WHAT AMATEUR BOXER.........?

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I agree with that definitely...in workouts with my boxers the stop watch is used VERY OFTEN.

[squarering]

If the test bag does test anything, it test the difference of how hard a boxer can punch under perfect conditions and how wide that difference can be in actual conditions. You'd be better to beat on a butchered pig. At least if you broke the ribs with a body shot, that's real. Which may be the answer. USA Boxing could invest in a slaughter house and have the team work out there. They have a real test bag on the boardwalk of Ocean City MD. One of those bags that hang down like a speed bag and you pay to hit it. then it registers if you are "wuss" or a "killer". I think USAB could have bought one of those for a lot less, and even made some money with it to boot.

[lukerunion]

best 2 dollars i ever spent!

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I know people who could register very high on a BAG...but in an actual ring against a live opponent they wouldnt have the power to dent a grape. Its just the way it is

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I know people who could register very high on a BAG...but in an actual ring against a live opponent they wouldnt have the power to dent a grape. Its just the way it is

Ok, I have one question or rather real world example. We regularly have our boxers throw straight punches (on mitts) for 3 straight rounds with a rest in between. We even have another boxer count the punches with a clicker. The goal is to build up their endurance and have them work through fatigue. The reason we count is that we can tell 1) If they consistently throw the same number of punches, more punches or less punches from round to round 2) how many punches they can through compared to each other and 3) compare the number they through from one session to the next. What does this mean during the actual bout? Nothing. I don't expect and haven't seen any boxer throw hundreds of punches like they do during workout. As everyone knows, there are too many variables. Does that mean that I shouldn't count (meausure) the number of punches thrown in each round? If it doesn't carry over to the fight what's the point? The point is items 1), 2) and 3) above. It is a measured to quantify the number of punches.

So, my point is, why doesn't anyone see any value in measuring strength even though I agree that it doesn't mean anything as far as predicting how much power a boxer will have during competition. It is a control, a baseline, a starting point and method of measurement. Am I the only one who sees a problem with judging the power or increase in power of a boxer with your eyes only?

Somebody please help me out here . . . am I that far off my rocker

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Well, for me, I dont believe that the machines they use are accurate. I think they are very misleading...also, I like the drill u do, we do the same one...but...I dont count the punches..I mean, in a drill like that it doesnt matter much if a guy is throwing 300, 400, or even 500....it is better in my eyes for him to just keep punching, whatever it is it is going to be a lot...have him keep punching as straight and consistent as possible WITH power behind the punches. That will cause more burn in his shoulders and that is exactly what you are trying to build a resistance to...not throw a lot of punches, that drill (in my opinion, the way I do it) is to buld up a resistace to the burn that accompanies it. It doesnt matter if someone gets tired...it matters if and how quickly he can get oiver that burn and resume punching.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Well, for me, I dont believe that the machines they use are accurate. I think they are very misleading...also, I like the drill u do, we do the same one...but...I dont count the punches..I mean, in a drill like that it doesnt matter much if a guy is throwing 300, 400, or even 500....it is better in my eyes for him to just keep punching, whatever it is it is going to be a lot...have him keep punching as straight and consistent as possible WITH power behind the punches. That will cause more burn in his shoulders and that is exactly what you are trying to build a resistance to...not throw a lot of punches, that drill (in my opinion, the way I do it) is to buld up a resistace to the burn that accompanies it. It doesnt matter if someone gets tired...it matters if and how quickly he can get oiver that burn and resume punching.

Gotcha. Makes sense to me. The only reason we started counting is that are younger guys were more motivated with the competition. For example I had a boxer who swore that he was doing his best (but I knew better) and we didn't push him. But as soon as he saw the other boxers doing higher punch counts and bragging about having the 'title' they created among themselves - the next time he went (his third time) - his punch count went up by two hundreds punches in the round. So far, most of the kids have steadily increased their output each time they do it and I can tell that they are really trying their hardest because they want to have the highest numbers for the day. Thanks for the feedback. . .