Boxrec Hall of Fame Results (August 2008)

[Ambling Alp]

It's official! Three new fighters were voted into the prestigous Boxrec Hall of Fame.
They are:
Nicolino Locche
Manuel Ortiz
John L. Sullivan

13 members voted. 9 votes were necessary to be voted in.

A rundown of the vote totals:

9 Votes
Nicolino Locche
Manuel Ortiz
John L. Sullivan

8 Votes
George Dixon

7 Votes
Ted Kid Lewis
Tony Zale

6 Votes
Jack Britton
Flash Elorde
Gene Fullmer
Beau Jack
Bob Montgomery
Luis Rodriguez
Vincente Saldivar
Jem Driscoll

5 Votes
Joe Brown
Johnny Kilbane
Lloyd Marshall
Holman Williams
Antonio Cervantes
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Pancho Villa
Peter Jackson
Joe Jeanette
Jersey Joe Walcott

4 Votes
Miguel Canto
Joey Giardello
Kid McCoy
Eusebio Pedroza
Aaron Pryor
James J. Corbett
Battling Nelson
Victor Galindez
Fritzie Zivic
Tom Sharkey
Jack Kid Berg
Floyd Patterson

3 Votes
Freddie Welsh
Jimmy Barry
Young Corbett III
Jack Dillon
Tommy Gibbons
Fidel LaBarba
Freddie Steele
Young Stribling
Freddie Miller
Joey Archer
Jimmy Bivins

2 Votes
Sammy Angott
Midget Wolgast
Rodrigo Valdez
Jose Caratolli
Jorge Fernandez
Willie Joyce
Baby Arizmendi
Danny Lopez
Carlos Palomino
Jimmy Coulon
Esteban DeJesus
Frankie Genaro
Jack MacAuliffe
Jack Delaney
Pete Herman
fred Apostoli
Battling Battalino
Lou Brouillard
Ken Norton
Billy Petrolle
Harry Wills
Sammy Mandell

1 Vote
Sugar Ramos
Mike Gibbons
Young Griffo
John Henry Lewis
Owen Moran
Kid Norfolk
Arturo Godoy
Ismael Laguna
Eduardo Lausse
Rafael Merentino
Mauro Mina
Memphis Pal Moore
Tommy Paul
Angel Rodriguez
Justo Saurez
Jose Torres
Billy Graham
Ace Hudkins
Eddie Perkins
Ad Wolgast
Ken Buchanan
Jungkoo Chang
Hilario Zapata
Joe Choynski
Dixie Kid
Mike Donovan
Johnny Dundee
Kid Lavigne
Billy Smith
Kid Williams
Eddie Booker
Jeff Clark
Jackie Fields
Benny Lynch
Joey Maxim
Fred Klaus
Teddy Yarosz

Thanks to Seamus,Ezzard,Martin sosa Cameron,Expug,Taverner, Raylaw, Minotauro, Elmer Salsa, Giocominio, Sockdolager,Boxbuzz, and My2 Sense for voting. It was interesting.

Comments are welcome.

[Seamus]

Good job Alp. Couldn't help noticing though, that you have Battling Nelson listed with 4 votes and then under 1 vote.

[Seamus]

Hate to be a nitpicker again, but I believe you and I both picked Sammy Mandell.

[Ambling Alp]

Thanks Seamus. I changed both of them. It was a little more difficult to total up this time. There was a record 107 fighters that got atleast one vote! Last time there was only 85. The time before that, there was only 73.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

It was excellent, as all the votes, as always

It's very good the crescendo of the fighters voted

Thanks all the voters, especially Ambling, Seamus, Raylawpc, Ezzard, Expug, Giacomino and BoxBuzz

It's a very good new to have Nicolino Locche, Manuel Ortiz and John L. Sullivan in the HOF!

I proud in the next to see boys like Jose Carattoli, Jorge Fernandez, Battling Battalino, Sixto Escobar and others

[sockdolager]

Thanks Seamus. I changed both of them. It was a little more difficult to total up this time. There was a record 107 fighters that got atleast one vote! Last time there was only 85. The time before that, there was only 73.

From here on out there will be a lot of guys with one vote. That is good though, many different opinions and evey one is an advertisement for future ballots.

I can't help but feel responsible for George Dixon not making it.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Now, George Dixon obtained 8 votes, in the next he may be in the HOF

[elmersalsa]

None of the ones I voted or selected were in?
I hope some of them are in NEXT TIME.

[My2Sense]

It's official! Three new fighters were voted into the prestigous Boxrec Hall of Fame.
They are:
Nicolino Locche
Manuel Ortiz
John L. Sullivan

Damn, only three got in one?!

Crap, this is one strict Hall of Fame! It's even stricter than the real HOF!

Next time there is a vote, I'm going to lobby vigrously for Lloyd Marshall and Bat Battalino. 8)

[kikibalt]

How do you get to vote?

[My2Sense]

How do you get to vote?

In this thread here: http://forum.boxrec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87231

[Minotauro]

I wanted Holman Williams to get in.

