National PAL Info & Results

[actionfan]

I saw the fights at 178. The three power punchers,Pritchard, Zugic and Gumina got out boxed.Williams fought a great fight.His strength is quickness not power.He moved in and out and side to side alot.That is why he was out of gas.Scoring as he moved.He new he had to smother that big long right.And no doubt it would have caused a big problem.Gumina, fought the same as Zugic.He fought counting on the right hand to end it.Which it most surely would have if he was not so overanxious and boxed.It looked as if he bloodied his opponent"s mouth and nose but he couldn't finish him.Pritchard threw big rights at his opponent ,who moved in and out quickly to stay away from the blows.Siju outboxed his opponent using hand speed.His opponent moved in and got out quick.No big blows in this fight.Siju wasn't pushed and fought like it.The finals should be Williams and Siju.A good matchup. If they press each other, should have alot of action.No prediction.Either can win.

[boxmel]

TW wasn't acting like he had asthma. He just ran out of gas. He lost tonight on a 3/2, but I didn't get to see the bout.

I guess one of the upsets was Caffero getting RSC'd in the third round. He got hit hard enough to wobble his legs. He must have been caught just right. I didn't see the entire bout - but did see the wobbles. Another probable "upset" was Pagan's loss to Eric Fowler. Not a pretty bout - lots of holding and Pagan displayed bad sportsmanship upon losing.

Dennis - there are 4 HW and 4 SHW in the tournament. The only name I recognized was Lenroy Thompson. You'll see who the other 7 are when I post tomorrow's bout sheets.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Mel/Kolya - can you tell me if you saw any of the following bouts:

Gary Antonio Russell vs. Julio Garcia? Russell has been going to more tournaments lately even though everyone in the DC area knows that he could have won a lot over the past few years. Sounds like he's ready to make his mark on the sport at the national level.

Daquan Arnett vs. Luis Mendoza? I love to watch Daquan box and the only boxer that I know has given him trouble is Donald Anderson who is also a great boxer.

Gabino Saenz vs. Guy Robb? I met Gabino and a bunch of young boxers from Indio earlier this year and man can this guy move. I thought this would be a good bout. Was it even close?

Errol Spence vs. Steven Martinez? I was looking forward to this one two between NGG champion Martinez and Under19 Champ Spence.

[teasy24]

Barry Dennis is back, he's taking 112. But does anybody know who's at 106 lbs?

[Kolya]

Wow. I'm pretty shocked that Junior got RSC'd; especially by someone he's beaten before; and especially after how he won the night before. This is the first time I've ever heard of him being stopped; and I've seen him in some tough fights and take some good punches.

[boxmel]

DCAB - I saw Saenz-Robb, Martinez-Spence and Mendoza-Arnett - PM me and I'll give you my opinions. 8)

[boxmel]

Only one 106 bout tonight - Fabian Cervantes vs. Daniel Ybarra. It's a semi so someone got the bye. I'll look at the bracket tonight and see who it is.

I didn't see Duran's bout - but saw his rubberband legs after Emanuel hit him! Ref didn't "H" him but the doctor medically restricted him for 30 days. Kolya - when did he beat Medina? My memory's not good.

Tonights bouts will be posted on www.amateurboxing.com by noon today, California time. I'm typing them now.

[Kolya]

A few years back at PAL. And I was told they did give him an H, a 30 day; but hey. I heard about what happened; it's the first time he's been stopped though.

[teasy24]

Thanks for the info... man, there was only 3 106 lbs at the U-19's too. Somebody got a bye all the way to the finals, but that's the way it is for the little guys like us. I would say more would show up if the PAL's weren't in CAL, but the U-19's were held in KC, the middle of America, and not many showed up. Maybe it's a money thing or something.

[Dennis]

106 - I think it is more a size thing. There just aren't that many 106# open boxers in the U.S.

[boxmel]

i think there were nine 106's at the U.S. Championships this year. As Dennis said - not a lot.

[zhdamistro]

[quote="Kolya"][quote="zhdamistro"][quote][/quote]That doesn't quite sound like Thomas to gas out. Surprising. Either way; he won, which is the big thing.[quote][/quote]



THat would be news to me. I've known Thomas since we were 16 and 17 and I don't ever remember issues with asthma coming up. When I was there in February he was running on the treadmill in a surgical mask (at a good pace) to simulate high altitude.[/quote]


I was at the golden gloves final at waldorf md and i saw his coach give him some puffs off an inhaler. And just becasue he didnt look like he was having an asthma attack doesnt mean it wasnt bothering him. There are different degrees of asthma. He could have a mild case which bothers him but where he is not in danger of getting a full blown attack. Exercise enduced asthma is usually mild, and maybe he has something like that.

[boxmel]

I've had asthma all my life and I didn't notice him having a hard time breathing in the ring. Yes, he could have exercise-induced asthma; he could also have a mild case where an inhaler might be necessary only on certain occasions.

[Dennis]

TW wasn't acting like he had asthma. He just ran out of gas. He lost tonight on a 3/2, but I didn't get to see the bout.

