Dan Campbell Retires

[boxmel]

Why not take the tests at home? We know that officials would never, ever cheat! Even ones from California.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. 8)

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I hope they consider making use of the new web technology to put the event online.

Are you referring to TTT? Have you ever attended TTT? It would be extremely difficult to put 3 or 4 days of 8 hours a day coaches and officials sessions, and involvement in practical applications (i.e. refereeing, computer scoring), online.

Not really. It's not that hard. 32hrs. of video would take up a lot of space, but it wouldn't be that hard to put online at all. One of the problems as I see it is that unless you're one of the fortunate coaches/officials that has the MONEY and TIME to travel outside of your area - you really don't have ANY access to a lot of the great tools and programs offered. Putting the online would help give everyone access and make it extreme affordable to improve as a coach/official. I'm sure some of the instruction may not translate to video, but I think it's a start and it's better than not seeing or hearing anything at all.

[boxmel]

DCA - did you read the preceding? Part of TTT (for the officials) is practical refereeing instructions/situations done in the ring with boxers; Level 2 and 3 tests and actually scoring on the ESS. These would not be possible online.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

DCA - did you read the preceding? Part of TTT (for the officials) is practical refereeing instructions/situations done in the ring with boxers; Level 2 and 3 tests and actually scoring on the ESS. These would not be possible online.

Read?? For what?? It's much more fun to just skim and pick out key words and fill in the blanks. Definitely don't have the technology to do that. . . yet.

I would still watch the TTT if the video was available online. I'm sure that I would be able to gain something from it as far as general knowledge. I understand your point though.

[Dennis]

Periodic seminars on line would be helpful. Have doctors give info about health issues, injury prevention, and nutrition/diet information. Coaches could give seminars on training techniques, different exercises/drills and motivational tools.

[boxmel]

Periodic seminars on line would be helpful. Have doctors give info about health issues, injury prevention, and nutrition/diet information. Coaches could give seminars on training techniques, different exercises/drills and motivational tools.

Yes! Except how many coaches do you think would agree on the seminar material? Hmmmmmm???? "Now - young lady and you whippersnappers - let me tell you about the Golden Gloves champion I had in 1892......"

Hey - new smilies! JohnShep is getting creative! DD

[lukerunion]

oh my god, my brain just exploded. what if we put stuff online - as much has possible, and then we conduct practical application testing - like mailing the computer system in a box with fedex to each lbc where a debatably qualified person could conduct the further testing.
no that would never work, i retract my statement.

[boxmel]

no that would never work, i retract my statement.

You're correct. It wouldn't work. At approximately $5,000 each per system and no more than 12 trained (in the future) techs, this would not be a viable idea.

[Dennis]

I can't wait to see the new rules, the new ESS and new technology being used by USAB.

[lukerunion]

mel, mel, mel,

so quick to hitch your negativity to my sarcasm, are we?

how much does an ess really cost? I've heard between `1-2k, and now you say 5k? really? can you show me some documentation about this? I'll believe you when you do.

besides the cost - if we already own a few in CO, why not fedex it everywhere and then have people return it... and fedex it again.

and is it so complicated that there are only 12 elite people who can teach this in the US? am i missing the point of TTT, are you saying the new Trainers can't go out and train? why?

Lets get the education rolling and share the wealth of knowledge so that everyone who wants the information doesn't have to be able to afford a week off of work and airfare to CO. There is not reason, with today's technology that print materials can't be put online. There is no reason that in the near future, education - including ref/judge seminars can't be put on video online. It would be cost effective and mean everyone in the country got the same training. We might actually start to see some consistency if this happened - possibly. What if AIBA did it internationally?

IDeas, ideals, they come one and the same. but time and time again, you criticize and chastize new technology, new people, new ideas. Just because you aren't technologically savvy enough to put video on amateurboxing.com doesn't mean the usab staff couldn't do it if they wanted to.

Luke

[debc]

mel, mel, mel,

so quick to hitch your negativity to my sarcasm, are we?

how much does an ess really cost? I've heard between `1-2k, and now you say 5k? really? can you show me some documentation about this? I'll believe you when you do.

besides the cost - if we already own a few in CO, why not fedex it everywhere and then have people return it... and fedex it again.

and is it so complicated that there are only 12 elite people who can teach this in the US? am i missing the point of TTT, are you saying the new Trainers can't go out and train? why?

