No Decision States

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 08 Feb 2002, 12:28

Barry, in case you do not already know, and for your project in creating a list of "No Decision" states, I saw a contemporary newspaper article the other day: A boxing bill calling for decision bouts in Wisconsin passed the state senate May 31, 1927. Whether it ultimately became law that year I do not know. But it lets us know that Wisconsin was a ND state at this time.
Ric

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 06 Mar 2002, 14:26

Maine's decisions prior to 1939 were no decision bouts

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 09 Mar 2002, 16:32

I have seen a number of pre-1939 Maine bouts recorded as decisions - some of which I entered awhile back. If I come across any of these in the future (both new and already-entered), I will amend them to NDs. ric

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 10 Mar 2002, 16:23

True? Bouts held between 1911 and 1920 in NY state under the Frawley Law could be only exhibitions and that no decisions were rendered? The A-Z of World Boxing by Bert Blewett (1996) at p. 129.

Also, during 1929, which states were ND states? It appears to me they were Indiana, Maine, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Arkansas, too? Others?

ric

Ric · Post by **Ric** » 10 Mar 2002, 20:39

What about Iowa and Nebraska during this period? Mike? Brett?

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Ric · Post by **Ric** » 17 Mar 2002, 18:39

From Mike:
Maine: Prior to Sep 15, 1939, all bouts are ND.

Sioux City, Iowa: ND up until the early 1930s. (The entire state, Mike, or just this city?)

And: Up to at least November 1930 Alabama was also a No Decision state (Source: THE RING, Nov. 1930, p. 60, column 2, regarding the Battling Bozo-Maxie Rosembloom bout.)

Also, FYI: During the 1920s prize-fighting was illegal in Washington state. State law did permit "Boxing exhibitions between members of clubs for entertainment of other members." Thus, virtually all bouts in the state were usually held in the various American Legion posts and athletic clubs for their "members." Anyone wishing to witness a match was required to obtain a membership card and levied an assessment for the seat. I have yet to discover when boxing was legalized. I'll find the answer one of these days.

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delisa · Post by **delisa** » 19 Mar 2002, 17:05

I am not sure yet about Nebraska and "no decision bouts" HOWEVER in my notebooks I found that in 1917 a bill to legalize boxing in NE was defeated; boxing, apparently, wasn't legalized until shortly before the Ron Stander- Joe Frazier bout in Omaha, NE in 1972!

I have some newspaper clippings detailing how the NE legislature rushed through a bill to legalize boxing so they could tax Stander and Frazier!

What NE was doing between 1917 and 1972 is another story!

Now, re the Amercian legion bouts -- I seem to recollect that there was a separate law, possibly a FEDERAL law, that governed boxing in those venues.

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Ric · Post by **Ric** » 05 May 2002, 17:20

Bump! (There are some 1930 Alabama bouts entered as decisions.)

Ric · Post by **Ric** » 24 May 2002, 20:41

I was reading some early 1922 newspapers. One made a specific mention that Nebraska WAS a decision state at the time. I think it was Benny Leonard or someone wanted to fight a ND-bout there, but the Boxing Commission explicitly told him it was to go to a decision or nothing at all.

Ric · Post by **Ric** » 26 May 2002, 13:25

It appears that by at least 1930 Kentucky was still a ND-state. (I thinks I have entered dozens of Louisville bouts prior to this time with verdicts. Ooops!)

No Decision States

Nebraska = Decision State

Kentucky: 1930