Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Carlos Santana

"Santana"

By Diego

Love that picture of Carlos.
My favorite Santana tune.
Samba Pa Ti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSECQtF58BU

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Carlos Santana

"Santana"

By Diego

Love that picture of Carlos.
My favorite Santana tune.
Samba Pa Ti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSECQtF58BU

What a great tune!!

[Expug]

I heard it yesterday riding in the car with my ten year old son Rory.
He said" Daddy, thats a great song".
I was proud to hear him say that.

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I heard it yesterday riding in the car with my ten year old son Rory.
He said" Daddy, thats a great song".
I was proud to hear him say that.

I gotta tell you, this the first time I have heard it, not been much of a Santana fan.

[Rick Farris]

B & W, you and anybody else is welcome in this thread, all we ask is that we all respect each other.

Frank,
Thanks, I do feel welcome, for the most part I just assume stay back, read & learn. The few posts I have had I tried to make sure that my input was worthy of this thread like when you posted the picture of my old friend Henry Clark or Rick mentioned that he knew Ray Lunny III whom I also know. I finally found my negitives for the pictures of Geo. Foreman training in S.F. that I promised Rick I would post, I will hopefully post them soon but I have to get the negitives developed & figure how to post them. In the mean time I'm all ears and eyes, taking it all in.
Bobbin & Weavin[/quote]




B&W, I'm looking forward to seeing those photos. I've been very busy in recent weeks and hardly have time to post here, and this is why I haven't yet contacted Ray Lunney III. I promise I will do so, however, and see if he'll drop in here to visit with us. Like all boxers, I know Ray will enjoy remeniscing about his time in boxing, which was a very special time. By the way, I have a copy of a 30 min. student film that a friend of mine produced in 1971 while attending film school up north. My friend is a major producer today, however, while attending school up in the Bay area, he chose to make a film about a young boxer, and that was Ray Lunney III. Shot in B&W 16mm, he actually did one helluva job. When we met last year, and he learned that I'd been in a boxer, he asked if I'd ever heard of Ray. From that, he gave me a DVD of the student film he did on Lunney thirty-six years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I believe I sent a copy of it to my partner Dan Hanley, because it had some interesting gym shots taken in a couple of places, one was the Newman-Herman Gym, where Ray sparred with a guy I used to spar with here in L.A., Raul "Lobito" Montoya. Anyway, it's great to have you a part of this forum, because you know boxing as we do.

-Rick

[Bobbin & Weavin]

Frank,
Thanks, I do feel welcome, for the most part I just assume stay back, read & learn. The few posts I have had I tried to make sure that my input was worthy of this thread like when you posted the picture of my old friend Henry Clark or Rick mentioned that he knew Ray Lunny III whom I also know. I finally found my negitives for the pictures of Geo. Foreman training in S.F. that I promised Rick I would post, I will hopefully post them soon but I have to get the negitives developed & figure how to post them. In the mean time I'm all ears and eyes, taking it all in.
Bobbin & Weavin[/quote]




B&W, I'm looking forward to seeing those photos. I've been very busy in recent weeks and hardly have time to post here, and this is why I haven't yet contacted Ray Lunney III. I promise I will do so, however, and see if he'll drop in here to visit with us. Like all boxers, I know Ray will enjoy remeniscing about his time in boxing, which was a very special time. By the way, I have a copy of a 30 min. student film that a friend of mine produced in 1971 while attending film school up north. My friend is a major producer today, however, while attending school up in the Bay area, he chose to make a film about a young boxer, and that was Ray Lunney III. Shot in B&W 16mm, he actually did one helluva job. When we met last year, and he learned that I'd been in a boxer, he asked if I'd ever heard of Ray. From that, he gave me a DVD of the student film he did on Lunney thirty-six years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I believe I sent a copy of it to my partner Dan Hanley, because it had some interesting gym shots taken in a couple of places, one was the Newman-Herman Gym, where Ray sparred with a guy I used to spar with here in L.A., Raul "Lobito" Montoya. Anyway, it's great to have you a part of this forum, because you know boxing as we do.

