Classic American West Coast Boxing

[Randyman]

Diego; a B & W pic. of Connie and me...C-1959

LA. Film Noir aka: Frank and Connie Baltazar.

Frank, what a classic photo.

[Randyman]

Photo and caption courtesy of Diego


Diamond Joe's wedding, 1912, Chicago

The Don of Chicago and his new wife. He was 44. My grandmother,16.

Rog, that's a nice photo. So representative of the era. Thanks for sharing it.

[kikibalt]

Randy, Posted this 2-3 pages back, don't know if you read it,


Randy, in the pic. above is Raymond and his mom Joann, Raymond is
the grandson of Manuel Teran, Joann, who is my cousin was married to
Manuel's son Raymond, I knew that Joann's married name was Teran, but
never knew who she was married too, now ain't that something?

We met and had brunch with my sister Rachel and some family.
Will post some more pics.

Wow, what a coincidence. It's a small world isn't it. Even without you telling me I can see the Teran in him. They all have the same features. I met Ray's wife years ago. Joann was his Ray's first wife. I was at the wedding reception/party, were you? Wouldn't that be something? That would have been in the early 70's. Thanks for posting that photo.

Randy

Randy, no I was not at Joann and Ray's wedding, never knew when she got married, when I found out that her married name was Teran about 10 years ago, I didn't ask her anything about it.

[kikibalt]

Randy, thanks for you comments on the photos I posted.

[kikibalt]

Another photo of uncle Louie, and below is a photo of
his dad, my grandpa Tony, grandpa was in his mid-90's in this
photo, he lived to be 104 years old.

[Dongee]

Kiki:

Esas son caras nobles. "Those are noble faces." My congratulations to you, friend.

hap navarro

[kikibalt]

Hap, thank you mucho for the kind words.

[dagosd2000]

Another photo of uncle Louie, and below is a photo of
his dad, my grandpa Tony, grandpa was in his mid-90's in this
photo, he lived to be 104 years old.

DIGNIDAD

I'm a youngster. 61. I mean I'm a youngster in Mexico. More specifically in my wife's home town of Jiquilpan. Oh here I'm washed up. Out of it. A dirty old man. I heard a young woman,who was an aspiring starlet,say that old men scared her. Imagine me scaring a young girl like that. Where she's coming from,she sees it that way. From my perspective,it's insulting. Ever be with a bunch of guys here when a pretty girl walks by?
"Man I'd do this and that and then I'd do this to her. I'd show her what it's like. The best she'd ever have."
Hey dude,who are you trying to impress? Are you trying to tell me you're a man? Or are you trying to tell me you're not gay? Whatever it is, you're trying to prove something by voicing it in front of your friends. You come off less than the man you want to represent.

Now look at Frank's uncle and his dad. Dignity personified. Clean and respected for their time on Earth. When I go to Jiquilpan they call me Don. And they call my wife Dona. It's the highrest form of respect. Sometimes they call me Maestro.

I know you've read my stories,but don't let that mislead you. A woman. Your wife or daughter. A mother, is held in my highest esteem. Woman in Mexico like to be in my presence. I flirt with them and compliment them without being out of line.It's fun. Sometimes serious,but fun.

Those pictures above represent men in their GOLDEN YEARS. You're right Hap. You can see it too. Beauty is not skin deep. However what's inside an individual comes through to the surface.

[dagosd2000]

Photo and caption courtesy of Diego


Diamond Joe's wedding, 1912, Chicago

The Don of Chicago and his new wife. He was 44. My grandmother,16.

Rog, that's a nice photo. So representative of the era. Thanks for sharing it.

My grandfather spent 50,000 dollars just on wine for that wedding. Remember that was 1912 when a Coke was a penny.

[Randyman]

Rog, I thought you might enjoy this old family photo. This was my great aunt's wedding in East Los Angeles, Boyle Heights, to be exact, circa 1934. The woman to the left of the bride is my maternal grandmother Mary. Her husband, my maternal grandfather Augustine "Augie" Osuna is fourth from the left. The rest are various great aunts and uncles from my mothers side of the family. The little girl in the front is my aunt Bea. She became the wife of Ray "Wild Red" Robles

I would appreciate it if someone would let me know if this photo actually shows up on the thread. The last time I attempted to post a photo it showed on my screen but not on the thread.

