Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Hap
Did you run with any of the fighters in San Diego? Archie Moore,Bob Murphy,Lee Ramage. Some of the younger ones. The Norris brothers,James Kinchen,Kenny Norton.If so any stories? Thanks Roger

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Al Capone


"Big Al"

By Diego

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Ingemar Johansson


"Ingo"

By Diego

[Dongee]

Mr. "D";

I answered ;you at length and submitted the answer. It appeared momentarily and then Poof...it disappeared. Hope this one takes root.

I called Lee Ramage the Friday before he died on a Sunday to make a date for the following week. He took a tumble on Saturday, was operated on quickly (hip) and did not survive the procedure. He was one of my favorites as a kid and I wanted to let him know that.

I saw Archie Moore about a year before he died. We happened to be at a San Diego Hospital at the time. I walked up to him and said "You probably don't remember me but you still owe me a fight." I explained that his manager at the time, Charlie Johnson, had signed a contact for him to appear at the Legion Stadium. Due to a series of circumstances the fight never happened. He smiled broadly and offered to bump fists and that was it. He was to fight Frankie Daniels for me and the two got together later, elsewhere.

I saw Bob Murphy and his manager Travis Hatfield quite often when we were building him up at the Legion Stadium along with Harry Kid Matthews. Before they could box for us they both went east and had their showdown there, and for lot more cash than we could have paid. Hatfield and his family owned a sporting goods store in San Diego. The city's proximity to the Mexican border
helped supply him with a large number of Mexican talent for years.
Other than seeing them on the street from time to time, I had no truck with the new batch of fighters from the area.

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Tom
That's the one I had in mind. You'll note on his record that he boxed at Taft a few times. It seems Jeffries was involved with the Taft enterprise in some way, because I believe he refereed a few shows there, too.

If you can research some of the amateur shows held in the LA area back in the 1930s--40s. some of the boys listed as respresenting Jeffries' Barn were most likely handled in part by Jim in the pro ranks. I used to have a listing of them, somewhere, but today....quien sabe? All of them were white.

About the Kennedy...... angle you had asked me that on the CBZ and I didn't know the answer then.

Can I ask what you are planning to do with your research on Jeffries? I can offer one little tidbit that I was going to use in one of my long awaited (by me, of course) books.

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Thanks Hap. I forgot that I had asked you before about the Les Kennedy-Joe Kennedy connection.

I'm planning to write a biography on Jeffries. I just finished three days of research at the SF Library, and I have a bit to do at the University of Missouri newpaper archives - mostly tracking down a few odds and ends. I would be happy to have any information you can share!!

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Tom:

That's Shirley Temple, whose brother George was an LA area wrestler in my time.

hap

Nope. Any other guesses?

[dagosd2000]

Mr. "D";

I answered ;you at length and submitted the answer. It appeared momentarily and then Poof...it disappeared. Hope this one takes root.

I called Lee Ramage the Friday before he died on a Sunday to make a date for the following week. He took a tumble on Saturday, was operated on quickly (hip) and did not survive the procedure. He was one of my favorites as a kid and I wanted to let him know that.

I saw Archie Moore about a year before he died. We happened to be at a San Diego Hospital at the time. I walked up to him and said "You probably don't remember me but you still owe me a fight." I explained that his manager at the time, Charlie Johnson, had signed a contact for him to appear at the Legion Stadium. Due to a series of circumstances the fight never happened. He smiled broadly and offered to bump fists and that was it. He was to fight Frankie Daniels for me and the two got together later, elsewhere.

I saw Bob Murphy and his manager Travis Hatfield quite often when we were building him up at the Legion Stadium along with Harry Kid Matthews. Before they could box for us they both went east and had their showdown there, and for lot more cash than we could have paid. Hatfield and his family owned a sporting goods store in San Diego. The city's proximity to the Mexican border
helped supply him with a large number of Mexican talent for years.
Other than seeing them on the street from time to time, I had no truck with the new batch of fighters from the area.

hap navarro

Hap
Much appreciated for your memories. I've shared my Mongoose stories on the thread. I used to pal with Lee Ramage's nephew. Met the old boy a few times. Told me about his fights with Joe Louis. As far as Murphy,he started out as an amateur with a fella' by the name of George Radovich here in San Diego before he hooked up with Hatfield. I never knew the Irishman. Before my time. But Hap,to hear thost old timers talk about Murphy and Hatfield were priceless. Posted a few of those tales on the thread.

