOWEVER this is the second fight I have seen which has gone the other way.

Russo and Wilder have never fought so I tried to find a common opponent between the two so I had an idea of where the could stand. I found this

Russo over Chakhkiev 7-6 at the 2007 World's
Wilder over Chakhkiev no score given at 2007 USA/Russia dual

Unless Wilder only won by a single point he looks to have a slight edge, at worst this should be a pickem. Also since Wilder is so raw it should be safe to assume he has improved more in the last year then Russo who has been around awhile. I like his chances.

Styles do make fights though,you have a small quick but weak fighter in Russo vs a tall strong but slower Wilder.

[Kolya]

Wilder did win by a single point, 12-11.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Wilder did win by a single point, 12-11.

It was 23-22 per USA Boxing's site and Atlas/Papa.

[Kolya]

Wilder did win by a single point, 12-11.

It was 23-22 per USA Boxing's site and Atlas/Papa.

I meant against Chakhiev earlier this year.

[Canada]

Russo over Chakhkiev 7-6 at the 2007 World's
Wilder over Chakhkiev no score given at 2007 USA/Russia dual

Unless Wilder only won by a single point he looks to have a slight edge, at worst this should be a pickem. Also since Wilder is so raw it should be safe to assume he has improved more in the last year then Russo who has been around awhile. I like his chances.

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I dont think that theory works. For Example Artayev lost to Blanco 15-7 at the world championships, while Korobov beat Blanco 29-4. Therefore Korobov should have had a huge edge. Obviosly when they fought this had no effect and Artayev defeated Korobov. Also the first guy Wilder beat had previously defeated the Morrocan he faced in his second fight, yet the Morrocan still gave him a much tougher bout. Things have been seemingly immpossible to predict. Wilder is still extremly raw and unexpeirenced, Russo has been too two olympics ,is the World Champion, and has beaten two tough opponents(much better than Wilder's) with ease. Russo is my pick to win comfortably but who knows, its a big size difference.

[ray's mom]

Yeah, that Vodopyanov and Raynell Williams looked like trash. Get bent.[/quote]


WHAT FIGHT WAS YOU LOOKING AT PLEASE TELL ME I THINK IF YOU NOT IN THE RING YOU NEED TO KEEP YOU MOUTH SHUT

[Kolya]

Yeah, that Vodopyanov and Raynell Williams looked like trash. Get bent.

WHAT FIGHT WAS YOU LOOKING AT PLEASE TELL ME I THINK IF YOU NOT IN THE RING YOU NEED TO KEEP YOU MOUTH SHUT[/quote]


I was being sarcastic. I didn't think they looked like trash, I thought they were both really good.

[ray's mom]

Yeah, that Vodopyanov and Raynell Williams looked like trash. Get bent.

WHAT FIGHT WAS YOU LOOKING AT PLEASE TELL ME I THINK IF YOU NOT IN THE RING YOU NEED TO KEEP YOU MOUTH SHUT

I was being sarcastic. I didn't think they looked like trash, I thought they were both really good.[/quote]

SORRY THANK YOU

[Kolya]

The guy said that the American and Russian boxers weren't good enough. I just listed the two that looked best to me form both those teams to show that they were good enough.

[boxmel]

The only bright spot in this mess is that this year's debacle may cause such a fuss behind the scenes that London 2012 is put under massive scrutiny.

What kind of "massive scrutiny" or for what? And by whom? Just asking another one of my silly questions.

Both the Russians and the U.S. got bad draws; the Cubans got a good draw. This is also a determining factor on what happens. Wilder got a great draw. Win or lose in the semis, he medals.

It seems like when going to accepted scoring the fighter who was penalized should have the advantage since the judges scored more for him based on punches HOWEVER this is the second fight I have seen which has gone the other way.

Can you explain what you mean, please? Are you talking about the tiebreaker?

Deontay Wilder won on accepted score of 23-22. A good pts the Peanut Gallery made saying if the accepted score would have been 23-23, the judges would have actually been asked to . . . judge, using the old system of scoring that was removed as the primary means of determining the winner. That would have been ironic.

If the accepted score (tiebreaker #1) is tied, the judges will then push their buttons for the boxer they felt won. This system has been in use as the second tie breaker since computer scoring was instituted. So it is not the "old system of scoring." In the 20-point manual system, and current clicker system, if a judge had a tied total score, the winner would be picked using three criteria: Effective aggressor, better defense, better style (who boxed cleaner). The judge writes his or her tiebreaker in the remarks column of the score card.

Mel - Deontay Wilder was the beneficiary of a 4th round warning so it is obvious that the refs can give warnings in the 4th round.

Having been told both, I checked. It's a "policy" that AIBA can put into place or not. Obviously it is not in effect in Beijing. So my "never" statement was erroneous.

