Oliver Harrison

[DG.]

I doubt he is pleased- I think Khan would have been more careful if trained by Harrison.


Still - he would be knocked out

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[1southpaw]

Khan may have lasted longer if he stayed with Harrison as a trainer.

what like a full 60 seconds

[chris s]

He has no chin, end of. No trainer can account for that. Down five times as a pro and at least once as an amateur

[Carbo]

This loss is actually a damning indictment of Harrison as a trainer. Khan has supreme physical abilities as a boxer, but has holes in his repertoire that you could drive an oil rig through. From day one his work has been scatological, he hasn't sat down on his punches or attempted any type of punch selection, he has neglected his footwork for large chunks of his fights, he has often forsaken lateral movement for straight lines in and out, his chin has been in the air, and his defence has been abysmal.

I really can't see a great deal of improvement in Khan from day one.

Obviously Harrison can't build up Amir's chin, and if he's a bad trainer who doesn't listen, that's not Harrison's fault either, but I think this loss, and Amir's problems as a whole, are not going to reflect well on Harrison.

[Wales]

Oliver would've ensured khan took a look at Prescott first, instead of running straight in looking to go blow for blow with the hard hitting columbian. HIs tactical approach to the fight was all wrong.

[rhino222]

does khan actually think he has a decent chin?

[WildWaylon]

Oliver would've ensured khan took a look at Prescott first, instead of running straight in looking to go blow for blow with the hard hitting columbian. HIs tactical approach to the fight was all wrong.

But he had a gameplan and good advice it seems, but ignored it because he thought he was superman. Had Harrison been there, would he have listened, I think not. I also believe he thought, Prescott was a bum and no match for him. He tripped over his massive ego, and now he is in shit street.

[WildWaylon]

does khan actually think he has a decent chin?

He must believe he has or he would quit right now. No point carrying on if you know you are going to get dropped by decent fighters.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I personally don't think anything can be blamed for this result other than Amir's chin.

Amir did little wrong, except fall over when he got hit.

Despite the talk on here, he didn't come flying out of the blocks, he threw a few jabs, and then just left his right a little bit low, and Breidis did the rest.

Amir can tighten his defence, he change things here and there, but what we all suspected to be true evidently is true, he just doesn't hold a shot well, now we know why there were so many non punchers in the opposite corner.

allegedly is no fool, he must have thought there was something iffy about Khan's punch resistance, perhaps there were clear signs in sparring that Khan could be hurt easily, and maybe he figured that if Khan was ever going to progress, he would have to face a puncher some time and thought it was time to go shit or bust.

One thing is for sure, Khan's stock has fallen quicker than a freight elevator with a snapped cable.

If there is gloating on, then Warren and Khan have nobody but themselves to blame, if you are being built as the next british legend of boxing, you'd better make sure you don't get knocked out in less than a minute by an unknown columbian opponent, who was hand picked by your own trainer, and approved by your promoter.

I always had my doubts about Khan as any kind of true world champion, and I'm more sure than ever that he will never get there now, and if I have to eat my words some day in the future, I'm prepared to take that risk.

[Asterix]

Despite the talk on here, he didn't come flying out of the blocks, he threw a few jabs, and then just left his right a little bit low, and Breidis did the rest.

He did come flying out of the blocks. He got too close to Prescott (because he rushed in) and tried knocking him out.

[Twinkle Toes]

Nah, I agree with James, this running out of the blocks is just an excuse.

[Asterix]

Nah, I agree with James, this running out of the blocks is just an excuse.

I can see your argument. If you watch the video again, you'll see he legs it over to Prescott, then begins to box. When I saw it live it seemed as though he really go stuck in, but watching it back, it looks a bit more reserved. I do think he rushed though, and that was what gave him problems so quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2JE3oI0mM8

[jamesmcdonnell]

Khan's biggest problem, and it's one that has been evident from day one, is that he is great at long range, when he is pumping out those long levers, but close in, he isn't able to both punch and block at the same time, he can do one or the other, but not both.