BTW,mi esposa es de Michoacan. Tu,y Yo(Soy Italiano),y Francisco. I think we pulled up even with those Irishmen. You got to get to our table Nov. 15th. We'll get those paddy's drinkin' tequila. Tu amigo Rogelio

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Tom
That's the one I had in mind. You'll note on his record that he boxed at Taft a few times. It seems Jeffries was involved with the Taft enterprise in some way, because I believe he refereed a few shows there, too.

If you can research some of the amateur shows held in the LA area back in the 1930s--40s. some of the boys listed as respresenting Jeffries' Barn were most likely handled in part by Jim in the pro ranks. I used to have a listing of them, somewhere, but today....quien sabe? All of them were white.

About the Kennedy...... angle you had asked me that on the CBZ and I didn't know the answer then.

Can I ask what you are planning to do with your research on Jeffries? I can offer one little tidbit that I was going to use in one of my long awaited (by me, of course) books.

hap navarro

Thanks Hap. I forgot that I had asked you before about the Les Kennedy-Joe Kennedy connection.

I'm planning to write a biography on Jeffries. I just finished three days of research at the SF Library, and I have a bit to do at the University of Missouri newpaper archives - mostly tracking down a few odds and ends. I would be happy to have any information you can share!!

Hey Tom
Did you catch my painting of Jeff that Frank posted awhile back? Remenber the cover of your book? Rog

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“War A Week” Don Chargin: A Look at the Promoter & Matchmaker
By Dan Hernandez
Ringside Report

I remembered Don Chargin walking down the aisles of the historic Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles, California; he was the matchmaker for Aileen Eaton from 1964 until 1984. He and Aileen would make their way to ringside and always greeted the cheering fans with smiles, handshakes and an exuberance that permeated the entire arena. Born in 1928, Don has that same enthusiasm today that he had then. He began boxing in high school when an injury kept him from moving forward as a fighter and switched his attentions to working as a boxing coach and developing all the knowledge he could about the sport. This was undoubtedly a stroke of good fortune to the boxing community as few boxers reach and maintain the heights of this business as Chargin has been able to accomplish.

Chargin found his calling as a matchmaker and promoter, promoting his first fight at the tender age of 23 on September 3, 1951. The fight, featuring Eddie Chavez versus Manuel Ortiz, was a rousing success and established a blueprint for matching top, equally skilled talent that gave him his nickname: “War A Week” Chargin. Don has promoted such fights as Bobo Olson vs. Paddy Young, Jerry Quarry vs. Jimmy Young, Joey Giambra vs. Chico Vejar and some of the best fighters of their day, such as: Bobby Chacon, Mando Ramos, Danny Lopez, Pete Ranzany, Carlos Palomino, Tony Lopez, and so many others.

Don Chargin was inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 2001 and made an acceptance speech that I will share a little of here: “…It’s a real pleasure to be voted into the Hall, especially with some of the fighters I’ve used on many occasions. Ismael Laguna won his lightweight title under our promotion when he beat Mando Ramos. That was I think, 1970. Wherever I go, I’m asked over all these years, what was my favorite fight that you put on, the fight that got you the most excited. I can say gentlemen right here that is going in, Ultiminio “Sugar” Ramos, when he fought Mando Ramos at the Olympic Auditorium. It was the greatest fight I’ve ever seen. They started toe-to-toe in the first 10 seconds and they went all the way. I have a picture at home, when the fight was over, they are leaning on each other, with a big embrace, holding each other up, and they are both cut above and below both eyes. I’ve never seen anything like it. The Olympic Auditorium held 10,400 people and that night we had better than 13,000 people there. We closed circuited it to five theaters and finally Aileen Eaton, who I was associated with at the time, put a closed circuit camera and showed it free on the side of the building. There was nobody who paid their money for that fight who didn’t get value received. And Sugar Ramos was one of the best.

When you come to things like this, it was nice to see Lou Duva, Mickey Duff, Gil Clancy, and Angelo Dundee. We run into each other once in a while but yesterday I renewed acquaintances with a fighter who fought for me over 40 years ago, a television favorite at the time, it was great to see him looking so good, I have nothing but admiration for Joe Miceli.

