Latin American LH, who was the greatest?

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Between the Latin American light heavyweights, who was the greatest? Angel Rodriguez, Jose Carattoli, Mauro Mina? Latin America had a lot of great fighters in all the divisions. Among the LH (I see only the eight classic weight: the "juniors" or "super" or "light" are in the traditional name, as, in this question, the "super middleweights"), and I remember the bests (Victor Galindez, Miguel Angel Cuello, Jorge Ahumada, Atilio Caraune, Fulgencio Obelmejias, Amado Azar, Avenamar Peralta, Guillermo Silva, Dogomar Martinez, Walter Matteoni, Luiz Inacio, Miguel Angel Paez, Vicente Rondon, Jose Torres..., for example), and I support that, not only the "bests", but the greatest, were Angel Rodriguez, Jose Carattoli and Mauro Mina

Only one victory of each one: Angel Rodriguez knocked out the giant Luis Firpo, Jose Carattoli beat Tommy Loughran, Mauro Mina win over Bob Foster

Here is the record of this trio; who deserve your vote?



Jose Carattoli

Birth Name Domingo José Carattoli
Country Argentina
Global Id 12088
Birthplace La Plata, Buenos Aires
Division Light Heavyweight
Born 1906-09-30
Died 1973-12-13
Stance Southpaw


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1928-03-06 Fernando Adam La Plata, Argentina W PTS 10
1929-01-01 Pablo Meroz La Plata, Argentina W PTS 10
1929-10-01 Vicente Olivieri La Plata, Argentina NC NC 5
1929-12-02 Miguel Lagui La Plata, Argentina L PTS 10
1929-12-30 Luis Balladores La Plata, Argentina L PTS 10
1930-02-14 Alberto Icochea La Plata, Argentina W PTS 10
1930-02-27 Victor Avendano Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 2
1930-03-01 Augusto Viotti La Plata, Argentina W PTS 10
1930-03-10 Pablo Meroz La Plata, Argentina W KO 7
1930-04-05 Miguel Zumpano La Plata, Argentina W KO 1
1930-04-17 Vicente Olivieri Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 6
Vacant Argentine (FAB) Light Heavyweight Title
1930-06-01 Eladio Herrera La Plata, Argentina W PTS 10
1930-07-01 Eladio Herrera La Plata, Argentina W PTS 10
1930-10-04 Alec Storbeck Johannesburg, South Afric L TKO 3
1930-10-18 Don McCorkindale Johannesburg, South Afric D PTS 15
1930-11-10 Alex Torne Johannesburg, South Afric W KO 3
1930-12-01 Manuel Bastias Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 1
1931-02-01 Esteban Senestraro Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 8
1931-03-28 Esteban Senestraro Buenos Aires, Argentina W UD 12
Vacant Argentine (FAB) Light Heavyweight Title
1931-05-01 Isidoro Gastanaga La Plata, Argentina W TKO 5
1931-05-25 Domenico Ceccarelli Buenos Aires, Argentina D PTS 12
1931-06-22 Domenico Ceccarelli Buenos Aires, Argentina W PTS 10
1931-07-01 Bernardo Torrijos Buenos Aires, Argentina W PTS 12
1931-08-01 Guillermo Silva Montevideo, Uruguay L PTS 10
1931-09-01 Humberto Quinones Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 2 [/color]
1931-10-01 Tomas Miller La Plata, Argentina W KO 1
1931-10-10 Vicente Di Carlo La Plata, Argentina W KO 1
1931-11-01 Alfredo Zorzi La Plata, Argentina W KO 2
1931-11-10 Alejandro Trias La Plata, Argentina W KO 2
1931-12-01 Manuel Bastias Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 1
1931-12-10 Jack Risaneck La Plata, Argentina W TKO 2
1932-05-25 Jose Concha Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 2
1932-07-01 Juan Kelly La Plata, Argentina W KO 7
1932-09-01 Crispulo Molina La Plata, Argentina W KO 3
1932-10-01 Guillermo Silva San Miguel, Argentina W TKO 3
1932-11-01 Jose Concha La Plata, Argentina W KO 6
1932-11-10 Luis Balladores La Plata, Argentina W KO 2
1932-12-01 Erwin Klausner Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 5
1933-04-08 Esteban Senestraro Buenos Aires, Argentina D PTS 12
1933-06-03 Vicente Olivieri Buenos Aires, Argentina W PTS 12
Argentine (FAB) Light Heavyweight Title
1933-10-01 Enrique Nunez La Plata, Argentina W TKO 5
1933-11-11 Pedro Mancieri Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 3
Argentine (FAB) Light Heavyweight Title
1934-10-06 Tommy Loughran Buenos Aires, Argentina W UD 12
1934-11-24 Arturo Godoy Buenos Aires, Argentina L PTS 12
1935-02-02 Tommy Loughran Buenos Aires, Argentina D MD 12
1936-02-22 Martinez de Alfara Buenos Aires, Argentina D PTS 12