Randy

[Randyman]

Another photo of uncle Louie, and below is a photo of
his dad, my grandpa Tony, grandpa was in his mid-90's in this
photo, he lived to be 104 years old.

I have to go along with Hap and Rog, these are men with dignity. Along with that I can see the machismo in both men. Old school men. Real men. Men to emulate.

Randy

[Randyman]

Randy, thanks for you comments on the photos I posted.

You're welcome Frank.

[kikibalt]

Rog, I thought you might enjoy this old family photo. This was my great aunt's wedding in East Los Angeles, Boyle Heights, to be exact, circa 1934. The woman to the left of the bride is my maternal grandmother Mary. Her husband, my maternal grandfather Augustine "Augie" Osuna is fourth from the left. The rest are various great aunts and uncles from my mothers side of the family. The little girl in the front is my aunt Bea. She became the wife of Ray "Wild Red" Robles

I would appreciate it if someone would let me know if this photo actually shows up on the thread. The last time I attempted to post a photo it showed on my screen but not on the thread.

Randy

Its up Randy, great photo,

[kikibalt]

My brother in-law, Danny, my late sister, Mary Ellen, Connie and me
News year's eve, 1963, at the Comet Nite Club,
Norwalk Bl., Los Nietos, Ca.

[kikibalt]

Eduardo Lausse vs Milo Savage

[kikibalt]

Eduardo Lausse vs Wilfe Greaves

[kikibalt]

Danny "Little Red" Lopez


"Lil Red"

By Diego

[kikibalt]

Larry Holmes


"Larry"

By Diego

[kikibalt]

It is my understanding that the Primo Carnera movie "Carnera" was released earlier in the year, has anyone seen it or know anything about it; worth tracking down for a look?
Bobbin & Weavin

[bennie]

Larry Holmes


"Larry"

By Diego

I always liked Larry as a fighter. His recuperative powers were something else.

[kikibalt]

Freddie Roach to the Rescue: Can He Save Amir Khan’s Career and Make Him a Star Like Manny Pacquiao?
By Gene Ramirez
Ringside Report

Sometimes a KO loss can mean the end of a career for fighters. Sure in some cases a boxer can put that loss behind them and move on to have a decent and in some cases a very spectacular career. More often than not however after a brutal KO, some fighters are never quite the same. The skills may still be there, the speed, the power, the stamina still all in tact. But the one thing that changes, the one thing that it is most difficult to regain, is the confidence.

When a fighter steps in the ring one of the most important tools they must come equipped with is confidence. You can step into the ring with the strength to knock out anyone, the reflexes to dodge any punch, but without the confidence in your abilities, in yourself, you might as well not step into the squared circle at all.

Amir Khan, 18-1, 14 KO’s, now must face that very problem as he is coming off his first loss. A brutal 1st round KO by Breidis Prescott, 20-0, 18 KO’s.

Going into this fight Khan had been seen by many in the sport as a prospect on the rise. He had been named ESPN.com’s Prospect of The Year in 2007 and was on his way to cracking the top ten in the lightweight division. It seemed that the UK native was on the fast track to stardom before the derailment by Prescott.

There were some people before the Prescott who wondered why Khan was being matched up against a hard hitting Columbian. Khan had already been criticized for having a weak chin. He had been down in previous fights and this was seen as his most glaring vulnerability. It did not take long for Prescott to start landing and early in the first round Khan was down. He did manage to get back up but was on shaky legs as he ate another few punches before being dropped again.

In the wake of the disaster that was Khan’s last fight he has decided to move on to a new trainer. His choice: The Boxing Writer’s Association of America’s 2006 “Trainer of the Year,” Freddie Roach.