Lets get the education rolling and share the wealth of knowledge so that everyone who wants the information doesn't have to be able to afford a week off of work and airfare to CO. There is not reason, with today's technology that print materials can't be put online. There is no reason that in the near future, education - including ref/judge seminars can't be put on video online. It would be cost effective and mean everyone in the country got the same training. We might actually start to see some consistency if this happened - possibly. What if AIBA did it internationally?

IDeas, ideals, they come one and the same. but time and time again, you criticize and chastize new technology, new people, new ideas. Just because you aren't technologically savvy enough to put video on amateurboxing.com doesn't mean the usab staff couldn't do it if they wanted to.

Luke

I don't know you nor do you know me, however I have been reading your posts for the last several weeks and in my opinion your are far to disrespectful to your elders or maybe you are just a smarty pants!

[lukerunion]

a few things deb...

1. i've only been active here a few days, not weeks.

2. the consensus here is that usaboxing doesn't want this blog hosted on their own site because the criticism would be far too great a threat to the organization. all of a sudden I am questioning and criticizing the nonsensical rhetoric here and i'm DISRESPECTFUL?! wow... talk about hypocritical.

3. there are people i like here and there is mel, who i think is ridiculous at times with her rumor mill, hateful emails, and bias. even if mel asked me to bring an 'athlete issue' to an aac meeting, i'd bring it up, but she has no real substance to give me that is applicable to the purpose of the AAC. i have enough respect for her time put into usa boxing that i think she deserves to be heard, as does EVERYONE ELSE, through the proper channels, and we all have freedom of speech here.

4. if you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen

[boxmel]

Luke, Luke, Luke

so quick to hitch your negativity to my sarcasm, are we?

Are you admitting to being sarcastic? There was no way I could determine whether or not you were being sarcastic so I answered your post.

how much does an ess really cost? I've heard between `1-2k, and now you say 5k? really? can you show me some documentation about this? I'll believe you when you do.

(1) When I was at the U.S. Championships this year I was told that the system itself is $3,000 and the laptop to run it on is another $2,000, and (2) Why don't YOU check into these areas before you spout off? Call Jeff Steffen if you want your own answer.

besides the cost - if we already own a few in CO, why not fedex it everywhere and then have people return it... and fedex it again.

We own three. And I doubt seriously that USA Boxing would Fedex it all over the country except when being used for national tournaments. The old ESS was never sent except to national tournaments. And I imagine Fedexing a 50 Lb. box would be quite expensive.

and is it so complicated that there are only 12 elite people who can teach this in the US? am i missing the point of TTT, are you saying the new Trainers can't go out and train? why?

Yes, it is so complicated that, at this moment, only 4 people are trained on how to run it and another 12 will be put through a tech training class. TTT does NOT train computer techs. It is for coaches and officials. I really, really wish you would get your information straight before you post about what you don't know and then get pissed at me for correcting you. I don't post negativity, Luke, I post knowledge when I have it.

There is no reason that in the near future, education - including ref/judge seminars can't be put on video online.

No, there isn't. But there is also no way you can work in the ring with a referee or help a judge on a video.

IDeas, ideals, they come one and the same. but time and time again, you criticize and chastize new technology, new people, new ideas. Just because you aren't technologically savvy enough to put video on amateurboxing.com doesn't mean the usab staff couldn't do it if they wanted to.

Why in the hell would I want to put a video on my web site? What for? I really think you need to take a deep breath - actually several of them - and calm down. I am NOT personally attacking you. However, I am also NOT going to buy the party BS hook, line and sinker. And I think you would come out better in our skirmishes IF you got your facts together before posting. I don't mind discussing ideas with people who take the time to research what they are talking about. You need to do more of this.

and we all have freedom of speech here.

Then stop being negative about people like me who exercise freedom of speech here. Just because someone takes you to task in a discussion does not make them a bad person. And you are not the only athlete rep, Luke. I have had long discussions with another athlete rep about the state of USA Boxing.

[debc]

a few things deb...

1. i've only been active here a few days, not weeks.

