Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

Did he! That's interesting, Rick. 8)

Bennie, Frankie and Ruben only fought once, and thats the time that Rick was talking about, at that point in time Frankie was way ahead of Ruben in boxing experience that to make the fight I had to promise that Frankie would take it easy on Ruben, Frankie won that fight easy.
Now as pros. who would have won? hard to say, both were good pros, Ruben fought more name fighters then Frankie did and got more exposer then Frankie on T.V fights for sure, but Frankie was a very good fighter who happened to be a southpaw who nobody wanted to fight, it was hard getting big name fighters to fight him, even Joe Ponce, Bobby Chacon's manager turn Frankie down for Bobby before Frankie's fight with Limon.

[kikibalt]

Laying in bed, feeling little under the weather, watching the Little League Baseball World Series
game between Japan and Mexico, now, I'm not a baseball fan, but I do watch the LLWS every year.

[kikibalt]

Mexico just won the game, going to the championship game tomorrow (Sunday)

[Rick Farris]

I lived in E.L.A. and I know of some great Mexcian restaurants, but I'm not feeling to good to name any right now......

Frank

Just brought my oldest grandaughter home from the hospital last night. Poor thing lost her baby. Had to remove some stuff inside.Everyone is praying they can have another child. They want a son to be little brother to their daughter. Her husband and all of us are a bit down. She's staying with "Abuelita"(my wife). Wants "Menudo con Pata". Give me your address. I'l send some up to you Express Mail. Diego

Roger, I'm so sorry your grandaughter lost her baby. I'll pray for her and her husband.

-Rick

[Rick Farris]

Did he! That's interesting, Frankie.[/quote]

I Didn't say that..... [/quote][/quote]

I said it, Bennie. It's true. From the time Ruben & Frankie Jr. were children, Frankie dominated him. Styles make fights, and Frankie "owned" Ruben inside the ropes. A match between Frankie Jr. and the great Alexis Arguello at 130 lbs. would have been a hard one to pick. I'm not just saying this to patronize our amigo Frank Sr. I'm speaking truthfully, and those most familiar with both fighters, as I was, would agree. Arguello didn't match well with southpaws, and was a sucker for a right hook (just check his fight with Andy Ganigan). Frankie Jr. was deadly accurate with that shot and it would have spelled trouble for Alexis.

-Rick

[dagosd2000]

I lived in E.L.A. and I know of some great Mexcian restaurants, but I'm not feeling to good to name any right now......

Frank

Just brought my oldest grandaughter home from the hospital last night. Poor thing lost her baby. Had to remove some stuff inside.Everyone is praying they can have another child. They want a son to be little brother to their daughter. Her husband and all of us are a bit down. She's staying with "Abuelita"(my wife). Wants "Menudo con Pata". Give me your address. I'l send some up to you Express Mail. Diego

Roger, I'm so sorry your grandaughter lost her baby. I'll pray for her and her husband.

-Rick

Thanks Slugger

[Rick Farris]

U.S. boxing team had little punch
Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times

By Mike Downey, Chicago Tribune
August 23, 2008

BEIJING -- Oh, how Howard Cosell would mock this.

Having followed the halcyon days of Cassius and Smokin' Joe and Big George and the young Sugar Ray, how it would have pained the perspicacious Howard to watch these pusillanimous pugilists of our 2008 U.S. Olympic boxing team land with a thud and a dud.

The latest and last victim was our flamingo-legged heavyweight, Deontay Wilder, who brought literal meaning to "never laid a glove on him" in Friday's listless loss to Italy's Clemente Russo, thereby knocking the entire U.S. boxing team out of Beijing's ring.

Although he earned a bronze medal just by showing up, Wilder's failure meant that for the first time in 112 years of Olympic boxing, the Americans would go down for the medal count without so much as a single gold or silver.

I haven't seen a fight club that deserves to be talked about so little since that one with Brad Pitt.


In my pidgin Italian, I did ask the rock-jawed Russo after the so-called fight what he thought of his worthy opponent.

"I am surprised that the United States has just one man with a medal," the Italian stallion said. "And even he is not so good."

Ouch. One last jab.

A lucky tap and a generous judge in the last 10 seconds of a four-round fight gave Wilder a point that prevented a shutout. The score went down in the Olympic record books as 7-1 and made it look as if this tall drink of water from Alabama actually landed a punch.

Hagler-Hearns, this wasn't.

Wilder is a 6-foot-7, 190-pound palooka from Tuscaloosa who is built more like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar than like Muhammad Ali.

I mean, he seems like a sweet kid and all, and he has an adorable daughter with a horrible malady (spina bifida), but if this dude is a heavyweight contender, I'm Mrs. Don King. I can't imagine watching this rope-thin 22-year-old inflict pain on a Mike Tyson or a Lennox Lewis if he smacked either one of them on the jaw with a George Foreman grill.