Roach has become the new “hot” trainer that seemingly everyone is looking to work with. He has worked with a list of “who’s who” in the sport including; Mike Tyson, James Toney, Michael Moorer, Wayne McCullough, Israel Vazquez, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao. Now that is quite an impressive list!

But can the hiring of the famed trainer be enough to “right the track” for Amir Khan? One common saying in boxing is that a guy “doesn’t know how to lose.” Meaning that since he is undefeated, he has that psychological advantage because he just never has lost before. Well Khan doesn’t have that luxury anymore. The question for Khan now is can he forget how to lose?

Freddie Roach has guided some of the best fighters in the world but this may be a tough challenge for even him. I think that the first step for Khan would be to get back into the win column to start to rebuild that confidence. After the loss to Prescott, Khan was quoted as saying he would love an immediate rematch which I think would be absolutely the wrong move. I don’t blame Khan for saying that because when someone asks you the question of if you want a rematch it is the natural reaction of a fighter to want to avenge his loss.

If he were to fight Prescott again you would have to believe he would be at a disadvantage psychologically. Granted if Khan could beat Prescott and especially in grand fashion it could help to get him back to where he was before the loss. I just think that the risk far outweighs the reward in that situation.

Personally, I would say there are only a handful of trainers in the same league as Roach right now but as the trainer he can only do so much. Roach is a tactical guy and he can teach a guy what to do in the ring. He can push him in the gym and challenge him to bring out the best in himself. The only thing that Roach can’t do is turn back time and erase that KO.

It will be up to Khan to get passed that defeat and move on. There have been fighters who have been able to move on after a knock out loss but does Khan have the mental strength to get passed it?

I can’t speak to the mental toughness of Khan but watching him fight he has a style that depends a lot on his speed. Well what happens if Khan finds himself thinking in the ring rather than reacting? That is when fighters get caught and go down.

Khan’s image was definitely damaged with his first loss but it his psyche that may have been damaged most. I think that he is a fighter with tremendous skill and someone who can be competitive with most in his division in the future but after his chin has truly been exposed as weak I doubt he will he ever fulfill the expectations many had of him.

I do believe he can still become a pretty good fighter and by hiring Roach as his trainer it was a good first step on the road to success. I think that working with Roach will help with his defense. I am sure Roach will have Khan back in the win column soon and he will no doubt be a better fighter in the long run working with Freddie.

But that is where the story will end with Khan. He may become a player in the division and it may take him longer than was originally planned but I don’t see him becoming anything more than just a solid B fighter. Even if Roach is able to rebuild Khan’s confidence and get his mind back to where he was before the KO I his chin still remains suspect. His defense may improve but everyone now knows that if they can land a big punch he can be hurt.

I think that teaming up with Roach was a good game plan for Amir Khan. Roach will make him a better fighter but I don’t believe he will ever make it to the top.

[bennie]

Freddie Roach to the Rescue: Can He Save Amir Khan’s Career and Make Him a Star Like Manny Pacquiao?
By Gene Ramirez
Ringside Report

Sometimes a KO loss can mean the end of a career for fighters. Sure in some cases a boxer can put that loss behind them and move on to have a decent and in some cases a very spectacular career. More often than not however after a brutal KO, some fighters are never quite the same. The skills may still be there, the speed, the power, the stamina still all in tact. But the one thing that changes, the one thing that it is most difficult to regain, is the confidence.

When a fighter steps in the ring one of the most important tools they must come equipped with is confidence. You can step into the ring with the strength to knock out anyone, the reflexes to dodge any punch, but without the confidence in your abilities, in yourself, you might as well not step into the squared circle at all.

Amir Khan, 18-1, 14 KO’s, now must face that very problem as he is coming off his first loss. A brutal 1st round KO by Breidis Prescott, 20-0, 18 KO’s.

Going into this fight Khan had been seen by many in the sport as a prospect on the rise. He had been named ESPN.com’s Prospect of The Year in 2007 and was on his way to cracking the top ten in the lightweight division. It seemed that the UK native was on the fast track to stardom before the derailment by Prescott.