[Ambling Alp]

Just thought I would tally the Fighters that have been elected by weight class:

Heavyweight (11)
Lightheavyweight (9)
Middleweight (14)
Jr Middleweight (1)
Welterweight (10)
Jr Welterweight (2)
Lightweight (8)
Jr Lightweight (1)
Featherweight (6)
Jr Featherweight (1)
Bantamweight (6)
Super Flyweight (1)
Flyweight (2)

There have been a total of 72 fighters elected so far. Of course many fighters fought in multiple weight classes so I had to make some judgement calls regarding which weight class to place them in. Nevertheless, I think this gives us a good idea.

Of course the "Jr" Weight classes haven't been around as long and often fighters haven't stayed at them for long anyway.

Does it look like we are representing the various weight classes fairly?

[My2Sense]

Does it look like we are representing the various weight classes fairly?

All except flyweight, perhaps.

As you said, the junior/super weight classes haven't been around for nearly as long, so they figure to have less.

[Ezzard]

Just thought I would tally the Fighters that have been elected by weight class:

Heavyweight (11)
Lightheavyweight (9)
Middleweight (14)
Jr Middleweight (1)
Welterweight (10)
Jr Welterweight (2)
Lightweight (8)
Jr Lightweight (1)
Featherweight (6)
Jr Featherweight (1)
Bantamweight (6)
Super Flyweight (1)
Flyweight (2)

There have been a total of 72 fighters elected so far. Of course many fighters fought in multiple weight classes so I had to make some judgement calls regarding which weight class to place them in. Nevertheless, I think this gives us a good idea.

Of course the "Jr" Weight classes haven't been around as long and often fighters haven't stayed at them for long anyway.

Does it look like we are representing the various weight classes fairly?

Alp, it's great that you do this... I would like to make a request. In future when you list those already in could you please list all members in their weight divisions rather than alphabetically? It would really help with making selections. Hope this sin't going to be a problem. Big thanks again.

[Ezzard]

Kid Lewis got 7 votes to Britton's 6... Seems that Ted is getting the better of their latest rivalry...

[UpWithEvil]

Kid Lewis got 7 votes to Britton's 6... Seems that Ted is getting the better of their latest rivalry...

Yeah, but neither Lewis nor Kid Berg were voted in. I blame antisemitism!

[Seamus]

Not a good argument. We voted Benny Leonard, Barney Ross and Abe Attell in sometime ago. On the other hand, we've only got 2 Asians. I've had Pancho Villa on my last several ballots for.

[Ambling Alp]

Just thought I would tally the Fighters that have been elected by weight class:

Heavyweight (11)
Lightheavyweight (9)
Middleweight (14)
Jr Middleweight (1)
Welterweight (10)
Jr Welterweight (2)
Lightweight (8)
Jr Lightweight (1)
Featherweight (6)
Jr Featherweight (1)
Bantamweight (6)
Super Flyweight (1)
Flyweight (2)

There have been a total of 72 fighters elected so far. Of course many fighters fought in multiple weight classes so I had to make some judgement calls regarding which weight class to place them in. Nevertheless, I think this gives us a good idea.

Of course the "Jr" Weight classes haven't been around as long and often fighters haven't stayed at them for long anyway.

Does it look like we are representing the various weight classes fairly?

Alp, it's great that you do this... I would like to make a request. In future when you list those already in could you please list all members in their weight divisions rather than alphabetically? It would really help with making selections. Hope this sin't going to be a problem. Big thanks again.

Yes, I can do that next time. Remind me if I forget.

As for the weight classes, I think it's a little surprising that there isn't an overabundance of heavyweights elected. (There are actually more middleweights that have been elected.)
It's seems like we spend atleast 75% of our time talking about heavyweights.
When we first started this Hall of Fame, my first concern was that half of the guys elected would be heavyweights.

Perhaps it's because heavyweights get held up to more scrutiny? I mean they get bashed more frequently as well. People seldom rip many fighters in smaller weight classes.

As for the flyweights, well I guess that's not too surprising that only two have made it. They have never got much recognition. I don't think I have ever seen a Flyweight fight on "ESPN Classic" or see as flyweight fight on TV nowadays for that matter. Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson used to be on HBO once in awhile and was a great little fighter. However, that has been the exception to the rule.

Who knows, perhaps great flyweights like Pancho Villa, Fidel LaBarba or Miguel Canto will get elected soon.

It is nice to see that a decent number of bantamweights,featherweights,lightweights, and welterweights that have been elected.

[man]

ortiz? really?

[Ambling Alp]

I think some people are fooled by the amount of his losses. Almost all were either early in his career (He was thrown to the wolves) or when he well past his best at the end of his career.

He had 34 wins over Top 10 Opponents.
Ortiz defended his title 15 times before finally losing it. Then he defended it
another time 5 times in his 2nd reign as champion.

[wsbuf]

First time i really paid attention to this. Seems very interesting. Can't wait until next month.

[man]

I think some people are fooled by the amount of his losses. Almost all were either early in his career (He was thrown to the wolves) or when he well past his best at the end of his career.

He had 34 wins over Top 10 Opponents.
Ortiz defended his title 15 times before finally losing it. Then he defended it
another time 5 times in his 2nd reign as champion.

yeah, from the record it looked like that. many early losses, many late
losses, yet he did not fight that long. but ring time is different. thnx
for the clarification.