Now anybody that knows Don Chargin productions, of our operation…things have been going pretty good the last ten, twelve years. Everybody knows that I’m a terrible, terrible details person. I love to make the matches, but my wife does all the work….I’m not saying anything that everybody doesn’t know. She’s been doing this for 40 years, and I think we have a great, great team. I wish Lorraine would stand up. So that’s about all I have to say except that it’s nice to come to Canastota and see all these great, great champions and great friends. Thank you very much.”

The boxing world has lost so many of these outstanding fighters recently, among them, Mando Ramos and Joe Miceli, that I felt it was timely to share such a heartfelt and gracious acknowledgement from someone as well respected and admired as Don Chargin. Don seems to be going stronger than ever, traveling across the country with his beloved wife, Lorraine by his side. Beside his company, Don is also a consultant for Golden Boy Productions and an avid fan and friend of Oscar De La Hoya. Long-time friend and associate of Don Chargin, RSR reader and California Boxing Hall of Fame resident, Frank Baltazar, was instrumental in arranging this communication and I want to take this opportunity to thank him once again for his continued support. Frank also provided me with a DVD tape of the Sugar Ramos versus Mando Ramos fight and it was extraordinary. I am quite pleased to have this film in my library.

When Golden Boy Promotions extended their relationship with Hall of Fame matchmaker and promoter, Don Chargin, the president of Golden Boy, Oscar De La Hoya stated that, “Golden Boy Promotions is fortunate to have Don Chargin, the best in the business, as part of our team.” Chargin added, “ I have been involved in the sport of boxing for over fifty years….never have I seen a group of people, under the leadership of Oscar De La Hoya, which so diligently executes the business plan they set out to implement a few years ago. The rise of Golden Boy Promotions will go down in the history books of boxing as the turning point in the sport. Oscar’s main focus is to bring the sport back, give it visibility and be true to the fighters and the fight fans. I am proud to be part of Golden Boy and intend to be with Oscar and his team for many years to come.” That should be a long time as Don, now 80 years young, has the energy and drive that put most of us younger folk, to shame.

Don simply loves what he does and has dedicated himself to remain focused and true to his chosen profession. Chargin humbly expounded on his successful marriage and the lifelong love of boxing that he and Lorraine have been able to share. It appears to have been his greatest job of matchmaking and most enduring promotion.

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[Randyman]

Jeff as Santa. Can anyone identify the young lady on the left (Jeff's right)?[/quote]
Tom, I might be way off but is that a young Marilyn Monroe aka Norma Jean?

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The Docusen's

[raylawpc]

“War A Week” Don Chargin: A Look at the Promoter & Matchmaker
By Dan Hernandez
Ringside Report

I remembered Don Chargin walking down the aisles of the historic Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles, California; he was the matchmaker for Aileen Eaton from 1964 until 1984. He and Aileen would make their way to ringside and always greeted the cheering fans with smiles, handshakes and an exuberance that permeated the entire arena. Born in 1928, Don has that same enthusiasm today that he had then. He began boxing in high school when an injury kept him from moving forward as a fighter and switched his attentions to working as a boxing coach and developing all the knowledge he could about the sport. This was undoubtedly a stroke of good fortune to the boxing community as few boxers reach and maintain the heights of this business as Chargin has been able to accomplish.

Chargin found his calling as a matchmaker and promoter, promoting his first fight at the tender age of 23 on September 3, 1951. The fight, featuring Eddie Chavez versus Manuel Ortiz, was a rousing success and established a blueprint for matching top, equally skilled talent that gave him his nickname: “War A Week” Chargin. Don has promoted such fights as Bobo Olson vs. Paddy Young, Jerry Quarry vs. Jimmy Young, Joey Giambra vs. Chico Vejar and some of the best fighters of their day, such as: Bobby Chacon, Mando Ramos, Danny Lopez, Pete Ranzany, Carlos Palomino, Tony Lopez, and so many others.