"It's all about having fun, man," Wilder summed things up after his loss, which gives you a pretty good idea of how ferocious an individual he is.

China has pandas less docile.

And yet, of our Olympians, he was the best we had, our lonesome medalist. I hope the team members were able to shop for a few souvenirs. They won't be bringing much else back with them to the States, other than duffel bags filled with used mouthpieces and a bunch of weak excuses that involved blaming their coaches or the judges.

Boxing premiered in 1896 and we began throwing our weight around. That goes for little guys like Oliver Kirk, who won two different divisions in 1904, as well as quick lightweights like Oscar De La Hoya, long-armed welterweights like Mark Breland, flashy middleweights like a teenage Floyd Patterson and ruthless light-heavies like a toothless Leon Spinks.

Wilder's arms moved, but his fists did not make contact with his foe's face for any of the first three two-minute rounds. Not until 0:09 remained in Round 4 did the American collect a round of sarcastic cheers from the stands by scoring a point with a punch, although the Italian hardly felt it.

"I score one point in the first round and so it is up to him to come to me," Russo said. "He did not. I thought it would be harder work."

Russo fought in Chicago at the 2007 world championships and beat Russia's Rakhim Chakhkiev by a 6-3 decision for the heavyweight crown. A rematch is coming right up; it is Chakhkiev who now stands between him and Italy's first gold medal in boxing in 20 years.

America might go that long itself if the quality of its team does not improve.

We took eight boxing gold medals in the boycotted 1984 Los Angeles Olympics alone and a very impressive five at Montreal in 1976 when the nasal ringside voice of Cosell declared each and every one of them to be an overnight American idol.

Boxing in Beijing?

Count us out. These were our most limp Olympians yet.

Just what I said in a previous post. The toughness has been squeezed out of the American culture. Without pride and charactor, there is no reason to fight. We have become a nation of bullies and cowards. If not for money and technolocal superiority, we'd be ripe for the taking. Coming from a family that proudly served and lost lives in every American conflict from WWI thru Viet Nam, I'm ashamed to that I'm embarrassed to be an American in this century. What I saw in that semi-final bout between the U.S. and Italy was the last Olympic boxing match I shall ever watch. By the way, the Italian who outscored the Yank was a joke himself, however, at the end of the bout the joke was on America, but I assure you I wasn't laughing.

-Rick

[Expug]

U.S. boxing team had little punch
Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times

By Mike Downey, Chicago Tribune
August 23, 2008

BEIJING -- Oh, how Howard Cosell would mock this.

Having followed the halcyon days of Cassius and Smokin' Joe and Big George and the young Sugar Ray, how it would have pained the perspicacious Howard to watch these pusillanimous pugilists of our 2008 U.S. Olympic boxing team land with a thud and a dud.

The latest and last victim was our flamingo-legged heavyweight, Deontay Wilder, who brought literal meaning to "never laid a glove on him" in Friday's listless loss to Italy's Clemente Russo, thereby knocking the entire U.S. boxing team out of Beijing's ring.

Although he earned a bronze medal just by showing up, Wilder's failure meant that for the first time in 112 years of Olympic boxing, the Americans would go down for the medal count without so much as a single gold or silver.

I haven't seen a fight club that deserves to be talked about so little since that one with Brad Pitt.


In my pidgin Italian, I did ask the rock-jawed Russo after the so-called fight what he thought of his worthy opponent.

"I am surprised that the United States has just one man with a medal," the Italian stallion said. "And even he is not so good."

Ouch. One last jab.

A lucky tap and a generous judge in the last 10 seconds of a four-round fight gave Wilder a point that prevented a shutout. The score went down in the Olympic record books as 7-1 and made it look as if this tall drink of water from Alabama actually landed a punch.

Hagler-Hearns, this wasn't.

Wilder is a 6-foot-7, 190-pound palooka from Tuscaloosa who is built more like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar than like Muhammad Ali.

I mean, he seems like a sweet kid and all, and he has an adorable daughter with a horrible malady (spina bifida), but if this dude is a heavyweight contender, I'm Mrs. Don King. I can't imagine watching this rope-thin 22-year-old inflict pain on a Mike Tyson or a Lennox Lewis if he smacked either one of them on the jaw with a George Foreman grill.

"It's all about having fun, man," Wilder summed things up after his loss, which gives you a pretty good idea of how ferocious an individual he is.

China has pandas less docile.

And yet, of our Olympians, he was the best we had, our lonesome medalist. I hope the team members were able to shop for a few souvenirs. They won't be bringing much else back with them to the States, other than duffel bags filled with used mouthpieces and a bunch of weak excuses that involved blaming their coaches or the judges.

Boxing premiered in 1896 and we began throwing our weight around. That goes for little guys like Oliver Kirk, who won two different divisions in 1904, as well as quick lightweights like Oscar De La Hoya, long-armed welterweights like Mark Breland, flashy middleweights like a teenage Floyd Patterson and ruthless light-heavies like a toothless Leon Spinks.