-Rick[/quote]

Rick, when I found the negitives of Foreman I was pleasantly surprised to see that I had shot two rolls of Big George training in Newman & Herman's & two rolls of him training across the bay at a closed training camp they had set up to train for the Ali fight. I can view the pictures a little becasue I have proof sheets & I can see I took some pictures of Jim Brown doing some TV work for ABC at the training camp. I also took a picture of Billy Newman sitting in his office at the gym that I will share too.

I would love to see that documentry your friend made about Ray. I am a little surprised you hadn't run across Ray earlier because if I had to guess you two are about the same age & if I remember correctly Ray won the 1969 National AAU tournament in the 125LBS. & I think you said you had been in the National Golden Gloves tournament that same year. I have some super eight footage of me boxing with Ray at the PAL gym which I treasure & my father is going to transfer it to DVD soon. If you do talk to Ray tell him Bruce Smith says hi.
I'm not sure I know boxing like you do but I do know this, it's in my blood, there is something about it I know will never change.
Bobbin & Weavin

[Rick Farris]

Frank,
Thanks, I do feel welcome, for the most part I just assume stay back, read & learn. The few posts I have had I tried to make sure that my input was worthy of this thread like when you posted the picture of my old friend Henry Clark or Rick mentioned that he knew Ray Lunny III whom I also know. I finally found my negitives for the pictures of Geo. Foreman training in S.F. that I promised Rick I would post, I will hopefully post them soon but I have to get the negitives developed & figure how to post them. In the mean time I'm all ears and eyes, taking it all in.
Bobbin & Weavin

B&W, I'm looking forward to seeing those photos. I've been very busy in recent weeks and hardly have time to post here, and this is why I haven't yet contacted Ray Lunney III. I promise I will do so, however, and see if he'll drop in here to visit with us. Like all boxers, I know Ray will enjoy remeniscing about his time in boxing, which was a very special time. By the way, I have a copy of a 30 min. student film that a friend of mine produced in 1971 while attending film school up north. My friend is a major producer today, however, while attending school up in the Bay area, he chose to make a film about a young boxer, and that was Ray Lunney III. Shot in B&W 16mm, he actually did one helluva job. When we met last year, and he learned that I'd been in a boxer, he asked if I'd ever heard of Ray. From that, he gave me a DVD of the student film he did on Lunney thirty-six years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I believe I sent a copy of it to my partner Dan Hanley, because it had some interesting gym shots taken in a couple of places, one was the Newman-Herman Gym, where Ray sparred with a guy I used to spar with here in L.A., Raul "Lobito" Montoya. Anyway, it's great to have you a part of this forum, because you know boxing as we do.

-Rick[/quote]

Rick, when I found the negitives of Foreman I was pleasantly surprised to see that I had shot two rolls of Big George training in Newman & Herman's & two rolls of him training across the bay at a closed training camp they had set up to train for the Ali fight. I can view the pictures a little becasue I have proof sheets & I can see I took some pictures of Jim Brown doing some TV work for ABC at the training camp. I also took a picture of Billy Newman sitting in his office at the gym that I will share too.

I would love to see that documentry your friend made about Ray. I am a little surprised you hadn't run across Ray earlier because if I had to guess you two are about the same age & if I remember correctly Ray won the 1969 National AAU tournament in the 125LBS. & I think you said you had been in the National Golden Gloves tournament that same year. I have some super eight footage of me boxing with Ray at the PAL gym which I treasure & my father is going to transfer it to DVD soon. If you do talk to Ray tell him Bruce Smith says hi.
I'm not sure I know boxing like you do but I do know this, it's in my blood, there is something about it I know will never change.
Bobbin & Weavin[/quote]


B&W . . . Ray and I are nearly the same age (he's a year older) and both turned pro about the same time. Also, I competed in the '69 Nat'l AAU tourney, representing the Southern Pacific team in the flyweight division. The tourney was held at the San Diego International Sports Arena in April 1969. Other National AAU champs that year who became world title challenging pros were heavyweight Earnie Shavers and Armando Muniz. Ray and I had met years earlier up north, and when we hooked up again recently, we had a lot to talk about. Ray KOed my amigo Frankie Crawford and whipped a few other L.A. guys I was close to. Ray is a class act and I will defintily tell him Bruce Smith says Hello.