At top level, you need to be able to either sit in the pocket and still be able to defend yourself, or box at long range and prevent your opponent getting close enough, and therefore control the fight.

Khan tends to end up getting on top of his opponent, but once there, lacks the savvy on the inside to stay protected.

This is why talk of him going with Ingle is ridiculous. Khan would probably benefit more from a traditional technician like Manny Steward, but Manny these days I don't think is much more than a gun for hire and isn't the answer.

Jumping from trainer to trainer isn't going to help either, we've seen what that does for fighters, continuity is as important as anything. I don't know who I would suggest could help, because his problems seem to be ingrained to an extent. Floyd mayweather Sr could probably improve his defence, but I don't know if he is fluid enough to execute that style, he's a bit too stiff.

[Scrap]

Why He goes over so easily, Is because His Head isnt where it should be in relation to where the feet shoulds naturaly put it.

[Carbo]

Khan's biggest problem, and it's one that has been evident from day one, is that he is great at long range, when he is pumping out those long levers, but close in, he isn't able to both punch and block at the same time, he can do one or the other, but not both.

At top level, you need to be able to either sit in the pocket and still be able to defend yourself, or box at long range and prevent your opponent getting close enough, and therefore control the fight.

Khan tends to end up getting on top of his opponent, but once there, lacks the savvy on the inside to stay protected.

This is why talk of him going with Ingle is ridiculous. Khan would probably benefit more from a traditional technician like Manny Steward, but Manny these days I don't think is much more than a gun for hire and isn't the answer.

Jumping from trainer to trainer isn't going to help either, we've seen what that does for fighters, continuity is as important as anything. I don't know who I would suggest could help, because his problems seem to be ingrained to an extent. Floyd mayweather Sr could probably improve his defence, but I don't know if he is fluid enough to execute that style, he's a bit too stiff.

Very interesting points about the Khan style and his problems, and I really think he's going to have a tough time solving them. At the top level, he will have to be able to handle himself on the inside, and, unfortunately, he's not even at the stage where he has a grounding but could improve, or can hold his own but has some rough edges. It's a part of boxing that is simply absent from his repertoire.

Anyway, I really feel that to a certain extent people are barking up the wrong tree with the reasons they've sited for the loss. The change of trainer etc were all recent things, yet the fight against Prescott showed nothing we hadn't seen on numerous occasions before.

I've penned an article for David Payne's blog detailing my thoughts on the matter.

http://boxingwriter.wordpress.com/2008/ ... ord-blame/

[DavidPayne]

Khan's biggest problem, and it's one that has been evident from day one, is that he is great at long range, when he is pumping out those long levers, but close in, he isn't able to both punch and block at the same time, he can do one or the other, but not both.

At top level, you need to be able to either sit in the pocket and still be able to defend yourself, or box at long range and prevent your opponent getting close enough, and therefore control the fight.

Khan tends to end up getting on top of his opponent, but once there, lacks the savvy on the inside to stay protected.

This is why talk of him going with Ingle is ridiculous. Khan would probably benefit more from a traditional technician like Manny Steward, but Manny these days I don't think is much more than a gun for hire and isn't the answer.

Jumping from trainer to trainer isn't going to help either, we've seen what that does for fighters, continuity is as important as anything. I don't know who I would suggest could help, because his problems seem to be ingrained to an extent. Floyd mayweather Sr could probably improve his defence, but I don't know if he is fluid enough to execute that style, he's a bit too stiff.

I can see some correlation between him and a Calzaghe style, in the sense of he has fast hands and some power but does somethings wrong. Calzaghe has become a flurry-fighter as his hands disintegrated but to begin with he could punch and used the speed of delivery to knock a fair few over. They'd also not stand for the hoopla around him. Of course, with FW as promoter, that aint going to happen.