Wilder's arms moved, but his fists did not make contact with his foe's face for any of the first three two-minute rounds. Not until 0:09 remained in Round 4 did the American collect a round of sarcastic cheers from the stands by scoring a point with a punch, although the Italian hardly felt it.

"I score one point in the first round and so it is up to him to come to me," Russo said. "He did not. I thought it would be harder work."

Russo fought in Chicago at the 2007 world championships and beat Russia's Rakhim Chakhkiev by a 6-3 decision for the heavyweight crown. A rematch is coming right up; it is Chakhkiev who now stands between him and Italy's first gold medal in boxing in 20 years.

America might go that long itself if the quality of its team does not improve.

We took eight boxing gold medals in the boycotted 1984 Los Angeles Olympics alone and a very impressive five at Montreal in 1976 when the nasal ringside voice of Cosell declared each and every one of them to be an overnight American idol.

Boxing in Beijing?

Count us out. These were our most limp Olympians yet.

Just what I said in a previous post. The toughness has been squeezed out of the American culture. Without pride and charactor, there is no reason to fight. We have become a nation of bullies and cowards. If not for money and technolocal superiority, we'd be ripe for the taking. Coming from a family that proudly served and lost lives in every American conflict from WWI thru Viet Nam, I'm ashamed to that I'm embarrassed to be an American in this century. What I saw in that semi-final bout between the U.S. and Italy was the last Olympic boxing match I shall ever watch. By the way, the Italian who outscored the Yank was a joke himself, however, at the end of the bout the joke was on America, but I assure you I wasn't laughing.

-Rick

What a joke,that "fighter" said its all about having fun man.
I could go on and on about this kinda crap.
Rick, I agree with you.
The pussification of our culture continues.
I went with my son the other day to a meeting with other parents and my sons football coach.
My sons in 5th grade.
The coach goes on and on with some bullshit about how he doesnt care if they win or lose every game as long as the kids learn and have fun.
I took my son aside later and told him," you try your hardest every play,"and do your best to win every game.And if you see your teamates loafing, grab them by the collar and tell them they had better give it there all or they are gonna answer to you.
This coach isnt helping prepare these kids for what lies ahead in the real world.
In the real world, there is a winner and a loser. People should be rewarded for success.
His attitude breeds lazziness and complacency.
As you guys know, I coach Judo.Ive competed in it and have trained and fought many Eastern Europeans. Particularly Russians.
You wouldnt believe how rough these guys are. There freakin beasts.They dont complain about shit. They will tear an arm off .Political correctness is unheard of.What matters is kicking ass , being a freakin man.
The Russian parents of the kids that are participating in sports here DO NOT subscribe to the everyone gets a trophy, lets not offend anybody who loses , lets not hurt feelings school of thought.Maybe after they have been here longer they will get indoctrinated into this, but I dont see it right now.
I dont know what happened to American culture in this regard, but I see alot of physical and mental SOFTNESS all over the place.

[Rick Farris]

Some Trivia . . .

For some reason, when I think of our pal Dagos, the late Rocky Marciano comes to mind. Both are Italian-Americans, and both have an imposing presence with a warmth about them. We all know the the Rock was never beaten in 49 fights, and won 43 of them by knockout. Only six of Rocky's fights went the distance, and only five men can claim to have taken Rocky to the final bell. One of them, did it twice. Who was it? Ez Charles? La Starza? NO. It was "Tiger" Ted Lowry of Rhode Island.

This "forgotten" contender not only remained on his feet against the Rock in two bouts, he was standing at the final bell, both times. Now if you think that Lowry must have been a rock-chinned catcher that took a beating from Rocky, study the bouts, and you'll discover that most thought Lowry whipped Marciano fair & square in the first match. The newspapers all had Ted winning the first bout by a margin of 6-4 after ten rounds. When they fought again, Lowry concededs that Marciano deserved the nod.

I can't tell you about Ted Lowry like the guy who taught me, John Bardelli, but John did more than provide documented history, he literally shared a recorded telephone conversation, an intervew, he had with Lowry a few years back.

If you look at Ted's record of over a hundred fights, you'll see that he fought a "who's who" of boxing greats, including another Italian legend, Joey Maxim. In the Maxim bout, Ted was promised a title fight if he carried Maxim thru the final bell. The result was a disputed decision loss and, of course, no title shot. When you see the number of losses on Ted's record one of "today's" so-called "experts" might think Ted was a loser. But they don't understand the bigger picture of Ted's era. Sometimes you just had to play ball with the powers that be, if you didn't you would be black balled and not be able to fight against anybody, or anywhere. The people who ran boxing in those days had a long reach, and called shots in boxing worldwide.