Don Chargin was inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 2001 and made an acceptance speech that I will share a little of here: “…It’s a real pleasure to be voted into the Hall, especially with some of the fighters I’ve used on many occasions. Ismael Laguna won his lightweight title under our promotion when he beat Mando Ramos. That was I think, 1970. Wherever I go, I’m asked over all these years, what was my favorite fight that you put on, the fight that got you the most excited. I can say gentlemen right here that is going in, Ultiminio “Sugar” Ramos, when he fought Mando Ramos at the Olympic Auditorium. It was the greatest fight I’ve ever seen. They started toe-to-toe in the first 10 seconds and they went all the way. I have a picture at home, when the fight was over, they are leaning on each other, with a big embrace, holding each other up, and they are both cut above and below both eyes. I’ve never seen anything like it. The Olympic Auditorium held 10,400 people and that night we had better than 13,000 people there. We closed circuited it to five theaters and finally Aileen Eaton, who I was associated with at the time, put a closed circuit camera and showed it free on the side of the building. There was nobody who paid their money for that fight who didn’t get value received. And Sugar Ramos was one of the best.

When you come to things like this, it was nice to see Lou Duva, Mickey Duff, Gil Clancy, and Angelo Dundee. We run into each other once in a while but yesterday I renewed acquaintances with a fighter who fought for me over 40 years ago, a television favorite at the time, it was great to see him looking so good, I have nothing but admiration for Joe Miceli.

Now anybody that knows Don Chargin productions, of our operation…things have been going pretty good the last ten, twelve years. Everybody knows that I’m a terrible, terrible details person. I love to make the matches, but my wife does all the work….I’m not saying anything that everybody doesn’t know. She’s been doing this for 40 years, and I think we have a great, great team. I wish Lorraine would stand up. So that’s about all I have to say except that it’s nice to come to Canastota and see all these great, great champions and great friends. Thank you very much.”

The boxing world has lost so many of these outstanding fighters recently, among them, Mando Ramos and Joe Miceli, that I felt it was timely to share such a heartfelt and gracious acknowledgement from someone as well respected and admired as Don Chargin. Don seems to be going stronger than ever, traveling across the country with his beloved wife, Lorraine by his side. Beside his company, Don is also a consultant for Golden Boy Productions and an avid fan and friend of Oscar De La Hoya. Long-time friend and associate of Don Chargin, RSR reader and California Boxing Hall of Fame resident, Frank Baltazar, was instrumental in arranging this communication and I want to take this opportunity to thank him once again for his continued support. Frank also provided me with a DVD tape of the Sugar Ramos versus Mando Ramos fight and it was extraordinary. I am quite pleased to have this film in my library.

When Golden Boy Promotions extended their relationship with Hall of Fame matchmaker and promoter, Don Chargin, the president of Golden Boy, Oscar De La Hoya stated that, “Golden Boy Promotions is fortunate to have Don Chargin, the best in the business, as part of our team.” Chargin added, “ I have been involved in the sport of boxing for over fifty years….never have I seen a group of people, under the leadership of Oscar De La Hoya, which so diligently executes the business plan they set out to implement a few years ago. The rise of Golden Boy Promotions will go down in the history books of boxing as the turning point in the sport. Oscar’s main focus is to bring the sport back, give it visibility and be true to the fighters and the fight fans. I am proud to be part of Golden Boy and intend to be with Oscar and his team for many years to come.” That should be a long time as Don, now 80 years young, has the energy and drive that put most of us younger folk, to shame.

Don simply loves what he does and has dedicated himself to remain focused and true to his chosen profession. Chargin humbly expounded on his successful marriage and the lifelong love of boxing that he and Lorraine have been able to share. It appears to have been his greatest job of matchmaking and most enduring promotion.

Great article, but Jerry Quarry never fought Jimmy Young.

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Photo and caption courtesy of Diego


Diamond Joe's wedding, 1912, Chicago

The Don of Chicago and his new wife. He was 44. My grandmother,16.

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“War A Week” Don Chargin: A Look at the Promoter & Matchmaker
By Dan Hernandez
Ringside Report

I remembered Don Chargin walking down the aisles of the historic Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles, California; he was the matchmaker for Aileen Eaton from 1964 until 1984. He and Aileen would make their way to ringside and always greeted the cheering fans with smiles, handshakes and an exuberance that permeated the entire arena. Born in 1928, Don has that same enthusiasm today that he had then. He began boxing in high school when an injury kept him from moving forward as a fighter and switched his attentions to working as a boxing coach and developing all the knowledge he could about the sport. This was undoubtedly a stroke of good fortune to the boxing community as few boxers reach and maintain the heights of this business as Chargin has been able to accomplish.