-Rick

[Rick Farris]

Frank,
Thanks, I do feel welcome, for the most part I just assume stay back, read & learn. The few posts I have had I tried to make sure that my input was worthy of this thread like when you posted the picture of my old friend Henry Clark or Rick mentioned that he knew Ray Lunny III whom I also know. I finally found my negitives for the pictures of Geo. Foreman training in S.F. that I promised Rick I would post, I will hopefully post them soon but I have to get the negitives developed & figure how to post them. In the mean time I'm all ears and eyes, taking it all in.
Bobbin & Weavin

B&W, I'm looking forward to seeing those photos. I've been very busy in recent weeks and hardly have time to post here, and this is why I haven't yet contacted Ray Lunney III. I promise I will do so, however, and see if he'll drop in here to visit with us. Like all boxers, I know Ray will enjoy remeniscing about his time in boxing, which was a very special time. By the way, I have a copy of a 30 min. student film that a friend of mine produced in 1971 while attending film school up north. My friend is a major producer today, however, while attending school up in the Bay area, he chose to make a film about a young boxer, and that was Ray Lunney III. Shot in B&W 16mm, he actually did one helluva job. When we met last year, and he learned that I'd been in a boxer, he asked if I'd ever heard of Ray. From that, he gave me a DVD of the student film he did on Lunney thirty-six years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I believe I sent a copy of it to my partner Dan Hanley, because it had some interesting gym shots taken in a couple of places, one was the Newman-Herman Gym, where Ray sparred with a guy I used to spar with here in L.A., Raul "Lobito" Montoya. Anyway, it's great to have you a part of this forum, because you know boxing as we do.

-Rick

Rick, when I found the negitives of Foreman I was pleasantly surprised to see that I had shot two rolls of Big George training in Newman & Herman's & two rolls of him training across the bay at a closed training camp they had set up to train for the Ali fight. I can view the pictures a little becasue I have proof sheets & I can see I took some pictures of Jim Brown doing some TV work for ABC at the training camp. I also took a picture of Billy Newman sitting in his office at the gym that I will share too.

I would love to see that documentry your friend made about Ray. I am a little surprised you hadn't run across Ray earlier because if I had to guess you two are about the same age & if I remember correctly Ray won the 1969 National AAU tournament in the 125LBS. & I think you said you had been in the National Golden Gloves tournament that same year. I have some super eight footage of me boxing with Ray at the PAL gym which I treasure & my father is going to transfer it to DVD soon. If you do talk to Ray tell him Bruce Smith says hi.
I'm not sure I know boxing like you do but I do know this, it's in my blood, there is something about it I know will never change.
Bobbin & Weavin[/quote]


B&W . . . Ray and I are nearly the same age (he's a year older) and both turned pro about the same time. Also, I competed in the '69 Nat'l AAU tourney, representing the Southern Pacific team in the flyweight division. The tourney was held at the San Diego International Sports Arena in April 1969. Other National AAU champs that year who became world title challenging pros were heavyweight Earnie Shavers and Armando Muniz. Ray and I had met years earlier up north, and when we hooked up again recently, we had a lot to talk about. Ray KOed my amigo Frankie Crawford and whipped a few other L.A. guys I was close to. Ray is a class act and I will defintily tell him Bruce Smith says Hello.

-Rick[/quote]

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Carlos Santana

"Santana"

By Diego

Love that picture of Carlos.
My favorite Santana tune.
Samba Pa Ti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSECQtF58BU

Pug,
When i was a teenager,going to TJ was like going to the Casbah. Take it back. Tijuana had everything the Casbah had and more. One thing they had was Carlos Santana.

Carlos grew up in TJ in a musical family. Nothing big,but his father and uncles were musicians. Often they were street musicians. You still see many street musicians in TJ. They play everywhere. On buses,on corners,walk in and out of the cantinas. You know they've entered because someone is pounding a tambora or noodling on a sax.

Carlos started out though selling chiclets on the street corners. At the end of the day he'd give the money to his parents. Carlos was sour on schools,so he took up the guitar playing with his father and uncles. When rock and roll started fusing into more of a metal electric sound ,Carlos began playing in the cantinas. In those days it was a band that played while the girls danced on stage. I remember his group at the Convoy Club on Revolution Street. But I wasn't there necessarily to listen to music. Only what was dancing to it. Those clubs didn't close until morning and then the band and the girls would go out to breakfast. Go to bed.wake up in the late afternoon and begin over again.