But let's get back to Lowry, now well into his eighties, still living in his native Rhode Island, and still living boxing, now as a trainer, one who teaches amateurs. His mind? Well, after all those fights in such a tough era, against so many greats, his mind must be a little soft, wouldn't you think? Well, like the great Archie Moore before his death, Ted Lowry is as sharp as a tack, and his recall is brilliant.

Such a warm individual I listened to, as John Bardelli replayed his recorded interview of Lowry to me. John Bardelli is a true historian, one who knows boxing from it's roots, the son of Hall of Fame light-heavyweight Young Firpo, (Guido Bardelli). I won't attempt to share all I heard that day, but it was certainly an education of boxing from that great era, an education from "the inside".

Frank, I must once again impose upon you to do us a favor here and ask if you'll post the record of "Tiger" Ted Lowry. You raised a Tiger yourself, one that became a contender. It would be fun to checkout the fights of another Tiger, from an earlier era.

-Rick Farris

[dagosd2000]

Rick and Pug
The last fight I went to was a few years ago at the Pachanga Indian Reservation near here. That's about the closest places for a boxing card anymore. The Indian Reservations. They've got the gambling and the resort,and once in a while to spook things up,they have a card.

Guys, it was only a short time back,but I can't remember who fought the main event. I talked a friend into going,but he was more interested in the gambling aspect. I wanted to settle down for some good boxing matches.

Joe Frazier was sitting ringside.I remember before the first bout they called him up into the ring. He looked good,heavy of course,but looked like Smokin' Joe. Tough and a man. The prelims were average,and then they had the girls. I'm not fond of watching women fight each other,but women seem to always put their pride on the line. These gals,though sloppy,tore into each other. That was the bout I remember the most.

When the main event came around,they called Joe Frazier up into the ring again. I don't know if he didn't hear his name or if he'd had too much to drink,but he never responded. I saw that he was drinking heavily. A lot of fans came up to him during the fights before the main event. Couldn't catch what the conversation was about,but I noticed Frazier never looked at anyone who came up to him nor shook hands. All the time he was talking,he looked straight ahead. I wondered if he was cognizant of what people were taliking to him about. I wasn't even sure who he was with.

Now for the main attraction. These two black fighters start making their walk from the dressing room with the gangster rap music so loud you can't hear yourself think. Each song sounded like a terrorist attack. The announcer introduced them. All I remember was the nicknames. One was "The Silencer." The other was the "Sleeper." Well they could have called both of these characters "The Sleeper" because of all the bullshit they brought into the squared circle. Dancing,feignting,cute little hip shakes. A stare. A tongue sticking out. One would get close,slap a few fast ones,and either dance away or fall into a dance hold. Ten rounds of that. All I can remember of those two were the trunks. Glittery,Spangles,spots,slits up the sides. I bet both those guys spent more time designing their apparell than training how to fight. It got so bad that I made up my mind to study their faces so I'd never forget what they looked like. The next day I couldn't pick one of them out if they were in a line up. A blind man could heve done better than me.

I don't know who won,but when the bell rang after ten,thay were leaping on top of the ring ropes and their handlers were carrying them around the ring. Seriously though, while I steadily lost interest in the fight,I started to look around the outdoor arena. No one was mesmerized by the fight. A lot of people dressed to the nines like this was Ali/Frazier One. People out of their seats. A lot of drinkers including Smokin' Joe. Even the ring card girls were out in left field. After one of the rounds one of them forgot to get into the ring and wiggle her ass around with the round card. No one said anything to her. My friend said he'd meet me in the casino after a few rounds and I can't say I blamed him.

As I lost interest,I thought of all the fights I saw in TJ,the Coliseum,the Olympic. Great action fights with both boys letting it all out. Wanting it real bad. No second chances for guys that kept losing. Money being thrown into the ring. Fans standing for minutes applauding and screaming. Fights that were never on TV. Never at a resort. Only the small enthusiastic fans saw and experienced the action. Forgotten fighters. Maybe. Forgotten fights. Perhaps. But after that night at Pachanga,I started to think of those battle royals in those tank towns and worn out arenas. My memory started coming to life again.

After the main event was over,one of the charlatans went over to Joe Frazier to say something to him. Joe kept looking straight ahead. He was talking to himself it looked like. Frazier never saw the guy.