Chargin found his calling as a matchmaker and promoter, promoting his first fight at the tender age of 23 on September 3, 1951. The fight, featuring Eddie Chavez versus Manuel Ortiz, was a rousing success and established a blueprint for matching top, equally skilled talent that gave him his nickname: “War A Week” Chargin. Don has promoted such fights as Bobo Olson vs. Paddy Young, Jerry Quarry vs. Jimmy Young, Joey Giambra vs. Chico Vejar and some of the best fighters of their day, such as: Bobby Chacon, Mando Ramos, Danny Lopez, Pete Ranzany, Carlos Palomino, Tony Lopez, and so many others.

Don Chargin was inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 2001 and made an acceptance speech that I will share a little of here: “…It’s a real pleasure to be voted into the Hall, especially with some of the fighters I’ve used on many occasions. Ismael Laguna won his lightweight title under our promotion when he beat Mando Ramos. That was I think, 1970. Wherever I go, I’m asked over all these years, what was my favorite fight that you put on, the fight that got you the most excited. I can say gentlemen right here that is going in, Ultiminio “Sugar” Ramos, when he fought Mando Ramos at the Olympic Auditorium. It was the greatest fight I’ve ever seen. They started toe-to-toe in the first 10 seconds and they went all the way. I have a picture at home, when the fight was over, they are leaning on each other, with a big embrace, holding each other up, and they are both cut above and below both eyes. I’ve never seen anything like it. The Olympic Auditorium held 10,400 people and that night we had better than 13,000 people there. We closed circuited it to five theaters and finally Aileen Eaton, who I was associated with at the time, put a closed circuit camera and showed it free on the side of the building. There was nobody who paid their money for that fight who didn’t get value received. And Sugar Ramos was one of the best.

When you come to things like this, it was nice to see Lou Duva, Mickey Duff, Gil Clancy, and Angelo Dundee. We run into each other once in a while but yesterday I renewed acquaintances with a fighter who fought for me over 40 years ago, a television favorite at the time, it was great to see him looking so good, I have nothing but admiration for Joe Miceli.

Now anybody that knows Don Chargin productions, of our operation…things have been going pretty good the last ten, twelve years. Everybody knows that I’m a terrible, terrible details person. I love to make the matches, but my wife does all the work….I’m not saying anything that everybody doesn’t know. She’s been doing this for 40 years, and I think we have a great, great team. I wish Lorraine would stand up. So that’s about all I have to say except that it’s nice to come to Canastota and see all these great, great champions and great friends. Thank you very much.”

The boxing world has lost so many of these outstanding fighters recently, among them, Mando Ramos and Joe Miceli, that I felt it was timely to share such a heartfelt and gracious acknowledgement from someone as well respected and admired as Don Chargin. Don seems to be going stronger than ever, traveling across the country with his beloved wife, Lorraine by his side. Beside his company, Don is also a consultant for Golden Boy Productions and an avid fan and friend of Oscar De La Hoya. Long-time friend and associate of Don Chargin, RSR reader and California Boxing Hall of Fame resident, Frank Baltazar, was instrumental in arranging this communication and I want to take this opportunity to thank him once again for his continued support. Frank also provided me with a DVD tape of the Sugar Ramos versus Mando Ramos fight and it was extraordinary. I am quite pleased to have this film in my library.

When Golden Boy Promotions extended their relationship with Hall of Fame matchmaker and promoter, Don Chargin, the president of Golden Boy, Oscar De La Hoya stated that, “Golden Boy Promotions is fortunate to have Don Chargin, the best in the business, as part of our team.” Chargin added, “ I have been involved in the sport of boxing for over fifty years….never have I seen a group of people, under the leadership of Oscar De La Hoya, which so diligently executes the business plan they set out to implement a few years ago. The rise of Golden Boy Promotions will go down in the history books of boxing as the turning point in the sport. Oscar’s main focus is to bring the sport back, give it visibility and be true to the fighters and the fight fans. I am proud to be part of Golden Boy and intend to be with Oscar and his team for many years to come.” That should be a long time as Don, now 80 years young, has the energy and drive that put most of us younger folk, to shame.

Don simply loves what he does and has dedicated himself to remain focused and true to his chosen profession. Chargin humbly expounded on his successful marriage and the lifelong love of boxing that he and Lorraine have been able to share. It appears to have been his greatest job of matchmaking and most enduring promotion.