After those gigs ,Carlos played in a club that was exclusively for dancing,Mike's Bar. There weren't many of those type of clubs back then. To be honest, to ask a girl out and say we're going to TJ to dance wouldn't get many nibbles. Tj was a town for guys looking for a good time. TJ changed,at least Revolution Street. They cleaned up the street. Tried to attract tourists. The cantinas closed and gave way to gift shops. The den of sin was still the traditional "Coahuila" which still exists,but it is primarily for Mexican men. It always has been. More down home. Revolution street was for the white guys.

I have an article,an interview with Santana reflecting his life as a kid in TJ. The struggles. The life in the cantinas. He said he understood the value of women working in those places. The girls,he said,didn't do it for the sex,but because they had kids to feed and no means of support. He said some of those girls had more style than royalty. As far as selling chiclets on the corner. Carlos said if you see one of those kids,buy some gum. They're probably going to turn the money over to their parents to try to help their families.

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Tony "The Tiger" Baltazar

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Juan Estrada, father of Olympic boxer Shawn Estrada, dies

Estrada, a former boxer himself, survived heart and kidney problems long enough to watch his son's first-round bout on TV. But he missed the second bout, and died early today.

From a Times Staff Writer
August 18, 2008

Juan Estrada, a 64-year-old garment cutter and former boxer who realized the dream of seeing his son Shawn become an Olympic boxer, died early today at St. Vincent Medical Center.

Estrada, who was the subject of Times stories by sportswriter Kevin Baxter and columnist Steve Lopez, watched with pride about a week ago when Shawn, 23, easily won his first fight in Beijing against an Argentine. Estrada had hoped to travel to Beijing with his son, but his failing health kept him home in Maywood.

Estrada was hospitalized Thursday with worsening heart and kidney problems but held out the hope of seeing his son's second-round fight on TV in the early morning hours Saturday. He was in grave condition, though, and missed the fight. His wife, Sandy, stood at his bedside and held his hand while their son was in the ring, where he lost his fight, ending his Olympic run.

As long ago as January, doctors told Estrada that he had very little time left. But Estrada said he was fighting to stay alive so he could see his son box, even as Shawn said he was fighting for his father in Beijing.

Juan Estrada's wife, three daughters, two sisters and a brother were with him when he died. Today, as the family began making funeral arrangements, Shawn Estrada was making arrangements to return home from Beijing.

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Juan Estrada, father of Olympic boxer Shawn Estrada, dies

Estrada, a former boxer himself, survived heart and kidney problems long enough to watch his son's first-round bout on TV. But he missed the second bout, and died early today.

From a Times Staff Writer
August 18, 2008

Juan Estrada, a 64-year-old garment cutter and former boxer who realized the dream of seeing his son Shawn become an Olympic boxer, died early today at St. Vincent Medical Center.

Estrada, who was the subject of Times stories by sportswriter Kevin Baxter and columnist Steve Lopez, watched with pride about a week ago when Shawn, 23, easily won his first fight in Beijing against an Argentine. Estrada had hoped to travel to Beijing with his son, but his failing health kept him home in Maywood.

Estrada was hospitalized Thursday with worsening heart and kidney problems but held out the hope of seeing his son's second-round fight on TV in the early morning hours Saturday. He was in grave condition, though, and missed the fight. His wife, Sandy, stood at his bedside and held his hand while their son was in the ring, where he lost his fight, ending his Olympic run.

As long ago as January, doctors told Estrada that he had very little time left. But Estrada said he was fighting to stay alive so he could see his son box, even as Shawn said he was fighting for his father in Beijing.

Juan Estrada's wife, three daughters, two sisters and a brother were with him when he died. Today, as the family began making funeral arrangements, Shawn Estrada was making arrangements to return home from Beijing.

Nice post Frank. Thanks for sharing. Stuff like this that's drawing people's attention to the thread.

[bennie]

Juan Estrada, father of Olympic boxer Shawn Estrada, dies

Estrada, a former boxer himself, survived heart and kidney problems long enough to watch his son's first-round bout on TV. But he missed the second bout, and died early today.

From a Times Staff Writer
August 18, 2008

Juan Estrada, a 64-year-old garment cutter and former boxer who realized the dream of seeing his son Shawn become an Olympic boxer, died early today at St. Vincent Medical Center.

