CAMPBELL v GUZMAN live on Setanta

[Wales]

Oh good god, are Campbell and Guzman the people that the self-styled "hardcore" going to latch onto as some sort of standard bearers of "good honest pro's who never duck anyone"

If you knew anything about Joan Guzman, you would know what thats so laughable

Oh god, she's off again...so just because Guzman gave a couple of Scottish strap holders a miss, he's now a protected fighter?

You been on the GBH again, numbnuts?

GHB i think you mean


and yes

dont over do it or you'll ... zzzzzzz

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Oh good god, are Campbell and Guzman the people that the self-styled "hardcore" going to latch onto as some sort of standard bearers of "good honest pro's who never duck anyone"

If you knew anything about Joan Guzman, you would know what thats so laughable

Oh god, she's off again...so just because Guzman gave a couple of Scottish strap holders a miss, he's now a protected fighter?

You been on the GBH again, numbnuts?

GHB i think you mean


and yes

dont over do it or you'll ... zzzzzzz

I thought it was supposed to make you "up" rather than sleep?

Or am i thinking of rohypnol?


oh, the modern world

[Wales]

GHB is a mild form of rohypnol isnt it. Take a little and you're fine, just about overdo it and its night night. I think a coca cola bottle cap full every X hours is the correct dosage... very dangerous stuff. Made form industrial floor cleaner, often used in hospitals, amongst other bizzare ingrediants.

[Chambers2]

GHB is a mild form of rohypnol isnt it. Take a little and you're fine, just about overdo it and its night night. I think a coca cola bottle cap full every X hours is the correct dosage... very dangerous stuff. Made form industrial floor cleaner, often used in hospitals, amongst other bizzare ingrediants.

It's dangerous stuff! It's killed a fair few, it slows your heartbeat right down. I had a mate who was carted off to hospital after some

[DavidPayne]

Why not just drink 8-10 pints of Lager or Bitter like we used to in the old days.

It was always about the craddock not the coma back then.

[Chambers2]

You can get 4/5 on Guzman to beat Nate Campbell on points at Ladbrokes, which looks very generous to me

[Poncey]

Those odds are bit poop. I would've expected at least 2/1 for Guzman considering it's his first 135 fight and the stipulation is points. 3/1 sounds bout right.

[steve689]

I for one am happy for Guzman-Campbell & Calderon-Cazares etc to be picked up by Setanta. It's solid world class action and live, without the wait. As long as they keep churning these type of events out then I will keep subscribing; apart from SKY what else is there?

[Chambers2]

Those odds are bit poop. I would've expected at least 2/1 for Guzman considering it's his first 135 fight and the stipulation is points. 3/1 sounds bout right.

Guzmans developed into a master-pitter-patter puncher (due to dodgy hands) who's won his last 7 fights on points, I think this is a nailed on UD for Guzman (I've lost money on nailed on bets before though)

[Poncey]

I agree with regard to his pillow hands, but those odds still favour him massively over the linear champion, espeically when you consider stoppages on cuts.

Campbell is as consistent as soufflé, mind.

[Chambers2]

I agree with regard to his pillow hands, but those odds still favour him massively over the linear champion, espeically when you consider stoppages on cuts.

Campbell is as consistent as soufflé, mind.

I have Guzman as a top 5 P4P boxer in terms of ability, I just hope the 10 month lay-off hasn't done him too much damage

[Poncey]

My worry is he isn't a big lightweight and I had Diaz higher than Guzman. However he has a decent reach. I think it's a 50/50 fight.

If it was 3/1 Guzman the decision, I'd be tempted.

[Chambers2]

My worry is he isn't a big lightweight and I had Diaz higher than Guzman. However he has a decent reach. I think it's a 50/50 fight.

If it was 3/1 Guzman the decision, I'd be tempted.

Your loss

[Wales]

Aye Guzman to outpoint him

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Really looking forward to this 1, Guzman is 1 of my faves and for me could be P4P no1 ability wise, Campbell too is an excellent fighter in the BHOPs mold with soem decent skills and the Diaz win was mint. Looking forward to this 1 big time

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Unification @ 135 - 13th Sep and a helluvafight

Not many would fancy their chances taking on either of these two, and it's a great example of two fighters willing to take on ANYONE, none of the ducking and sidestepping we see so often these days.

Tough fight to call, I'll go Guzman on points.

I stand by my previous remarks


If Guzman was British there would be 25 threads a day on here, laughing at the amount of fights he pulls out of.


As he isnt, he is lauded as a fighter "willing to take on ANYONE"

baffling

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I stand by my previous remarks

If Guzman was British there would be 25 threads a day on here, laughing at the amount of fights he pulls out of.

As he isnt, he is lauded as a fighter "willing to take on ANYONE"

baffling

Well he has fought top opposition at 130, two top5 fighters in their prime, hes pulled out of:

Harrison - Harrison pulled out 2-3 times already, and would pull out of the date he was supposed to face Guzman on. Guzman probably had problems with weight

Katsidis - dont know why, supposedly hurth is hand, fought Soto whos a top fighter instead

Arthur - reckoned he would still fight on the date after he had problems getting his visa, probably couldnt make weight though?