Great article, but Jerry Quarry never fought Jimmy Young.

Tom, you're on your toes tonight....

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Frank
What the hell is up with this weather? This is what it's like in New York or Chicago in the summer time. I've got the fan on in front of my face and all I'm getting is hot air. Christ ,if I wanted hot air,I'd stand in front of my wife. Dagos.

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Frank
What the hell is up with this weather? This is what it's like in New York or Chicago in the summer time. I've got the fan on in front of my face and all I'm getting is hot air. Christ ,if I wanted hot air,I'd stand in front of my wife. Dagos.

Hey dude, are you the First Dude?... ;;-) its just hot, I had the A.C. on all day long, and I had it on for days, Connie is going to have a cow when the bill comes around.

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Frank
What the hell is up with this weather? This is what it's like in New York or Chicago in the summer time. I've got the fan on in front of my face and all I'm getting is hot air. Christ ,if I wanted hot air,I'd stand in front of my wife. Dagos.

Hey dude, are you the First Dude?... ;;-) its just hot, I had the A.C. on all day long, and I had it on for days, Connie is going to have a cow when the bill comes around.

Hey Frank
I just looked at the thermometor. I live just up the hill from the bay. It's 81 degrees.

Last Sunday I took Maria to National City to buy tortillas. I waited in the car. All of a sudden I felt faint. I started to panic. I opened the car door and tried to get out of the car. I must have went out. The keys were on the ground and I'm half out of the car.

Then just like that I came around. Maria walked out of the store with the tortillas and we drove home. But I'm still trying to figure out what happened. Maybe this temperature indicates that episode of me having that spell in National City was not what I thought it was. Maybe when I woke up ,I was not in San Diego anymore. 81 degrees.

If it continues to stay hot like this,I know I'm paying for all the time I spent in the Coahuila.

[bennie]

It's freezing here in England, cold winds, heavy showers - a real taste of winter.

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It's freezing here in England, cold winds, heavy showers - a real taste of winter.

Bennie, it was 104 here a couple days ago, you should come to Sunny California where it never Rains..... 8)

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Bill Dempsey Young, Jack Mosley, Stacey White

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Joey Olmos presented Mack Kurihara
the "Joe Louis" Humanitarian Medal

[raylawpc]

Frank
What the hell is up with this weather? This is what it's like in New York or Chicago in the summer time. I've got the fan on in front of my face and all I'm getting is hot air. Christ ,if I wanted hot air,I'd stand in front of my wife. Dagos.

Hey dude, are you the First Dude?... ;;-) its just hot, I had the A.C. on all day long, and I had it on for days, Connie is going to have a cow when the bill comes around.

Hey Frank
I just looked at the thermometor. I live just up the hill from the bay. It's 81 degrees.

Last Sunday I took Maria to National City to buy tortillas. I waited in the car. All of a sudden I felt faint. I started to panic. I opened the car door and tried to get out of the car. I must have went out. The keys were on the ground and I'm half out of the car.

Then just like that I came around. Maria walked out of the store with the tortillas and we drove home. But I'm still trying to figure out what happened. Maybe this temperature indicates that episode of me having that spell in National City was not what I thought it was. Maybe when I woke up ,I was not in San Diego anymore. 81 degrees.

If it continues to stay hot like this,I know I'm paying for all the time I spent in the Coahuila.

In St. Louis, we call 81 degrees "cool, moderate weather." It all depends on your perspective, I guess.

Good news: Bob, Robin Meade's weather guy, said this morning that its supposed to get cool in California today. St. Louis has finally moved into the Fall season; it got down in the 40s last night. Last week we were in the mid-80s.

[Expug]

Guys, I was watching an mma reality show called The Ultimate Fighter last night.
Its on The Spike network.
MMA fighters living in a house,competing for a ufc contract by fighting each other .
Anyway, the boxing coach on the show is Al Stankie.Paul Gonzales former trainer.

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Guys, I was watching an mma reality show called The Ultimate Fighter last night.
Its on The Spike network.
MMA fighters living in a house,competing for a ufc contract by fighting each other .
Anyway, the boxing coach on the show is Al Stankie.Paul Gonzales former trainer.

Was he sober?