NC vs. ND

[Emaster]

The following five world title fights are NDs according to BoxRec:
1995-05-17: Verno Phillips vs. Gianfranco Rosi
2000-07-22: Nelson Dieppa vs. Will Grigsby
2005-04-30: John Ruiz vs. James Toney
2006-11-04: Robert Guerrero vs. Orlando Salido
2006-11-18: Omar Nino Romero vs. Brian Viloria

There are 20 other fights in the database in which the NYSAC, NBA, WBA, WBC, IBF, or WBO world title was at stake which are marked NCs. Do the result representations depend upon the respective commissions or what determines whether an ND or an NC appears in BoxRec?

[Blue]

AFAIK, the traditional accepted version is Herbert G. Goldman's
reply in his” Questions & Answers” column, The Ring November 1983-p14.

A “no decision” bout is one which goes the scheduled distance,
but in which no official decision is rendered.
A “no contest” is one which fails to go the scheduled distance due to
lack of action, disqualification of both participants, an unforeseen calamity
such as a sudden rainstorm, hailstorm, etc., or some other inconclusive,
unsatisfactory outcome.

The exceptions or differences you may find are the results of
clueless bureaucratic (Locked shows) and media reporting.

The links U supplied are self explanatory, although I don’t see how
smoking Marijuana up to 30 day previous can be considered an enhancing drug.
( Except maybe to a masochist.)

[Emaster]

AFAIK, the traditional accepted version is Herbert G. Goldman's
reply in his” Questions & Answers” column, The Ring November 1983-p14.

A “no decision” bout is one which goes the scheduled distance,
but in which no official decision is rendered.
A “no contest” is one which fails to go the scheduled distance due to
lack of action, disqualification of both participants, an unforeseen calamity
such as a sudden rainstorm, hailstorm, etc., or some other inconclusive,
unsatisfactory outcome.

The exceptions or differences you may find are the results of
clueless bureaucratic (Locked shows) and media reporting.

The links U supplied are self explanatory, although I don’t see how
smoking Marijuana up to 30 day previous can be considered an enhancing drug.
( Except maybe to a masochist.)

The definition perfectly fits the five bouts presented in the first post, which all went the distance. It also fits those 19 of the other 20 fights I mentioned which did not last the scheduled duration. But the following bout did; nevertheless it is recorded as an NC in BoxRec:

1995-12-09: Francois Botha vs. Axel Schulz

These fights are recorded as NDs although they didn't go the scheduled distances:

2004-08-28: Clifton Rubin vs. Wade Lewis
2007-09-21: Joey Gilbert vs. Charles Howe

[delisa]

A NC can go the distance if, for example, the fighter tests positive for a banned substance -- see Toney-Ruiz, which was ruled NC afterwards.

[Emaster]

A NC can go the distance if, for example, the fighter tests positive for a banned substance -- see Toney-Ruiz, which was ruled NC afterwards.

The definition provided by Blue suggests otherwise. It would become pointless if NCs were rendered in such cases. Also, the ND results in the first post all refer to fights which were declared NDs because of failed drug tests.

[Matt]

The definition given by Blue is meaningless in the context of today, as the commissions do whatever they want and don't follow Goldman's definition or any definition for that matter. We are forced to record what they report. When record keepers like myself compile results of other bouts, and we come across a no-contest situation, we tend to use the interpretation Blue gave to determine the NC/ND definition.

[Emaster]

The definition given by Blue is meaningless in the context of today, as the commissions do whatever they want and don't follow Goldman's definition or any definition for that matter. We are forced to record what they report. When record keepers like myself compile results of other bouts, and we come across a no-contest situation, we tend to use the interpretation Blue gave to determine the NC/ND definition.

BoxRec has decided to record corner retirements as RTDs regardless what the reporting commissions call them for the sake of consistency and accuracy within the database. The same logic would be applied if NCs or NDs were registered according to Goldman's definition.

[AntonS]

It depends on Regulating Body & at times Title Governing Body (if Government regulator ain't in total control)
In Australia e.g.

No-Contest = Referee's verdict, when in his opinion the combatants are not doing their best, repeatedly ignore warnings etc

No-Decision = Referee's verdict if fight is stopped in unusual circumstances, such as ring collapse, long power failure etc.

In the event an appeal is lodged, the Regulating Body may declare it No-Contest

[Emaster]

It depends on Regulating Body & at times Title Governing Body

It's the same situation with RTDs and TKOs as summarized here.

AFAIK, the traditional accepted version is Herbert G. Goldman's
reply in his” Questions & Answers” column, The Ring November 1983-p14.

A “no decision” bout is one which goes the scheduled distance,
but in which no official decision is rendered.
A “no contest” is one which fails to go the scheduled distance due to
lack of action, disqualification of both participants, an unforeseen calamity
such as a sudden rainstorm, hailstorm, etc., or some other inconclusive,
unsatisfactory outcome.

The exceptions or differences you may find are the results of
clueless bureaucratic (Locked shows) and media reporting.

The definition given by Blue is meaningless in the context of today, as the commissions do whatever they want and don't follow Goldman's definition or any definition for that matter. We are forced to record what they report. When record keepers like myself compile results of other bouts, and we come across a no-contest situation, we tend to use the interpretation Blue gave to determine the NC/ND definition.

BoxRec has decided to record corner retirements as RTDs regardless what the reporting commissions call them for the sake of consistency and accuracy within the database. The same logic would be applied if NCs or NDs were registered according to Goldman's definition.

NCs are recorded as NC-NC, NDs as NC-ND. If the Goldman definition was applied throughout so that NCs and NDs were established as separate types of fights without decisions, NDs could be registered as ND-ND.