I wonder how many in USA Boxing are wishing they would have chosen "the other coach" now.

Can you please explain - and what other coach? I believe the only applicant who fit the requirements was Dan Campbell - his having a college degree tipped him into the correct column.

Hubby and I watched Demetrius' bout (from our couch watching the TV camera viewpoint). We felt he lost. He didn't throw enough punches in the first round. It's really embarrasing at that level when both boxers have to be cautioned to box.

Now that I've caught up..................... 8)

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Ok, I learn something everyday. I've only been involved in boxing for about 4 years now, so this is my first Olympic boxing that I scrutinized and watched closely. I had a question that had been really bothering me as I heard Wilder was guaranteed a medal after winning his quarterfinal bout. Quaterfinals means there are 4 bouts to be contested (4 boxers will advance) with the winners moving forward to box for chance at the Gold medal bout. I get it. But I thought there were only 3 medals!!! So, I couldn't figure out how he was guaranteed anything when there are 4 boxers left. I thought that like the World Championships, 3rd place was the boxer who lost in the seminfinals to the Gold medal winner. I had to look up 2004 medal winners to learn that both the losing boxers of the semifinal bouts will receive Bronze medals. Duh. Please don't bash me, this is my first Olympic experience.

But, I'm willing to take heat for anyone else that didn't know that.

[boxmel]

Ok, I learn something everyday.

What a rarity! Even more so, the fact that you will admit to it.

Taking Wilder as the example:

The quarterfinals consist of 4 bouts with 8 boxers. The winners automatically move into the semifinal bracket - 4 boxers in two bouts. Since there are two bronze medals given, the boxers who lose in the semis are automatically bronze medalists.

Just validating the answer you arrived to on your very own. And there were two bronze medalists at the 2007 Worlds.

[emile]

I'm going to predict right now that Li Yang will beat Lomachenko tomorrow, so i can beat the rush of people mad when it happens.

The Russo-Wilder fight will be very low scoring I think. Deontay's best chance might to try and win 3-2 and focus on his defense. But I expect something like 6-1 for Russo, who has very quick feet.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I'm going to predict right now that Li Yang will beat Lomachenko tomorrow, so i can beat the rush of people mad when it happens.

The Russo-Wilder fight will be very low scoring I think. Deontay's best chance might to try and win 3-2 and focus on his defense. But I expect something like 6-1 for Russo, who has very quick feet.

I expect a much more focused and productive Deontay, who admittedly was very distraught over Andrade losing two bouts previous to his quarterfinal victory and then watching Andrade break down in the dressing room they shared.

[Dennis]

Lets go Deontay. I want to see you beat Russo.

[emile]

Bruno Julie beat Hector Manzanilla, winning the first ever Olympic medal of any kind for Mauritius.

[emile]

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Lomachenko beats Li Yang handily. I hate to be biased, but this is a good result for everybody not Chinese.

[emile]

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It has to be said that the cream seems to be rising to the top. The scores are actually going up in some cases, and hopefully the semi fights will be good ones. David Price stopped his second straight opponent, and Cuba lost their second fighter as Idel Torriente lost 16-14 to Shahin Imranov.

The way the scoring has worked out seems to be favoring veteran fighters - I suppose not that surprising given that the event has become more tactical. A lot of the surprises have been done by fighters with a lot of big tourney experience, apart from the Cubans.

[charlieb]

What kind of "massive scrutiny" or for what? And by whom? Just asking another one of my silly questions.

Perhaps it's naivety on my part in thinking that, or misguided faith in people who are in a position of power 'doing the right thing' ... especially so, if someone like you, a part of the institution with no obvious lack of parity, has no misgivings about these olympics.

The amateur system should be geared entirely towards preparing fighters for a pro career and at one time olympic medalists gave a good indication of who would shine in the pro ranks, from what I'm seeing there are better pro prospects on their way home or already turned over, than there are remaining in the games. Obviously there are exceptions to that rule and a lot of great fighters carry assets that the present amateur system doesn't recognise, but as a whole something's wrong with this picture.

Fact is, it's become an entirely separate sport and that's borderline immoral.

[holeymoley99]

Mel, what I am saying is if fighter a scored 3 points on pucnhes and fighter be only 1 point but the 2 points as a bonus due to a warning then common sense tells us that fighter A should have more when accepted score is consider since the judges rules he won inside the ring HOWEVER form the tiebreakers I have seen the exact opposite is true the fighter who the judges would have scored the loser is winning these fights. Very odd and against the statistical norm. Something is off here without a doubt.

[emile]

The amateur system should be geared entirely towards preparing fighters for a pro career

I don't understand why you think this is true.

[Canada]

The amateur system should be geared entirely towards preparing fighters for a pro career .

Why?

[Dennis]

Amateur boxing does not have to be a breeding ground for the pros.