2. the consensus here is that usaboxing doesn't want this blog hosted on their own site because the criticism would be far too great a threat to the organization. all of a sudden I am questioning and criticizing the nonsensical rhetoric here and i'm DISRESPECTFUL?! wow... talk about hypocritical.

3. there are people i like here and there is mel, who i think is ridiculous at times with her rumor mill, hateful emails, and bias. even if mel asked me to bring an 'athlete issue' to an aac meeting, i'd bring it up, but she has no real substance to give me that is applicable to the purpose of the AAC. i have enough respect for her time put into usa boxing that i think she deserves to be heard, as does EVERYONE ELSE, through the proper channels, and we all have freedom of speech here.

4. if you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen

Luke, Obviously my comment went right over your head. As a parent I would be ashamed if my Son's spoke in the matter that you do to people two and three times your age who possess wisdom and experience. This has nothing to do with your topics or opinions or the fact you participate in this forum. It is about your attitude and rudeness towards others that I know are your elders.

[Dennis]

Respect is for all and the personal attacks should be limited. Lets try to keep the forum a place where people enjoy spending time discussing topics related to amateur boxing.

[lukerunion]

Mel, et al,

I don't have to know everything about ESS or the current method to know that it could be done cheaper and more effectively. That much I know. Mailing a 50lb box would still cost less than airfare for 10+ people to CO. That is my point. You doubt it will happen - based on your previous experience - and I understand that. I'm coming in with no experience on TTT and a clean slate - open to the idea that we can make it better. I have the impression that you assume it is the best the way it always was, and I disagree. You confuse an abundance of knowledge - which I know you have - with wisdom - the application of knowledge. They are not one and the same. Yes I am young and know I have a lot to learn, but frustrated already that my energy will be slowed down not by the ability to succeed, by naysayers who have their own idea of what is right - and are unwilling to compromise and make ends meet in a common goal.

Dennis, Deb,

My posts have been increasingly harsh towards Mel, and I'll try to take a chill pill since it seems to bother both of you. If you want to know why - it has nothing to do with the verbiage on here. I was forwarded an email a few days ago where she sent Roberto Luna's letter to Aaron Alafa's father - Aaron is on the AAC, so that Aaron could bring it to the BOD/AAC's attention instead of myself, after I stated on here I would. This was then spammed to a lot of people with her words saying Krysti Rosario and myself don't have much of a Brain and probably couldn't handle bring the letter up. I don't appreciate having a message of such sent out to people who don't even know me saying I don't have a brain. So Mel, I will never trust you and we will never be friends. I can leave it at that and do my best to have real discussion if I ever really do need your help.

[boxmel]

So Mel, I will never trust you and we will never be friends. I can leave it at that and do my best to have real discussion if I ever really do need your help.

The feeling is mutual, Luke. I haven't trusted you since you went out of your way to get me pulled from being a computer tech at the Western Trials last year and when you pirated the Trials video on YouTube. We have never been friends nor do I need you as a friend nor do I want you as a friend. You are not the only athlete rep for USA Boxing and I find it rather silly that you are demanding that ALL information and ideas go through you. I also found out that I have to be very careful with people I have known for years to not say anything that may or may not get forwarded even though the email was private. Oh well, live and learn. And, by the way, rather than getting increasingly harsh on this forum, why didn't you just blast me in an email like Krysti did? I also think you are very confused over what happens at TTT. That issue, and ideas for, have nothing to do with the ESS system and training to run. The people attending TTT get the chance to actually "push the buttons" on a system so they get the idea of what the judges do and see when computer scoring. I am not disproving new ideas - I'm just not agreeing with yours that the ESS can be shipped to all 57 LBCs for TTT purposes.

but frustrated already that my energy will be slowed down not by the ability to succeed, by naysayers who have their own idea of what is right - and are unwilling to compromise and make ends meet in a common goal.

The discussions have gone on way before you knew about USA Boxing and will continue way after you are gone. Naysayers will always be around, as they should be, and just because people don't agree with your particular point of view doesn't mean change won't happen. For instance, why should I compromise with you, or any one else, if I honestly don't believe what you are proposing will work? You, personally, have done more "harsh" with me than actual dialog that may or may not produce something workable.

Aaron is on the AAC, so that Aaron could bring it to the BOD/AAC's attention instead of myself, after I stated on here I would.

