Williams is getting schooled

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 18 Apr 2004, 10:23

mrbassie wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
mrbassie wrote: sometimes he's just too damned relaxed.
I couldn't believe his reaction when he got tagged flush late on with a left hook - he looked at the ref to protest. The ref didn't hit you mate! Have a bloody fight! He was getting his head boxed off, crushing and dispiriting certainly, but I was disappointed with the lack of leather thrown by him full stop.
Martinez spun him just before that though, I think that's why.

He claimed he was hit on the break, but I think he was just clutching at straws by then.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 18 Apr 2004, 10:29

Kevo wrote:
mrbassie wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote: I couldn't believe his reaction when he got tagged flush late on with a left hook - he looked at the ref to protest. The ref didn't hit you mate! Have a bloody fight! He was getting his head boxed off, crushing and dispiriting certainly, but I was disappointed with the lack of leather thrown by him full stop.
Martinez spun him just before that though, I think that's why.
He claimed he was hit on the break, but I think he was just clutching at straws by then.

Yeah, he had been spun round, true. I don't mean any disrespect to him and feel he is better than that showing. I think he knew he was beat but shut down before he'd done what he could, if you know what I mean.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 18 Apr 2004, 10:34

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
Kevo wrote:
mrbassie wrote: Martinez spun him just before that though, I think that's why.
He claimed he was hit on the break, but I think he was just clutching at straws by then.
Yeah, he had been spun round, true. I don't mean any disrespect to him and feel he is better than that showing. I think he knew he was beat but shut down before he'd done what he could, if you know what I mean.

I think the two knockdowns that Williams scored in the first fight were the worst thing that could have happened really. He spent the whole of last night's fight looking for that one shot to take Martinez out, and even when he did manage to land flush, Martinez just shrugged them off.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 18 Apr 2004, 10:36

Even thou he did floor martinez he didnt really hurt him

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 18 Apr 2004, 10:39

Williams fought the exact same fight Stone did. He should have known plodding round after someone as skilled as martinez could only lead to disaster.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 18 Apr 2004, 12:38

yup, imo if he'd crouched and kept firing one two's to the body he'd have done a lot better

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 18 Apr 2004, 12:50

mrbassie wrote:yup, imo if he'd crouched and kept firing one two's to the body he'd have done a lot better

Agreed, but it's easier said than done against someone who moves as much as martinez, and if Williams slipped one jab all night, I didn't see it. I know someone's allready mentioned it, but how big was Martinez? He was fornicating ripped to fornicate!

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 18 Apr 2004, 13:34

Well that's what I mean, if he'd stayed low with the gloves up the jab would've caught him on the top of the head and it wouldn't have be such a factor. I'm taking nothing away from Martinez but it looked to me like since the first fight Martinez knew how to improve on his performance (not like he should feel he needed to) while Williams didn't.
Maybe I'm being a bit zealous, I read the article on SO today saying RW's "career is over", I disagree with that, providing his confidence (not to mention his brain) isn't shattered I think if he gets straight back in and keeps busy, with some thoughtful matchmaking (no southpaws

) he can have some respectable successes.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 18 Apr 2004, 13:54

yeah its not over for williams he's excellent at a level i think

but just don't give him lefty's and be careful on the matchmaking.

european title wouldn't be a bad idea

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 18 Apr 2004, 13:56

williams is a talented fighter, i bet if martinez wasnt a south paw it would of been a closer fight

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 18 Apr 2004, 13:59

REAL_DEAL wrote:williams is a talented fighter, i bet if martinez wasnt a south paw it would of been a closer fight

those bloody southpaws they should be strangled at birth

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 18 Apr 2004, 14:04

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
REAL_DEAL wrote:williams is a talented fighter, i bet if martinez wasnt a south paw it would of been a closer fight
those bloody southpaws they should be strangled at birth

expect for me :x :x

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 18 Apr 2004, 16:31

And me.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 18 Apr 2004, 16:34

all south paws are gifted fighters

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 18 Apr 2004, 16:35

Indeed.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 18 Apr 2004, 16:46

No, southpaws are dull. All the greatest fighters in boxing history: Ali, Pep, Robinson, Jones, Dean Bramhald, and Louis, were orthodox.
Southpaws stink...

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 18 Apr 2004, 16:52

Marvin Hagler was a great south paw

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 18 Apr 2004, 16:53

bennie wrote:No, southpaws are dull. All the greatest fighters in boxing history: Ali, Pep, Robinson, Jones, Dean Bramhald, and Louis, were orthodox.
Southpaws stink...

i thought you didnt rate roy jones :P

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 18 Apr 2004, 16:54

REAL_DEAL wrote:Marvin Hagler was a great south paw

Marvin was only good when he turned orthodox. Can you imagine Duran as a southpaw! My God. Please, no.

PS: I was referring to Junior Jones, not Roy.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 18 Apr 2004, 16:58

Only joking by the way. Sunday night and all that.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 18 Apr 2004, 19:09

Pernell Whitaker was pretty good and a southpaw.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 19 Apr 2004, 03:07

Am i the only one clamouring for a third match?!

Williams should concentrate on domestic matches now, maybe against Takaloo or Wayne Alexander. As for Martinez well would he be so good against better fighters than Williams? That is what we need to find out now, he should kiss goodbye to these shores and look for some fights in America, he could pose problems for most Light Middleweights, he strikes me as the perfect away fighter, his style is made for an away fighter.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 19 Apr 2004, 03:50

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:Pernell Whitaker was pretty good and a southpaw.

Indeed. Also, he is higher in Ring Magazine's all time ratings than a couple of tghose you mentioned Bennie.

Pernell Whitaker is a great great fighter.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 19 Apr 2004, 05:49

Martinez clearly has some hunger. His considerable strength told on Williams right from the first exchange of punches.

Takaloo & Alexander would fair no better.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 19 Apr 2004, 09:29

Kilburn wrote:Martinez clearly has some hunger. His considerable strength told on Williams right from the first exchange of punches.

Takaloo & Alexander would fair no better.

SM was very strong.. as someone said - a lot of weight training must have gone on in the last 10 months !.

No way is RW finished - he was his old self but SM was always a step ahead on the speed stakes..

European is the stage to concentrate on - Karmazin has given up the title and RW can figure in the mix after a couple of fights..

SO should know better than to say he is Finished !.

How can you be the best in your country and one of the best in Europe and be finished ?..

Domestically or European level...RW still has it and who is to say he could not topple Santos in time !

Martinez is a nightmare for most !