[kikibalt]

Here you're, Rick

Ted Lowry

Alias Tiger Lowry
Country USA
Global Id 12207
Hometown New Bedford, MA
Birthplace New Bedford, MA, USA
Division Heavyweight
Born 1920-01-01
Height 178cm


Career Record © www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1955-07-18 Johnny Hoye Brockton, USA L PTS 10
1955-05-05 Bobby Spaeth Dallas, USA L PTS 10
1953-02-24 Cecil Hudson Saint Paul, USA W PTS 10
1953-02-07 Cecil Hudson Spokane, USA L PTS 10
1953-01-30 George Parmentier Boise, USA W PTS 10
1953-01-23 Al Spaulding Walla Walla, USA W KO 6
1953-01-13 Joe Kahut Spokane, USA W RTD 5
1952-09-01 Harry (Kid) Matthews Boise, USA L KO 5
1952-03-06 Joey Maxim Saint Paul, USA L UD 10
1951-11-12 Willie James Boston, USA W TKO 7
1951-08-03 Roland LaStarza Long Beach, USA L UD 10
1951-06-25 Chubby Wright Baltimore, USA L PTS 10
1951-03-19 Cesar Brion Providence, USA L PTS 10
1951-02-12 Jimmy Bivins Baltimore, USA L PTS 10
1951-01-15 Roland LaStarza Providence, USA L PTS 10
1950-11-13 Rocky Marciano Providence, USA L UD 10
1950-08-17 Chubby Wright North Adams, USA L SD 10
1950-08-11 Jimmy Slade North Adams, USA L UD 10
1950-06-13 Maynard Jones New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1950-06-06 Agostinho Guedes New Bedford, USA W TKO 7
1950-04-11 Art Henri New Bedford, USA L UD 10
1950-03-28 Jack Hannan Porter New Bedford, USA W SD 10
1950-02-13 Bernie Reynolds New Haven, USA L PTS 12
1950-01-16 Bernie Reynolds New Haven, USA W PTS 12
1949-11-28 Vern Mitchell New Haven, USA L PTS 10
1949-11-14 Bernie Reynolds New Haven, USA D PTS 10
1949-10-24 Vern Mitchell Toronto, Canada L PTS 10
1949-10-10 Rocky Marciano Providence, USA L UD 10
1949-08-29 Willie Bean West Springfield, USA L PTS 10
1949-07-19 Tommy DiGiorgio USA L PTS 10
1949-06-29 Charley 'Doc' Williams Pittsfield, USA L UD 10
1949-06-06 Jackie Swanson Fort Erie, Canada L PTS 10
1949-04-12 Phil Muscato Buffalo, USA L UD 12
1949-04-04 Rusty Payne Rochester, USA L KO 7
1949-03-15 Roy Thomas New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1949-03-08 Saint Paul New Bedford, USA W RTD 6
1949-01-27 Lee Oma Newark, USA L PTS 10
1949-01-11 Phil Muscato Buffalo, USA L UD 10
1948-12-07 Johnny Flynn Buffalo, USA L PTS 10
1948-11-23 Billy Fox Buffalo, USA W PTS 10
1948-10-26 Billy Fox Buffalo, USA D PTS 10
1948-10-04 Sandy McPherson Providence, USA L UD 10
1948-09-27 Roy Taylor Holyoke, USA W PTS 10
1948-08-23 Vern Mitchell Baltimore, USA L PTS 10
1948-08-02 Archie Moore Baltimore, USA L UD 10
1948-07-27 Mike Jacobs New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1948-07-20 Mike Jacobs New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1948-07-01 Lee Oma Brooklyn, USA D PTS 10
1948-06-16 Eddie Jackson New Bedford, USA W KO 2
1948-05-24 Omelio Agramonte Havana, Cuba L PTS 10
1948-05-10 Billy Grant Holyoke, USA W PTS 10
1948-04-06 Chubby Wright New Haven, USA W KO 7
1948-02-23 Ernie Sheppard New Haven, USA W TKO 5
1948-01-26 Saint Paul Holyoke, USA W PTS 10
1947-12-29 Henry Hall Holyoke, USA L PTS 10
1947-12-08 Billy Gordon Holyoke, USA W KO 6
1947-10-27 Aaron Wade Holyoke, USA W PTS 10
1947-09-03 Abel Gonsalves New Bedford, USA W KO 6
1947-08-28 Tony Ferry Fall River, USA L PTS 10
1947-08-19 Anthony Jones New Bedford, USA W PTS 10
1947-08-07 Lee Savold Fall River, USA D PTS 10
1947-04-07 Saint Paul Holyoke, USA L PTS 10
1947-03-24 Omelio Agramonte Cleveland, USA L PTS 8
1947-03-20 Steve Ketchell Fall River, USA W PTS 10
1947-03-17 Willie Davis Rochester, USA W KO 3
1947-01-27 Lee Q Murray Stamford, USA L RTD 4
1946-12-23 Abel Gonsalves Boston, USA L PTS 6
1946-11-11 Jose Gonzalez Providence, USA W KO 1
1946-09-26 Tony Gillo Stamford, USA W PTS 6
1945-12-20 Cleve Bailey Fall River, USA L PTS 10
1945-07-20 Tiger Jack Fox Spokane, USA L PTS 10
1945-07-04 Bobby Zander Spokane, USA L PTS 10