I guess one of the upsets was Caffero getting RSC'd in the third round. He got hit hard enough to wobble his legs. He must have been caught just right. I didn't see the entire bout - but did see the wobbles. Another probable "upset" was Pagan's loss to Eric Fowler. Not a pretty bout - lots of holding and Pagan displayed bad sportsmanship upon losing.

Dennis - there are 4 HW and 4 SHW in the tournament. The only name I recognized was Lenroy Thompson. You'll see who the other 7 are when I post tomorrow's bout sheets.

Mel - Walter Burns is from Detroit and has been around for awhile. He always boxed at SHW in the past. Tavon Sol at SHW has been around in the J.O.'s and has been in the open class for maybe a year now. Danny Calhoun is from Cincy and he has been in many national tournaments since 2006 or so. He usually boxed at HW in the past, but struggled with weight at the 2008 NGG and decided to move up to SHW. Danny is a nice guy and I wish him well.

[Dennis]

Mel - the other 2 SHW I haven't heard of either - Tune and Novaria.

[Gary Digital Williams]

Tune is a member of the US Marine Corps team. He'll face Sol in the finals.

[Kolya]

I was at the golden gloves final at waldorf md and i saw his coach give him some puffs off an inhaler. And just becasue he didnt look like he was having an asthma attack doesnt mean it wasnt bothering him. There are different degrees of asthma. He could have a mild case which bothers him but where he is not in danger of getting a full blown attack. Exercise enduced asthma is usually mild, and maybe he has something like that.

We've never talked about it; but like I said, I had no idea about him having asthma. It had never come up in the past and I had never noticed him having any problems. I'll ask him next time I talk to him though. But especially before Nationals, which is at high altitude, I would have thought he would have been concerned about it if he had asthma; but all he was worried about was adjusting to the altitude quickly enough.

[Dennis]

How many people really think the altitude at CS is a major factor? I'm sure it has a slight impact, but I would guess a small difference of 5% performance difference. Now if the boxing was held up at Pike's Peak, then it would have a huge difference. The air is very thin up there.

[Kolya]

How many people really think the altitude at CS is a major factor? I'm sure it has a slight impact, but I would guess a small difference of 5% performance difference. Now if the boxing was held up at Pike's Peak, then it would have a huge difference. The air is very thin up there.

The town I live in is at about 5,000 feet and when I go back to the East Coast, I notice a difference. The same when I return to Montana, the altitude will take it out of you for a few days; even more so if you're not already adapted and don't have a higher RBC count, like people who live at high altitude. But I would think adrenaline more than makes up for not being completely adjusted to high altitude and the thinner air.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

How many people really think the altitude at CS is a major factor? I'm sure it has a slight impact, but I would guess a small difference of 5% performance difference. Now if the boxing was held up at Pike's Peak, then it would have a huge difference. The air is very thin up there.

Most of the research that I've seen shows that incorporating training or living at higher altitudes improves performance, so I would think there is a significant difference in performance if you are NOT acclimated to the altitude. CS is 6,035 above sea level and Denver is 5,280 ft above sea level. So, CS is higher elevation. I know that in football, when teams play in Denver, they felt the effects. http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/11005242. Even MLB is aware of the performance difference http://www.slate.com/id/2098854/.

However, maybe decreased performance may be a psychological results of a small physiological difference. So even if it's only small physical difference (EPO levels, Oxygen intake, etc) it may affect performance more.

Some info on wiki with links to research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of ... _on_humans

One interesting note I found was "In the athletic arena, it is thought that acclimatization from living and training at high altitudes enhances performance compared to living and training at sea level. However, this may not always be the case. Any positive acclimatization effects may be negated by a de-training effect as the athletes are usually not able to exercise with as much intensity at high altitudes compared to sea level.This conundrum led to the development of the altitude training modality known as "Live-High, Train-Low" whereby the athlete spends many hours a day resting and sleeping at one (high) altitude, but performs a significant portion of their training, possibly all of it, at another (lower) altitude. A series of studies conducted in Utah in the late '90s by researchers Ben Levine, Jim Stray-Gundersen, and others, showed significant performance gains in athletes who followed such a protocol for several weeks"

[Dennis]

I have read most of that in the past, but I think it isn't a huge difference. You might be correct that it takes more of a psychological effect.

[Dennis]

Mel - where are the results? You're killing me here. Come on it is after 8:00 in California. You are a G-ma so I know you get up at the crack of dawn. I'm sure you have had your coffee and toast already so lets have it. I'm not a patient man. Might be why I'm divorced.

[Dennis]

Mel - I keep checking your website too. How about someone else? Isn't there anyone in Oxnard that wants to be the first to tell the world about what happened at the Nat'l PAL last night?

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Mel - I keep checking your website too. How about someone else? Isn't there anyone in Oxnard that wants to be the first to tell the world about what happened at the Nat'l PAL last night?

I know. I feel like an addict refreshing the page. Oxnard PALs site says that they would be uploading video of ALL finals starting Saturday night. They did a great job last year, but I cannot find anything yet either. Last update from Wed/Thurs. Ugghh.

[CoreyWash]

i've been lookin around everywhere to get ALL the results..i do know that jamal james lost to the dude from cali..and as i said would happen, errol spence beat javontae starks in the 152 lb finals..idk about any of the scores or the results from any other fights, but i'll keep lookin/asking..