Campbell - doctors didnt allow him to fight and he was coughing up blood

As a fan Im pretty gutted to be honest, he is/was my current favourate fighter and hes missed this one and may have a lengthy ban, and at 32 that could be the end of what could have been a great career. I really thought he could beat any other lightweight at the moment and thats saying something

[Datsue]

I stand by my previous remarks


If Guzman was British there would be 25 threads a day on here, laughing at the amount of fights he pulls out of.


As he isnt, he is lauded as a fighter "willing to take on ANYONE"

baffling

Sorry -- late to the party here -- but you're saying (with some justification) that Joan Guzman pulls out of a lot of fights, right? I agree, he does, always has. But what's your point? That the members of this forum are anti-British? Not patriotic enough? Are you retarded? Have you not met Max Molyneux & Fist, two of the most blinkered jingoistic dudes you're likely to come across outside a BNP rally?

The other half of the fight you're bitching about was Nate Campbell, who has fought Peden, Raiymikulov (feck knows the correct spelling, the Kid Diamond fella knocking everyone he fought out years ago), Casamayor & Juan Diaz (just off the top of my head). A guy who's lack of ducking of world class fighters more than makes up for Guzman's avoiding two Scottish strap-holders, as someone else said.

So I ask again... what's your point? You're acting like you've scored some massive point when I for one fail to see exactly where your mighty "Oh God everyone on this forum is boring & stupid" -style trolling is aimed at.

I mean, I know that people like to falsely adopt "controversial" positions on the interwebnet, just so they can play some fricking weird reverse-psychology game -- it's just that what I've seen of yours (doing a Huey Lewis -esque hip to be square routine & praising money men for fleecing the punters) is a bit pointless, really, innit? If you hate us all so much & we're scum & you're so much more insightful, why don't you just fvck off & find someone who will tax your mighty intellect?

Or have I just got the wrong end of the stick & there's something really profound you're illuminating here with your trademark caustic wit?

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

I stand by my previous remarks


If Guzman was British there would be 25 threads a day on here, laughing at the amount of fights he pulls out of.


As he isnt, he is lauded as a fighter "willing to take on ANYONE"

baffling

Sorry -- late to the party here -- but you're saying (with some justification) that Joan Guzman pulls out of a lot of fights, right? I agree, he does, always has. But what's your point? That the members of this forum are anti-British? Not patriotic enough? Are you retarded? Have you not met Max Molyneux & Fist, two of the most blinkered jingoistic dudes you're likely to come across outside a BNP rally?

The other half of the fight you're bitching about was Nate Campbell, who has fought Peden, Raiymikulov (feck knows the correct spelling, the Kid Diamond fella knocking everyone he fought out years ago), Casamayor & Juan Diaz (just off the top of my head). A guy who's lack of ducking of world class fighters more than makes up for Guzman's avoiding two Scottish strap-holders, as someone else said.

So I ask again... what's your point? You're acting like you've scored some massive point when I for one fail to see exactly where your mighty "Oh God everyone on this forum is boring & stupid" -style trolling is aimed at.

I mean, I know that people like to falsely adopt "controversial" positions on the interwebnet, just so they can play some fricking weird reverse-psychology game -- it's just that what I've seen of yours (doing a Huey Lewis -esque hip to be square routine & praising money men for fleecing the punters) is a bit pointless, really, innit? If you hate us all so much & we're scum & you're so much more insightful, why don't you just fvck off & find someone who will tax your mighty intellect?

Or have I just got the wrong end of the stick & there's something really profound you're illuminating here with your trademark caustic wit?

Blimey





Calm down sweetheart



xxxxx

[DavidPayne]

Guzman is a coulda been.

Anyone making him a P4P superstar is massively over-rating what he has ACTUALLY done.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Guzman is a coulda been.

Anyone making him a P4P superstar is massively over-rating what he has ACTUALLY done.

It was the ability he showed, plus dominating 2 top 5 fighters at 130 isn't far off when you think about too much worse than losing to and beating a shot morales twice (who went 1-4 in his last 5, with his soul win over Manny) and getting a bit of a gift over marquez

[DavidPayne]

P-N.

He's an unreliable professional too. I've little time for them. B+ talent. C+ achievement. Campbell B talent. B+ Achievement, despite losses.

[DavidPayne]

A year off....would anyone notice.

Campbell's reposte today was to the point and entirely fair.

[Poncey]

Although the WBC are inconsistent sticklers for it, with Castillo case in point, I hope he won't get a year ban because the doctors prevented him from fighting.

However, he probably does deserve it. Especially given the effort his fans made with the storm there.

I still think he could be effective (let's be honest, a year off for Joan is nothing new) for 2 more years, provided his long-term health ain't fcked. Which it probably is.

[Asterix]

The doctors only prevented him from fighting because of what he did to himself though. If he had prepared properly or taken a fight at a more appropriate weight, he would not have ended up coughing up blood through dehydration.