1944-12-26 Jimmy Reed New Bedford, USA W PTS 10
1943-05-25 Young Gene Buffalo New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1943-05-06 Georgie Fuller Portland, USA W PTS 10
1943-05-03 George Kochan New York City, USA D PTS 8
1943-04-27 Andy Holland New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1943-04-13 Soldier Montoya Lowell, USA W PTS 10
1943-04-06 Andy Holland New Bedford, USA D PTS 10
1943-03-09 Andy Holland New Bedford, USA L UD 10
1943-02-25 Warren Jones Fall River, USA W KO 1
1943-02-18 Deacon Johnny Brown Boston, USA W KO 1
1943-02-09 Johnny O'Toole New Bedford, USA W KO 2
1943-02-04 Andy Holland Boston, USA L PTS 10
1943-01-26 Charley 'Hobo' Williams New Bedford, USA W KO 2
1943-01-05 Lee Q Murray New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1942-12-22 Lee Q Murray New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1942-12-01 George Stovall New Bedford, USA W KO 2
1942-11-17 Eddie Blunt New Bedford, USA D PTS 10
1942-08-27 Danny Cox Fall River, USA L SD 10
1942-08-13 Buddy Thomas Fall River, USA W KO 8
1942-07-02 Danny Cox Fall River, USA L PTS 10
1942-06-23 Lorenzo Strickland Portland, USA D PTS 10
1942-06-17 Billy Grant New Haven, USA W KO 8
1942-06-11 Gene Mickens Fall River, USA W KO 1
1942-05-14 Al Boros Fall River, USA W PTS 10
1942-04-23 Jimmy Gunboat Davis Fall River, USA W PTS 10
1942-03-26 Abel Gonsalves Fall River, USA W UD 10
1942-03-19 Jimmy Gunboat Davis Fall River, USA W KO 10
1942-02-26 Vince Pimpinella Fall River, USA L UD 10
1942-02-19 Danny Devlin Fall River, USA W KO 3
1942-02-09 Italian Jack Dempsey New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1942-01-26 Willie Pavlovich New Bedford, USA W KO 8
1942-01-05 Willie Pavlovich New Bedford, USA L PTS 8
1941-12-09 Italian Jack Dempsey New Bedford, USA L PTS 12
1941-11-18 Roy Kelley New Bedford, USA W KO 3
1941-11-14 Vince Pimpinella Boston, USA D PTS 8
1941-08-18 Eddie Peirce New Bedford, USA L SD 10
1941-06-24 Eddie Peirce Bangor, USA L PTS 10
1941-05-15 Frank Zamoris Portland, USA W KO 6
1941-04-15 Al Sinibaldi New Bedford, USA W TKO 10
1941-04-03 Pat Mangini Fall River, USA W PTS 10
1941-03-18 Bill Weinberg New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1941-03-06 Pat Mangini Fall River, USA W SD 10
1941-02-28 Jackie Fisher Augusta, USA W KO 5
1941-02-22 Johnny Seaman New Bedford, USA W PTS 10
1941-02-11 Eddie Guerra New Bedford, USA W KO 7
1941-01-30 Jackie Fisher Portland, USA W KO 4
1941-01-23 Eddie McLaughlin Portland, USA L UD 8
1941-01-16 Johnny Seaman New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1940-11-19 Larry Kellum New Bedford, USA W UD 10
1940-09-11 Coley Welch Portland, USA L PTS 10
1940-08-07 Danny Needham Portland, USA L PTS 10
1940-07-11 Coley Welch Portland, USA L PTS 10
1940-06-13 Danny Needham Portland, USA W KO 9
1940-05-28 Larry Baker New Bedford, USA W TKO 7
1940-05-21 Larry Baker New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1940-05-14 Jack Romeo Dubois New Bedford, USA W TKO 7
1940-04-30 Irish Johnny Smith New Bedford, USA W TKO 3
1940-04-16 Young Dempsey New Bedford, USA W KO 2
1940-04-02 Italian Jack Dempsey New Bedford, USA L PTS 10
1940-03-12 Young Dempsey New Bedford, USA W TKO 6
1940-03-05 Italian Jack Dempsey New Bedford, USA W KO 9
1940-02-13 Italian Jack Dempsey New Bedford, USA W KO 9
1940-02-06 Sam Shumway New Bedford, USA W KO 1
1940-01-30 Sam Shumway New Bedford, USA L PTS 8
1940-01-23 Sam Shumway New Bedford, USA W KO 3
1940-01-09 Sam Lano New Bedford, USA W KO 3
1940-01-02 Jackie Wolgast New Bedford, USA W KO 1
1939-12-21 Jimmy Savade New Bedford, USA W PTS 4
1939-10-24 Jackie Wolgast New Bedford, USA D PTS 4
1939-10-05 Johnny Cardidin Portland, USA W KO 1
1939-09-07 Ernie Swan Portland, USA W KO 1
1939-08-24 Winn Allen Portland, USA W NWS 4