So then I'd opt for Woodhall, who could certainly teach the youngster about range, timing and a fkking jab.

[Scrap]

His psychodynamics are the problem, and Muscle memory isnt helping creating bad form for His Biomechanics to be altered. His groin and lower back are under to much strain, tightening the kneck muscles suppoting the Oral cavity Which isnt where it should be in relation to the Coxxyx, theres the problem.

[DG.]

His psychodynamics are the problem, and Muscle memory isnt helping creating bad form for His Biomechanics to be altered. His groin and lower back are under to much strain, tightening the kneck muscles suppoting the Oral cavity Which isnt where it should be in relation to the Coxxyx, theres the problem.

Exactly!

[Scrap]

Thanks DG, its pretty simple really, Trying to mend something thats not Broken and Breaking it .

[observer1]

I personally don't think anything can be blamed for this result other than Amir's chin.

Amir did little wrong, except fall over when he got hit.

Despite the talk on here, he didn't come flying out of the blocks, he threw a few jabs, and then just left his right a little bit low, and Breidis did the rest.

Amir can tighten his defence, he change things here and there, but what we all suspected to be true evidently is true, he just doesn't hold a shot well, now we know why there were so many non punchers in the opposite corner.

allegedly allegedly allegedly is no fool, he must have thought there was something iffy about Khan's punch resistance, perhaps there were clear signs in sparring that Khan could be hurt easily, and maybe he figured that if Khan was ever going to progress, he would have to face a puncher some time and thought it was time to go shit or bust.

One thing is for sure, Khan's stock has fallen quicker than a freight elevator with a snapped cable.

If there is gloating on, then Warren and Khan have nobody but themselves to blame, if you are being built as the next british legend of boxing, you'd better make sure you don't get knocked out in less than a minute by an unknown columbian opponent, who was hand picked by your own trainer, and approved by your promoter.

I always had my doubts about Khan as any kind of true world champion, and I'm more sure than ever that he will never get there now, and if I have to eat my words some day in the future, I'm prepared to take that risk.

Watch it again, James. Amir RAN out of his corner. R-A-N.

And he did plenty wrong - o where to begin? How about throwing a lead right hand in the first 10seconds of a fight with someone who, on paper, could punch? How about throwing a lead left uppercut against that same puncher despite just getting rocked by a jab? How's about getting up at "1" rather than "7" and not allowing his head to clear at all? What about going on the attack after that very near KO, and not running or attempting to cover up?

Plenty of mistakes right there, and all in 51 seconds.

Indeed. Khan is notorious for having Defensive lapses. Here he had virtually no defense and just walked into nearly every punch Prescot Threw

[DG.]

Thanks DG, its pretty simple really, Trying to mend something thats not Broken and Breaking it .

I could not put it better myself!

[Scrap]

One alarming thing Ive noticed over the last few years is His chin gets lower. A terrible Habit to get into.

[Daveyswan]

I think things may be a little deeper with Khan more the lack of listening skills and ability to learn....

I had a young Kid at work no matter what you told him or tried to teach he had the inability to take things on board. When Khan speaks it's so so similar, he keeps on quoting i'm a good learner i'm gonna be excellent at this world champion/job etc etc but the realism no matter how you teach or try to explain his mind racing/somewhere else not listening...

I dont really see much improvement in Khan from when he turned pro apart from fitness and strenghth

I've got a feeling no matter who trains him realistically he may listen for a fight or 2 but he will be back to his old tricks and get knocked out again.....

[Scrap]

He was learning as an Amatuer, since His Chin went down its restricting His dyaphram by up to sixty percent. brains need Oxygen more importantly so do eyes, restricting pathways when the shit hits the fan isnt conductive to the senses.

[DG.]

He was learning as an Amatuer, since His Chin went down its restricting His dyaphram by up to sixty percent. brains need Oxygen more importantly so do eyes, restricting pathways when the shit hits the fan isnt conductive to the senses.

I was about to post the same thing - word for word!