Record to Date
Won 35 (KOs 24) Lost 5 Drawn 5 Total 46



Mauro Mina

Alias El Expreso de Chincha
Birth Name Mauro Mina Baylon
Country Peru
Global Id 10845
Hometown Lima
Birthplace Chincha
Division Light Heavyweight
Born 1933-11-22
Died 1993-06-01
Stance Orthodox
Reach 74cm
Height 182cm


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1955-10-22 Manuel Vargas Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1955-11-12 Alcides Cliso Lima, Peru W TKO 8
1955-12-18 Alcides Cliso Ica, Peru W TKO 6
1956-01-21 Oscar Montes Lima, Peru W KO 3
1957-06-08 Santiago Meza Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1957-07-06 Aurelio Diaz Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1957-10-23 Luis Ignacio Sao Paulo, Brazil L PTS 10
1957-12-04 Antonio Diaz Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1958-02-02 David Bondulich Lima, Peru W TKO 3
1958-02-13 Andres Villalba Lima, Peru W KO 1
1958-05-17 Antonio Diaz Lima, Peru W PTS 12
1958-07-16 Luis Ignacio Lima, Peru D PTS 10
1958-10-11 Dogomar Martinez Montevideo, Uruguay L PTS 15
South American Light Heavyweight Title
1959-04-15 Rodolfo Luciano Diaz Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1959-05-20 Rodolfo Luciano Diaz Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1959-06-20 Carlos Paiva Lima, Peru W TKO 8
1959-07-15 Pablo Sagrispanti Lima, Peru W KO 2
1959-09-12 Wim Snoek Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1959-10-15 Artie Towne Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1959-11-20 Julio Carreras Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1959-12-02 Hugo Medina Lima, Peru W TKO 9
1960-03-15 Sugar Boy Nando Lima, Peru W KO 3
1960-05-07 Ilde Warusfel Lima, Peru W KO 1
1960-05-21 Battling Siki Lima, Peru W KO 2
1960-06-15 Gregorio Peralta Lima, Peru W KO 8
1960-07-02 Guillermo Dutschmann Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1960-08-30 Juan Carlos Comini Lima, Peru W TKO 3
1960-10-12 Humberto Loayza Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1960-11-01 Guillermo Dutschmann Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1960-12-02 Humberto Loayza Santiago de Chile, Chile D PTS 10
1961-01-01 Humberto Loayza Lima, Peru W KO 5
1961-02-15 Ulric Regis Lima, Peru W KO 3
1961-03-18 Sonny Ray Lima, Peru W KO 5
1961-04-12 Freddie Mack Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1961-07-30 Freddie Mack Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1961-08-30 Jesse Bowdry Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1961-11-15 Roque Maravilla Lima, Peru W KO 5
1961-12-07 Sixto Rodriguez Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1961-12-27 Allan Harmon Lima, Peru W KO 3
1962-02-16 Freddy Blades Lima, Peru W KO 6
1962-03-19 Sixto Rodriguez Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1962-04-14 Von Clay Lima, Peru W KO 6
1962-07-16 Lino Rendon Lima, Peru W TKO 9
1962-08-30 Norman Letcher Lima, Peru W TKO 2
1962-10-17 Eddie Cotton Lima, Peru W UD 10
1962-11-24 Henry Hank New York City, USA W SD 10
1963-01-18 Eddie Cotton Lima, Peru W UD 12
1963-09-18 Dave Russell Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1963-10-16 Leslie Smith Lima, Peru W KO 6
1963-11-07 Bob Foster Lima, Peru W UD 10
1964-02-19 Allen Thomas Lima, Peru D PTS 10
1964-05-19 Floyd McCoy Lima, Peru W TKO 7
1964-09-19 Gregorio Peralta Buenos Aires, Argentina L UD 10
1964-11-18 Hank Casey Lima, Peru W PTS 10
1965-01-09 Bobby Stininato Lima, Peru W UD 10
1965-08-11 Chuck Leslie Lima, Peru W UD 10
1965-09-10 Sonny Miles Lima, Peru W TKO 6
1965-11-11 Piero Del Papa Lima, Peru W PTS 10