Record to Date
Won 67 (KOs 43) Lost 67 Drawn 10 Total 144

[Randyman]

I lived in E.L.A. and I know of some great Mexcian restaurants, but I'm not feeling to good to name any right now......

Frank

Just brought my oldest grandaughter home from the hospital last night. Poor thing lost her baby. Had to remove some stuff inside.Everyone is praying they can have another child. They want a son to be little brother to their daughter. Her husband and all of us are a bit down. She's staying with "Abuelita"(my wife). Wants "Menudo con Pata". Give me your address. I'l send some up to you Express Mail. Diego

My condolences Rog, My prayers are with you and yours. I know what you're going through. My oldest daughter miscarriaged last week. Same scenario, they wanted a little brother for the daughter. It's God's Will.
Randy

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[dagosd2000]

I lived in E.L.A. and I know of some great Mexcian restaurants, but I'm not feeling to good to name any right now......

Frank

Just brought my oldest grandaughter home from the hospital last night. Poor thing lost her baby. Had to remove some stuff inside.Everyone is praying they can have another child. They want a son to be little brother to their daughter. Her husband and all of us are a bit down. She's staying with "Abuelita"(my wife). Wants "Menudo con Pata". Give me your address. I'l send some up to you Express Mail. Diego

My condolences Rog, My prayers are with you and yours. I know what you're going through. My oldest daughter miscarriaged last week. Same scenario, they wanted a little brother for the daughter. It's God's Will.
Randy

Thanks Randy
I Know. I know. I just can't figure it out. I guess I'm not supposed to. Thanks again Rog

[kikibalt]

Here's diego


What I look like when I'm done painting
Caption by Diego

[Randyman]

Thanks Randy
I Know. I know. I just can't figure it out. I guess I'm not supposed to. Thanks again Rog

Rog, When I lost my grandson Nathan, in 2001, I finally realized that there are things in this world we are never going to understand. The the undeserved death of a child and the suffering of the parents are beyond my comprehension Rog. My only hope is that I will see my grandson again. In fact, I'm counting on it.
Randy

[Randyman]

Here's diego


What I look like when I'm done painting
Caption by Diego

Jeez Rog, you scared the crap out of me!
Randy

[kikibalt]

Salvador Sanchez


"Sal"
By Diego

[Expug]

Here's diego


What I look like when I'm done painting
Caption by Diego

Jeez Rog, you scared the crap out of me!
Randy

BRAVEHART
William Wallace!

[dagosd2000]

Thanks Randy
I Know. I know. I just can't figure it out. I guess I'm not supposed to. Thanks again Rog

Rog, When I lost my grandson Nathan, in 2001, I finally realized that there are things in this world we are never going to understand. The the undeserved death of a child and the suffering of the parents are beyond my comprehension Rog. My only hope is that I will see my grandson again. In fact, I'm counting on it.
Randy

And as the gang arrives up there when the time comes,we'll keep the thread goin'.

[dagosd2000]

Here's diego


What I look like when I'm done painting
Caption by Diego

Jeez Rog, you scared the crap out of me!
Randy

BRAVEHART
William Wallace!

Hey Pug,Randy
I remember in high school when when us guys couldn't line ourselves up with any women for a Friday night. We'd get in the car and cruise around lookin' for girls. We were very critical with our selections. The problem though ,I figured later,was that when you get 4 or 5 guys in a car that look like me in that picture, the chances of scoring are pretty slim.

[Expug]

Rog, you reminded me of when us micks used to drive around with dates in the car, we'd always joke about how we werent gonna drive around Italian style.
Guys in the front seat , girls in the backseat was Italian style to us.
I dont know where the hell we got that, it was funny to us knuckleheads in the late seventies.

[kikibalt]

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.


"Jr."

By Diego

[Rick Farris]

U.S. boxing team had little punch
Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times

By Mike Downey, Chicago Tribune
August 23, 2008

BEIJING -- Oh, how Howard Cosell would mock this.

Having followed the halcyon days of Cassius and Smokin' Joe and Big George and the young Sugar Ray, how it would have pained the perspicacious Howard to watch these pusillanimous pugilists of our 2008 U.S. Olympic boxing team land with a thud and a dud.

The latest and last victim was our flamingo-legged heavyweight, Deontay Wilder, who brought literal meaning to "never laid a glove on him" in Friday's listless loss to Italy's Clemente Russo, thereby knocking the entire U.S. boxing team out of Beijing's ring.


Great post, Pug.

Although he earned a bronze medal just by showing up, Wilder's failure meant that for the first time in 112 years of Olympic boxing, the Americans would go down for the medal count without so much as a single gold or silver.

I haven't seen a fight club that deserves to be talked about so little since that one with Brad Pitt.


In my pidgin Italian, I did ask the rock-jawed Russo after the so-called fight what he thought of his worthy opponent.

