Kell Brook

[Pugilist-specialist]

You claim that Ingle fighters don't know the basics of boxing and get found out at certain levels.

Hamed was an unbeaten world champion and Nelson retired having been an unbeaten world champion for 5 years

[Gazmac81]

jackthehat
Naz didn't get found out with the Ingles - he was undefeated with them

Gazmac81
To call Facey a journeyman is harsh when he's been English champion for years

yea didnt mean Facey as Journeyman ,more mediocre fighters

[twenty six]

Jack,
So this gym in Sheffield is / has been full of fighters who don't know the basics of boxing.
Name me another gym in the UK that has been more successful from 1988 to 2006.
In fact work it on a points basis.
3 for a World Champ.
2 for a European.
1 for British.
0.5 for English.
With respect, that statement that you've made means I can ask you - what do you know about boxing ? Look at yourself, before questioning Pugilist.
Or maybe it's a bit of jealousy - you being from Manchester !

[Gray-Fox]

Before Herol Graham went to the Ingles, they all used to box with their hands up. After they all started switching on the lines and started to box with their hands down. They dont know the basics of boxing which is why Witter lost to Bradley who was nothin special but just a strong boxer who stuck to his game plan and didnt get intimidated by the style. They dont work on defence, upper body movement, blocking, parrying, blocking and countering all these things most english boxers dont work on in general

True. And I'm speaking with more experience than most.

[big lennox]

Jack,

I get the impression that you just don't like the Ingle style of boxing.Fair enough -it's not for everyone, but its very easy to find a negative link to anything.The fact that champion after champion, decade after decade keep on coming through is remarkable and if you chose to look past that, then that is up to you, but unfortunately it does give one the impression that you haven't got the foggiest idea what you are talking about and are writing from a negative viewpoint rather than with a considered and rational opinion.

Importantly, have a look at most of the faces of the boxers at Brendan's gym, from the ones who havn't quite made it to the ones who have been at the very top, and then compare them with those from other gyms and tell me who are the finer exponents of the art of boxing i.e to hit and not get hit.

[twenty six]

Jack,
The location in your profile says Manchester so assumed you were from there.
I respect your CV seriously and I'm now intrigued trying to work out who you are.
So which way would you have it ? The most successful in the UK based on certain principals, or traditional, but no titles ?
You have also made dangerous asumptions that the Ingles replicate the work for each and every boxer.
That's a myth.
I've spent hours down there as a casual observer.
Yes, there are traditions and processes that apply to everyone, but believe you me, work is put in with boxers on an individual basis and that caters to specific needs of that boxer, and specific needs subject to the opponent on the lead up to fights.
Interesting you mention Buster - you're right not exactly a defence built on reactions is it ? I can say that and get away with it, because we're good mates and sort of related.
Each to their own.
However if you were a businessman and had a product that worked, and made money, would you change it to satisfy the whims of others then make a loss ?

[Pugilist-specialist]

jackthehat
So the Ingles don't teach the basics of boxing and it doesn't sound like you think that Enzo Calzaghe does.
Are there any gyms in the UK that reach your lofty standards ?

[Counter-puncher]

I can agree with both sides of this, in no particular order:

I've always felt a similarly-talented orthodox fighter would beat an Ingle fighter all other things being equal (which they never are but lets forget that) and that sometimes its a style that lends itself better to beating slightly overmatched domestic/euro opposition than true world class. for me to an extent fundamentals are fundamentals for a good reason and you depart from them at your peril- unless you are a freakish talent

i agree though, also, that in some cases and nelson is an excellent example, i agree (i think with 26) that he probably OVERachieved through the Ingle style

agree that it was Witter's relative lack fitness/ stamina relative to Bradley that mean Bradley won that fight

btw IMo the lack of a consistent jab is the most glaring defect in a lot of Ingle fighters

agree it was Graham who 'created' the 'Ingle style' not vice-versa

agree that the footwork is actually the key to the Style and that watching a really good Ingle fighter live- or even moderatley good ones like Amar or Siddique- is truly an education into a unique and very pleasing style.

Big Len's point about the faces of Ingle fighters- and general lack of scar tissue next to 'typical pros' speaks volumes for the style's defensive efficiency

Jackthehat i agree with some of what you are saying- (like Naz's power got him out of trouble. but you could actually say naz's problem wasn't the Style, but the fact he gave up on training and his stamina got terrible and his attitude even worse... again IMO the Style isn't to blame for that ;;-) but it sounds a bit like you're a bit of an outraged purist with your views on the ingles and british trainers/gyms in general. not that thats a bad thing I'm just saying...

i would say (1) on success and (2) for adding something different and unique to the british boxing scene for decades now, the ingle gym has been a positive force overall. 8)