Record to Date
Won 52 (KOs 25) Lost 3 Drawn 3 Total 58



Angel Rodriguez
Alias Angelito
Birth Name Ángel Daniel Rodríguez Caridad
Country Uruguay
Global Id 17389
Hometown Montevideo
Birthplace Montevideo
Division Light Heavyweight
Born 1891-07-21
Died 1974-10-10
Stance Orthodox
Height 178cm


Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1912-02-18 Valerio Souto Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 1
1912-04-01 Anibal Parada Rojas Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 9
1912-06-01 Anibal Parada Rojas Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 4
1912-08-01 Jose Contatore Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 12
1912-10-01 Battling Brown Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 2
1913-06-30 Felix Murro Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 2
1914-01-08 Fernando Priano Montevideo, Uruguay W PTS 15
1914-03-14 Jose Contatore Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 8
1914-05-02 Henry Dorney Brazil W KO 3
1914-09-25 Henry Harris Brazil W KO 3
1915-02-01 Floriano Peixoto Río de Janeiro, Brazil W KO 4
1915-03-01 Kid Jackson Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 3
1915-06-20 Anibal Parada Rojas Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 1
1915-10-30 Henri Marchand Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 9
1915-12-18 Jack Carroll Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 1
1916-02-01 Henri Marchand Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 11
1916-05-27 Jose Contatore Montevideo, Uruguay W TKO 12
Vacant Uruguayan Light Heavyweight Title
1916-08-03 Constant Le Marin Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 2
1916-10-14 Jorge Cobos Daract Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 2
1917-01-01 Jack Murray Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 6
1917-03-03 Luis Gallardo Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 1
1917-07-18 Salvador Fuenzalida Santiago de Chile, Chile W KO 3
1917-08-04 Pedro Pablo Fuentes Concepcion, Chile W KO 4
1917-08-25 Victor Adolfo Podesta Santiago de Chile, Chile W KO 4
1917-09-17 William Daly Santiago de Chile, Chile W KO 3
Vacant South American Light Heavyweight Title
1918-01-12 Luis Angel Firpo Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 1
1918-02-14 Frank Hagney Montevideo, Uruguay W PTS 10
1918-03-01 Frank Hagney Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 2
1918-04-01 Raul Ansel Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 2
1918-06-01 Fernando Priano Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 7
1918-08-01 Fernando Priano Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 3
1918-10-01 Antonio Jirsa Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 6
1918-12-01 Antonio Jirsa Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 6
1919-02-17 Arthur Manning Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 1
1919-03-06 Jose Contatore Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 8
1919-04-01 Gustavo Leneve Montevideo, Uruguay W PTS 10
1919-08-01 Jack Murray Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 3
1919-10-30 Gustavo Leneve Montevideo, Uruguay W TKO 8
1919-12-02 Andres Balsa Montevideo, Uruguay W PTS 10
1920-07-25 Andres Balsa Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 4
1921-04-01 Alberto Coleman Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 4
1921-12-09 Gunboat Smith Buenos Aires, Argentina W PTS 10
1922-07-07 Orlando Reverberi Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 4
1923-08-10 F. Haget Buenos Aires, Argentina W KO 3
1924-05-24 Joe Boykin Buenos Aires, Argentina L PTS 10
1924-06-23 Calvin Respress Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 3
1925-09-30 Alex Vida Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 6
1926-06-01 Johnston Gonzalez Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 2
1926-08-01 Johnny Cipry Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 1
1927-07-02 Carlos Scaglia Montevideo, Uruguay W KO 5