You need to learn to not get your feelings hurt when people go to others. Since you don't trust me and we'll never be friends, why in the world would I have any direct discussions with you to bring to the AAC? I'll continue to involve myself in discussions on this forum. You can do what you want with the information. However, this is the last "harsh" post I will make directly to you and would prefer that you didn't take the time or space to answer here. Your emotional and intellectual well-being has already taken up too much time and space.

[lukerunion]

I'm not asking all info go through me! I'm asking for stuff I can bring to the table. Everyone else gets theirs elsewhere, I suppose.

I didn't go out of my way to get you off the western trials and am not sure what you're talking about there - but i'm sure you'll enlighten me. i admit i was in the wrong with the video, but thankfully, you went out of your way to report it. it did add to some good discussion and most were disappointed it disappeared from here.

TTT and ESS may not coincide completely as programs - or be feasible right now to implement my idea. But if my idea could be better - ultimately - which i believe it could be - to get info to the entire country and not the select few - what are the intermediate steps to get there - this is the knowledge and experience i lack. I ask this forum to see my end goal and get it there. if you can't see the potential, i think you lack foresight. If my end goal is skewed, tell me why we should let the knowledge remain in the hands of a few - and not get the entire nation on the same page.

Without TTT, lets talk ESS. So currently, 3 systems is not enough for my idea. Lets say we increase to 10, and in 6 weeks covering 6 weekends, we train every lbc. So we rotate from the 12 people who are trained to travel on those weekends, paid expense. Lets say we train 10 people at every session, minimum. Now we have 570 + 12 trained ESS techs, and your number on the rotation gets a little more competitive to do national/international events. Is that the real concern you have? that your number might be pulled less often - considering how much you love to make your presence known around the country? From my proposal, the cost of training 570 people is exponentially lower than having all of them fly to CO. This is the type of cost effectiveness I want to see. Did I strike a nerve or am I completely amiss? I don't really know, I might just be too inexperienced and immature.

Mel, one day you'll go down in history as the biggest naysayer of USAB. Some legacy, huh? I hope nobody follows your footsteps. People like you detract from the program, not add to it, contrary to your personal belief. There is enough room on the internet for all my space and yours. Maybe you want me to stop because you can't handle the TRUTH. You prefer a world of gossip and lies... I wish you would be remembered for all the good work you've probably done at events because I doubt you'd still be around if you weren't good at it (assumption). However, your legacy is overshadowed by the fact that you're a miser of sorts.

[boxmel]

Without TTT, lets talk ESS. So currently, 3 systems is not enough for my idea. Lets say we increase to 10, and in 6 weeks covering 6 weekends, we train every lbc. So we rotate from the 12 people who are trained to travel on those weekends, paid expense. Lets say we train 10 people at every session, minimum. Now we have 570 + 12 trained ESS techs, and your number on the rotation gets a little more competitive to do national/international events. Is that the real concern you have? that your number might be pulled less often - considering how much you love to make your presence known around the country?

Because you are unable to ask me questions without bringing it to a personal level, please address this training idea to either Enrique Orci, the national COO, or Angel Villarreal, the chair of the ESS committee. I am not here to justify my existence or what I do, in or out of amateur boxing, to you or anyone else.

[lukerunion]

I will bring it up to them, and I'm satisfied you finally shut up and don't claim to have all the answers, which nobody does.

[boxmel]

I will bring it up to them, and I'm satisfied you finally shut up and don't claim to have all the answers, which nobody does.

I do have the answers to your preceding question. I just don't choose to answer some kid who doesn't know how to debate intelligently, is extremely needy, and hasn't a clue on the meaning of respect.

[lukerunion]

Well once again you bring up where we differ in philosophy, Mel. You see, debate doesn't bring about change. It assumes two different sides, and argues for and against. Presidential debates are going to unify democrats and republicans. But in the world of USAB, we need less debate and more discussion. You are right, I don't debate well while I'm trying to discuss things, and I lose patience when people start debating while I'm trying to have intelligent discussion. We're all on the same team, believe it or not. You want to be right, and in your own world/mind, you always will be.

Kid/Needy/Respect? Grandma, I'd ask you to teach me some manners, but you haven't any yourself.