Estrada, who was the subject of Times stories by sportswriter Kevin Baxter and columnist Steve Lopez, watched with pride about a week ago when Shawn, 23, easily won his first fight in Beijing against an Argentine. Estrada had hoped to travel to Beijing with his son, but his failing health kept him home in Maywood.

Estrada was hospitalized Thursday with worsening heart and kidney problems but held out the hope of seeing his son's second-round fight on TV in the early morning hours Saturday. He was in grave condition, though, and missed the fight. His wife, Sandy, stood at his bedside and held his hand while their son was in the ring, where he lost his fight, ending his Olympic run.

As long ago as January, doctors told Estrada that he had very little time left. But Estrada said he was fighting to stay alive so he could see his son box, even as Shawn said he was fighting for his father in Beijing.

Juan Estrada's wife, three daughters, two sisters and a brother were with him when he died. Today, as the family began making funeral arrangements, Shawn Estrada was making arrangements to return home from Beijing.

All rather distressing. I seem to recall Howard Davis losing his mum just before the '76 Olympics and using it as a spur to win the gold. At least Mr Estrada got to see his son win a bout.

[bennie]

Tony "The Tiger" Baltazar

You know, I can still visualize a picture of Howard Davis sprawled on his back near the ropes following one of Tony's big left hooks.

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Tony "The Tiger" Baltazar

You know, I can still visualize a picture of Howard Davis sprawled on his back near the ropes following one of Tony's big left hooks.

Twice Bennie, Twice!!...

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Dear Rick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozMm2xeg2_Q
Here's a classic! Ceferino Garcia vs Henry Armstrong - Part 1 Garcia is a long forgotten fighter and Pinoy great! Armstrong .... well ... Armstrong was Armstrong! What can one say!

Best regards,


John A. Bardelli

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More pics. from diego


Mexican street musicians in the Mercado.


The local drug store.


Traffic jam

[dagosd2000]

Classic West Coast Boxing. We're having a cruise. A flow. A happy place. Where did it begin? The pictures I've been sending Frank are representative of where the names of the Mexican fighters germinated. Trace the names of the Gato's,the Bolanos',the Olivares'. The Chicano fighters:Aragon,Chacon,Mando,and our Baltazars. Go further back for them. Oh maybe they're Tejanos or Californios,but it was Mexico then. Nothing cosmopolitan about it. Rural. Country. Ranchos. Corn. Horses. Look at that picture of that father putting his hand around his daughters' shoulder. Working hands. Strong. Calloused. Those are the hands of people who who work hard,and then at the end of the day they enjoy life. Eating,dancing,family.

When I talk to Gato,he remembers those rural areas where he and his uncles and cousins grew up.Sleeping 4 or 5 in a bed. Hand me down closes. People worked hard,but there was plenty of tortillas and beans.

OK,you want to try something else?Rise above. For many Mexican boys it was fighting. Not much in the amateurs,but their amateur experience was fighting in the streets.Having to fight the bigger kid. Gato told me he was 15 when he fought against his first opponent in jiquilpan. The guy was 22 and more experienced. So you want get off the ranch and be a fighter? Maybe a champion? Maybe the rancho ain't so bad.

But it originated here in little pueblos with Indian names that the Chilangos can't pronounce. A day when Mexico had more registered fighters than any country in the world. A boxing gym in every village.

Now a young kid thinks of maybe selling drugs. Don't have to do roadwork for that. I'll stay with the Gato's and the rest of the people ,who without their lineage,this thread would have died months ago.

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Mario Moreno


"Cantinflas". The little funny man who loved Mexico's poor,and they loved him. RIP Amigo.

By Diego

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Photos by diego


The Guadalupe Church and park. A block from our house.


The open markets in the morning. No super markets here.


The plaza in the afternoon

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Spanish bullfighter Diego Urdiales is thrown by the bull during the Semana Grande Festival in San Sebastian, Spain.

[dagosd2000]

Spanish bullfighter Diego Urdiales is thrown by the bull during the Semana Grande Festival in San Sebastian, Spain.

Great shot Frank. I'm always pulling for the bull.

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Spanish bullfighter Diego Urdiales is thrown by the bull during the Semana Grande Festival in San Sebastian, Spain.

Great shot Frank. I'm always pulling for the bull.

So am I....

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