Record to Date
Won 49 (KOs 44) Lost 1 Drawn 0 Total 50

[Expug]

Thanks for the info on these fighters Martin.
I was not real familiar with Rodriguez and Carratolli until reading this post and some others you have done.
The fighters you post about deserve much recognition that is for sure.
Im most familiar with Mina , so I guess from that standpoint and the fact he beat a great fighter in Bob Foster, I will go with Mina.I have Foster as a top 3 all time LH.

[giacomino]

Of the three I'd go with Mina because I think all-in-all, he fought the tougher opposition.
However, I would be remiss if I didn't say I think Victor Galindez tops them all. No, he wasn't the prettiest fighter to watch, but he beat some good fighters on the way up and was twice champion, defending the title 10 times on the road. After winning the title, he beat Pierre Fourie (48-3) in Fourie's hometown in South Africa, beat future champion Eddie Mustafa Muhammad in Italy, twice beat always-tough Yaqui Lopez, twice beat tough American Richie Kate in the road, and after losing the title, regained it by KOing Mike Rossman. No a bad record for a fighter who I think is historically underrated

[Seamus]

I'd rate Victor Galindez as the best South American LHW of all time, though of the 3 choices I'd pick Mauro Mina.

Dogomar Martinez 49-3 and never stopped, and Avenamar Peralta would have to be high on the list.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Dear Expug, Giacomino and Seamus,

Thanks you for your kind and valuable participation! Your arguments are strongs, of course, and as usual. Please, put your votes

I thinks in a same level are Carattoli, Rodriguez, Mina, Jorge Ahumada, Victor Galindez, Dogomar Martinez, Avenamar Peralta (brother of Goyo), Guillermo Silva, Vicente Rondon and Jose Torres...

Thanks, again!

[Broncano]

My humble contribution on Mauro:

http://segundos-afuera.blogspot.com/200 ... press.html

I'm still working on the translation for the second part and some information that needs to be updated/added.

[Seamus]

Interesting that Mauro Mina never fought for a World title at LHW, but another Peruvian, Oscar Rivadeneyra, did.

[Broncano]

Interesting indeed, considering who Mina fought and beat (Foster, Cotton, Towne, Von Clay, Hank, Goyo Peralta, etc..) and the only rival of note that Rivadeneyra beat prior to facing Spinks was Jerry Celestine.

A sign of the times, I guess.


P.S: Did you know that Rivadeneyra collected his purse for his fight against Spinks just last year? almost 25 years later.

[giacomino]

Interesting indeed, considering who Mina fought and beat (Foster, Cotton, Towne, Von Clay, Hank, Goyo Peralta, etc..) and the only rival of note that Rivadeneyra beat prior to facing Spinks was Jerry Celestine.

A sign of the times, I guess.


P.S: Did you know that Rivadeneyra collected his purse for his fight against Spinks just last year? almost 25 years later.

That's ridiculous. How come?

[Broncano]

It's quite an absurd story actually. After losing the Spinks fight, Rivadeneyra travelled to Peru before collecting his purse.

When he decided to comeback to the US he found out that his visa had been cancelled because he had overstayed it. He then arranged for his wife and kids to travel to the U.S. (they still had valid visas) and she collected the $66,000 purse with a power of attorney.

What happens next? The wife files for divorce and never sends a cent to Rivadeneyra.

20 years after the fact he is granted the visa, sues the wife and gets his money plus interest.

[raylawpc]

Martin, how would you rank Victor Galindez against Rodriguez, Carattoli, and Mina?

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Martin, how would you rank Victor Galindez against Rodriguez, Carattoli, and Mina?

1 Jose Carattoli
2 Mauro Mina
3 Angel Rodriguez
4 Victor Galindez

[raylawpc]

Thanks Martin.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

The great Mauro Mina is growing!

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Dear friends,

More votes for this great trio, please!