There were some people before the Prescott who wondered why Khan was being matched up against a hard hitting Columbian. Khan had already been criticized for having a weak chin. He had been down in previous fights and this was seen as his most glaring vulnerability. It did not take long for Prescott to start landing and early in the first round Khan was down. He did manage to get back up but was on shaky legs as he ate another few punches before being dropped again.

In the wake of the disaster that was Khan’s last fight he has decided to move on to a new trainer. His choice: The Boxing Writer’s Association of America’s 2006 “Trainer of the Year,” Freddie Roach.

Roach has become the new “hot” trainer that seemingly everyone is looking to work with. He has worked with a list of “who’s who” in the sport including; Mike Tyson, James Toney, Michael Moorer, Wayne McCullough, Israel Vazquez, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao. Now that is quite an impressive list!

But can the hiring of the famed trainer be enough to “right the track” for Amir Khan? One common saying in boxing is that a guy “doesn’t know how to lose.” Meaning that since he is undefeated, he has that psychological advantage because he just never has lost before. Well Khan doesn’t have that luxury anymore. The question for Khan now is can he forget how to lose?

Freddie Roach has guided some of the best fighters in the world but this may be a tough challenge for even him. I think that the first step for Khan would be to get back into the win column to start to rebuild that confidence. After the loss to Prescott, Khan was quoted as saying he would love an immediate rematch which I think would be absolutely the wrong move. I don’t blame Khan for saying that because when someone asks you the question of if you want a rematch it is the natural reaction of a fighter to want to avenge his loss.

If he were to fight Prescott again you would have to believe he would be at a disadvantage psychologically. Granted if Khan could beat Prescott and especially in grand fashion it could help to get him back to where he was before the loss. I just think that the risk far outweighs the reward in that situation.

Personally, I would say there are only a handful of trainers in the same league as Roach right now but as the trainer he can only do so much. Roach is a tactical guy and he can teach a guy what to do in the ring. He can push him in the gym and challenge him to bring out the best in himself. The only thing that Roach can’t do is turn back time and erase that KO.

It will be up to Khan to get passed that defeat and move on. There have been fighters who have been able to move on after a knock out loss but does Khan have the mental strength to get passed it?

I can’t speak to the mental toughness of Khan but watching him fight he has a style that depends a lot on his speed. Well what happens if Khan finds himself thinking in the ring rather than reacting? That is when fighters get caught and go down.

Khan’s image was definitely damaged with his first loss but it his psyche that may have been damaged most. I think that he is a fighter with tremendous skill and someone who can be competitive with most in his division in the future but after his chin has truly been exposed as weak I doubt he will he ever fulfill the expectations many had of him.

I do believe he can still become a pretty good fighter and by hiring Roach as his trainer it was a good first step on the road to success. I think that working with Roach will help with his defense. I am sure Roach will have Khan back in the win column soon and he will no doubt be a better fighter in the long run working with Freddie.

But that is where the story will end with Khan. He may become a player in the division and it may take him longer than was originally planned but I don’t see him becoming anything more than just a solid B fighter. Even if Roach is able to rebuild Khan’s confidence and get his mind back to where he was before the KO I his chin still remains suspect. His defense may improve but everyone now knows that if they can land a big punch he can be hurt.

I think that teaming up with Roach was a good game plan for Amir Khan. Roach will make him a better fighter but I don’t believe he will ever make it to the top.

Good little article. I don't think Audley Harrison has any confidence in his chin, and he fights 'scared', and now you wonder about Khan's mindset.

[raylawpc]

It is my understanding that the Primo Carnera movie "Carnera" was released earlier in the year, has anyone seen it or know anything about it; worth tracking down for a look?
Bobbin & Weavin

Bruce, it had a limited release in April:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0928124/releaseinfo

[Randyman]

This is my uncle Gilbert Salazar De La O. He fought as an amateur in the 1940's. He also fought in the Army winning a featherweight title of some type while in Germany. He is now retired and living in Arizona. One of many fighters in my family. I believe this photo was taken somewhere in east Los Angeles.

[kikibalt]

Randy, you need to resize your photo after you scan it.