"I am surprised that the United States has just one man with a medal," the Italian stallion said. "And even he is not so good."

Ouch. One last jab.

A lucky tap and a generous judge in the last 10 seconds of a four-round fight gave Wilder a point that prevented a shutout. The score went down in the Olympic record books as 7-1 and made it look as if this tall drink of water from Alabama actually landed a punch.

Hagler-Hearns, this wasn't.

Wilder is a 6-foot-7, 190-pound palooka from Tuscaloosa who is built more like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar than like Muhammad Ali.

I mean, he seems like a sweet kid and all, and he has an adorable daughter with a horrible malady (spina bifida), but if this dude is a heavyweight contender, I'm Mrs. Don King. I can't imagine watching this rope-thin 22-year-old inflict pain on a Mike Tyson or a Lennox Lewis if he smacked either one of them on the jaw with a George Foreman grill.

"It's all about having fun, man," Wilder summed things up after his loss, which gives you a pretty good idea of how ferocious an individual he is.

China has pandas less docile.

And yet, of our Olympians, he was the best we had, our lonesome medalist. I hope the team members were able to shop for a few souvenirs. They won't be bringing much else back with them to the States, other than duffel bags filled with used mouthpieces and a bunch of weak excuses that involved blaming their coaches or the judges.

Boxing premiered in 1896 and we began throwing our weight around. That goes for little guys like Oliver Kirk, who won two different divisions in 1904, as well as quick lightweights like Oscar De La Hoya, long-armed welterweights like Mark Breland, flashy middleweights like a teenage Floyd Patterson and ruthless light-heavies like a toothless Leon Spinks.

Wilder's arms moved, but his fists did not make contact with his foe's face for any of the first three two-minute rounds. Not until 0:09 remained in Round 4 did the American collect a round of sarcastic cheers from the stands by scoring a point with a punch, although the Italian hardly felt it.

"I score one point in the first round and so it is up to him to come to me," Russo said. "He did not. I thought it would be harder work."

Russo fought in Chicago at the 2007 world championships and beat Russia's Rakhim Chakhkiev by a 6-3 decision for the heavyweight crown. A rematch is coming right up; it is Chakhkiev who now stands between him and Italy's first gold medal in boxing in 20 years.

America might go that long itself if the quality of its team does not improve.

We took eight boxing gold medals in the boycotted 1984 Los Angeles Olympics alone and a very impressive five at Montreal in 1976 when the nasal ringside voice of Cosell declared each and every one of them to be an overnight American idol.

Boxing in Beijing?

Count us out. These were our most limp Olympians yet.

Just what I said in a previous post. The toughness has been squeezed out of the American culture. Without pride and charactor, there is no reason to fight. We have become a nation of bullies and cowards. If not for money and technolocal superiority, we'd be ripe for the taking. Coming from a family that proudly served and lost lives in every American conflict from WWI thru Viet Nam, I'm ashamed to that I'm embarrassed to be an American in this century. What I saw in that semi-final bout between the U.S. and Italy was the last Olympic boxing match I shall ever watch. By the way, the Italian who outscored the Yank was a joke himself, however, at the end of the bout the joke was on America, but I assure you I wasn't laughing.

-Rick

What a joke,that "fighter" said its all about having fun man.
I could go on and on about this kinda crap.
Rick, I agree with you.
The pussification of our culture continues.
I went with my son the other day to a meeting with other parents and my sons football coach.
My sons in 5th grade.
The coach goes on and on with some bullshit about how he doesnt care if they win or lose every game as long as the kids learn and have fun.
I took my son aside later and told him," you try your hardest every play,"and do your best to win every game.And if you see your teamates loafing, grab them by the collar and tell them they had better give it there all or they are gonna answer to you.
This coach isnt helping prepare these kids for what lies ahead in the real world.
In the real world, there is a winner and a loser. People should be rewarded for success.
His attitude breeds lazziness and complacency.
As you guys know, I coach Judo.Ive competed in it and have trained and fought many Eastern Europeans. Particularly Russians.
You wouldnt believe how rough these guys are. There freakin beasts.They dont complain about shit. They will tear an arm off .Political correctness is unheard of.What matters is kicking ass , being a freakin man.
The Russian parents of the kids that are participating in sports here DO NOT subscribe to the everyone gets a trophy, lets not offend anybody who loses , lets not hurt feelings school of thought.Maybe after they have been here longer they will get indoctrinated into this, but I dont see it right now.
I dont know what happened to American culture in this regard, but I see alot of physical and mental SOFTNESS all over the place.

Great post, pug.

[Rick Farris]

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.


"Jr."

By Diego

A guy lucky he's not fighting in his father's era. I've never seen a more "protevted" Mexican boxer. I believe that in do course, we will see Junior flattened by a ham & egger.

-Rick